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morrowslant: It was an aristocrat's manifesto when it was written and the language was specifically that of an aristocrat declaring the game was not going to be designed to appeal to the masses. Only fans of the genre.
This absolutely cracked me up.
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dgnfly: Your point is? other than posting this and seeming more butthurt because of what he said? Where is the part where he was asked by GOG to release it and then when he was willing they rejected him? OR are you so stuck up on a man's word in the past, Maybe your that shallow or narrow-minded but I couldn't give an ass about what he said other than he was willing to release it here and GOG after long waiting for the release screwed him over by rejecting him.

And if you Cleve Blakemore words were harsh and that triggered you that wouldn't explain all the other rejected games.
Where was the butthurt in my statement?
I've repeatedly said in this thread I'd buy Grimoire ASAP once it got a updated manual that covered the Version 2.0 changes.....so far that hasn't happened.

Find the Blakemore "iron clad guarantee/game never discounted" promise being backed down upon/game massively entertaining slash interesting because I never found or read the followup statement Cleve made about that promise going away/why he did so. Send me the link to it so I can read it.

All I've seen in the RPGCodex Grimoire_GOG_rejection thread was Cleve walking back claims he made about the amount of contacts between him and whatever person he was talking with at GOG. First Cleve said it was the GOG rep emailing him constantly, then it was "every week", then Cleve said the last GOG contact prior to the GOG submission/rejection of Grimoire happened "a couple of months ago".


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morrowslant: It was an aristocrat's manifesto when it was written and the language was specifically that of an aristocrat declaring the game was not going to be designed to appeal to the masses. Only fans of the genre.
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SirPrimalform: This absolutely cracked me up.
Me too, because that's way more beautiful than anything I've written, and who requoted me/made that deserves a book contract.
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dgnfly: Your point is? other than posting this and seeming more butthurt because of what he said? Where is the part where he was asked by GOG to release it and then when he was willing they rejected him? OR are you so stuck up on a man's word in the past, Maybe your that shallow or narrow-minded but I couldn't give an ass about what he said other than he was willing to release it here and GOG after long waiting for the release screwed him over by rejecting him.

And if you Cleve Blakemore words were harsh and that triggered you that wouldn't explain all the other rejected games.
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RWarehall: Did it ever occur to you that GoG WAS interested, but then Cleve released it on Steam exclusively. A year and a half of poor sales (and poor reviews) later, he finally offers it to GoG.

It's like taking an offer for a house, declining it, then going back 2 years later and complaining the person won't buy your house for the same price even though you've found out it needs a new roof.

No one screwed Cleve over but himself.
Can we get some evidence instead of your speculation?
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dgnfly: As long as GOG is run by SJW
* rolleyes * And of course Steam is run by samaritans .
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dgnfly: Your point is? other than posting this and seeming more butthurt because of what he said? Where is the part where he was asked by GOG to release it and then when he was willing they rejected him? OR are you so stuck up on a man's word in the past, Maybe your that shallow or narrow-minded but I couldn't give an ass about what he said other than he was willing to release it here and GOG after long waiting for the release screwed him over by rejecting him.

And if you Cleve Blakemore words were harsh and that triggered you that wouldn't explain all the other rejected games.
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morrowslant: Where was the butthurt in my statement?
I've repeatedly said in this thread I'd buy Grimoire ASAP once it got a updated manual that covered the Version 2.0 changes.....so far that hasn't happened.

Find the Blakemore "iron clad guarantee/game never discounted" promise being backed down upon/game massively entertaining slash interesting because I never found or read the followup statement Cleve made about that promise going away/why he did so. Send me the link to it so I can read it.

All I've seen in the RPGCodex Grimoire_GOG_rejection thread was Cleve walking back claims he made about the amount of contacts between him and whatever person he was talking with at GOG. First Cleve said it was the GOG rep emailing him constantly, then it was "every week", then Cleve said the last GOG contact prior to the GOG submission/rejection of Grimoire happened "a couple of months ago".

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SirPrimalform: This absolutely cracked me up.
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morrowslant: Me too, because that's way more beautiful than anything I've written, and who requoted me/made that deserves a book contract.
Sorry but if he was lying GOG could have just called him out, Considering GOG has not made any other statement about it and has refused many more with the excuse of it being ''Too Niche'' for their platform I would side with his side of the story unless GOG makes an actual statement to counter it. Also, does it matter how frequently he had contact with the GOG employee the whole problem is GOG rejecting the game in the first place with no actual explanation?

I like how you demand he shows proof but I don't see GOG making any clear statement why they reject certain games but allowed other garbage games other than personal bias based curators.
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dgnfly: Can we get some evidence instead of your speculation?
What "evidence" do you need? Cleve himself claimed GoG kept pestering him about getting the game. But then rejected him when he finally offered it to them one and a half years after it had been on Steam. Data from SteamSpy, the user ratings on Steam, the low number of reviews on Steam as well as a simple search for Grimoire on Youtube will tell you how poorly received this game was.
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dgnfly: As long as GOG is run by SJW
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i_hope_you_rot: * rolleyes * And of course Steam is run by samaritans .
Steam has no curation so regardless of them being run by SJW that won't stop them from releasing certain games.
It's GOG that won't even allow normal games, Only games steam has refused to sell are the VN that depict anime characters as children.
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dgnfly: Can we get some evidence instead of your speculation?
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RWarehall: What "evidence" do you need? Cleve himself claimed GoG kept pestering him about getting the game. But then rejected him when he finally offered it to them one and a half years after it had been on Steam. Data from SteamSpy, the user ratings on Steam, the low number of reviews on Steam as well as a simple search for Grimoire on Youtube will tell you how poorly received this game was.
Dumbass are you forgetting that GOG also refused games that have positive reviews so the sales parts hardly matters, Even if he suddenly changed his mind because of sales that don't make it ok on GOG to refuse him afterward with the trademark ''Too Niche'' Also, Youtube will tell me how bad the game is? I wouldn't take Youtube users word on anything like I don't care what a bunch of Gaming journalist say about a game I decide for myself I don't need others to tell me what is or isn't good. Even if Cleve suddenly wanted more money it still doesn't excuse GOG from rejecting it with the generic ''Too Niche''

Next, you'll be making the excuse that all those other Devs that got Rejected were Nazi's or had some vendetta against GOG or were just bitter. The simple thing is GOG could just accept it and let people decide for themselves yet they didn't or they could have even given an actual reason for rejection but they seem to refuse and just give the same Generic response each time.
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dgnfly: Can we get some evidence instead of your speculation?
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RWarehall: What "evidence" do you need? Cleve himself claimed GoG kept pestering him about getting the game. But then rejected him when he finally offered it to them one and a half years after it had been on Steam. Data from SteamSpy, the user ratings on Steam, the low number of reviews on Steam as well as a simple search for Grimoire on Youtube will tell you how poorly received this game was.
It would seem GOG was more interested in the game prior to it being released into the wild and doing poorly. That's understandable.

At the same time it's curious -- with some low-performing games on GOG -- that GOG didn't take a chance. Maybe too many bugs? Maybe Cleve's personality? Maybe simply a combination of all the above?

If it was simply a case of Cleve's personality, that would be sad. There are plenty of difficult, egoist, "nut jobs" in gaming who have made quite enjoyable games. Sure, I'd never want to meet them, share a drink, or invite them to dinner, but their games are good (sometimes brilliant)... and that's what I look for.

With all of this said... "too niche" is definitely too vague to add any meaning to the rejection -- for either the creator or the audience.
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dgnfly: Stupid unintelligent bs...
I stated facts and you spout off unrelated bullshit...
Who is the one being a "dumbass"?

Let me put to to you simply...
Why the heck would GoG accept a year and a half old game that is selling terribly and is getting reviewed very poorly?

As it goes for about 80% or more of GoG's rejections, they make perfect sense and are obvious rejections. If they are positively reviewed, they are usually coming from studios that just are not very popular and don't sell many games...look at their past games and one can predict the sales potential.

Every time I see one of those stupid rejection threads and look at the games and studios, I roll my eyes at how stupid people are to think these games deserve to be accepted.

The last two I saw posted were coming from devs whose games are selling for $1.99 to $3.99 on Steam and gets discounted frequently to the minimum of $0.49...but it's "positively reviewed"...that is not enough to accept a low budget game from studios who use stock assets...

The Steam reviews for Grimoire are terrible. They were terrible on release and they are still terrible even after updates. The number of reviews and peak concurrent players are similarly terrible. Everything about Grimoire says this game has terrible sales potential. It's review score percent puts it in the bottom third of games on Steam in with all the asset flips and other shovelware...

This has nothing to do with "SJWs" or "Nazis" or anything else, it has to do with a bad game, which has poor sales...
The fact the dev has paranoid fantasies of persecution and is a PR disaster is just icing on the cake...
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morrowslant: Where was the butthurt in my statement?
I've repeatedly said in this thread I'd buy Grimoire ASAP once it got a updated manual that covered the Version 2.0 changes.....so far that hasn't happened.

Find the Blakemore "iron clad guarantee/game never discounted" promise being backed down upon/game massively entertaining slash interesting because I never found or read the followup statement Cleve made about that promise going away/why he did so. Send me the link to it so I can read it.

All I've seen in the RPGCodex Grimoire_GOG_rejection thread was Cleve walking back claims he made about the amount of contacts between him and whatever person he was talking with at GOG. First Cleve said it was the GOG rep emailing him constantly, then it was "every week", then Cleve said the last GOG contact prior to the GOG submission/rejection of Grimoire happened "a couple of months ago".

Me too, because that's way more beautiful than anything I've written, and who requoted me/made that deserves a book contract.
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dgnfly: Sorry but if he was lying GOG could have just called him out, Considering GOG has not made any other statement about it and has refused many more with the excuse of it being ''Too Niche'' for their platform I would side with his side of the story unless GOG makes an actual statement to counter it. Also, does it matter how frequently he had contact with the GOG employee the whole problem is GOG rejecting the game in the first place with no actual explanation?

I like how you demand he shows proof but I don't see GOG making any clear statement why they reject certain games but allowed other garbage games other than personal bias based curators.
Calm down, walk around away from the internet for a bit, nobody appears to getting supermad and moving the goalposts, narrative wise, in this thread except for you.

People in the RPGCODEX THREAD WERE DEMANDING PROOF FROM CLEVE, all I asked of you (in this thread) was to repost links to any Cleve Blakemore's statements about Grimoire getting permanently reduced pricing....because I was curious/haven't been able to find them myself.
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dgnfly: Stupid unintelligent bs...
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RWarehall: I stated facts and you spout off unrelated bullshit...
Who is the one being a "dumbass"?

Let me put to to you simply...
Why the heck would GoG accept a year and a half old game that is selling terribly and is getting reviewed very poorly?

As it goes for about 80% or more of GoG's rejections, they make perfect sense and are obvious rejections. If they are positively reviewed, they are usually coming from studios that just are not very popular and don't sell many games...look at their past games and one can predict the sales potential.

Every time I see one of those stupid rejection threads and look at the games and studios, I roll my eyes at how stupid people are to think these games deserve to be accepted.

The last two I saw posted were coming from devs whose games are selling for $1.99 to $3.99 on Steam and gets discounted frequently to the minimum of $0.49...but it's "positively reviewed"...that is not enough to accept a low budget game from studios who use stock assets...

The Steam reviews for Grimoire are terrible. They were terrible on release and they are still terrible even after updates. The number of reviews and peak concurrent players are similarly terrible. Everything about Grimoire says this game has terrible sales potential. It's review score percent puts it in the bottom third of games on Steam in with all the asset flips and other shovelware...

This has nothing to do with "SJWs" or "Nazis" or anything else, it has to do with a bad game, which has poor sales...
The fact the dev has paranoid fantasies of persecution and is a PR disaster is just icing on the cake...
Your SO called facts sound more your personal opinion than real evidence you're just deducting that's the reason that still doesn't prove it. You seem more butthurt about the fact of what he said or what kinda person he is with your excuse being the game is shit so that's proof enough.

Seeing as your new comment is nothing more than excusing GOG rejection it shows your nothing more than a GOG fanboy than care about a game getting released in the first place. Maybe you think the game is shit but not everybody has that simple-minded view like you and take reviews at hart. Also, you making excuses for GOG sure gives you lack of credibility.
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dgnfly: Sorry but if he was lying GOG could have just called him out, Considering GOG has not made any other statement about it and has refused many more with the excuse of it being ''Too Niche'' for their platform I would side with his side of the story unless GOG makes an actual statement to counter it. Also, does it matter how frequently he had contact with the GOG employee the whole problem is GOG rejecting the game in the first place with no actual explanation?

I like how you demand he shows proof but I don't see GOG making any clear statement why they reject certain games but allowed other garbage games other than personal bias based curators.
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morrowslant: Calm down, walk around away from the internet for a bit, nobody appears to getting supermad and moving the goalposts, narrative wise, in this thread except for you.

People in the RPGCODEX THREAD WERE DEMANDING PROOF FROM CLEVE, all I asked of you (in this thread) was to repost links to any Cleve Blakemore's statements about Grimoire getting permanently reduced pricing....because I was curious/haven't been able to find them myself.
I like how you think I'm mad but I'm not, Your bullshit statement has nothing to actually do with the fact of getting the game released here. it's just another one of those people who wanna make an excuse for GOG cause they most likely don't like the guy. And like I said where is GOG rebuttal then? how come if he is lying where is GOG defending their stance? You seem to want him to show proof but sure as hell take GOG's word on things without actually statements.

You people seem more butthurt by the fact that I'm trying to call out GOG as an SJW company for the fact they reject games on personal bias, Cause that sure seems to be the way their curation works.

Considering you asked for that while he didn't divulge anymore can I then ask of you to show me the real reason GOG rejected it? Instead of the ''Too Niche'' excuse cause that seems to more of an excuse or explanation. Considering you ask me to find a statement from a man that he didn't divulge nor did GOG ever show the actual reason for rejection instead of the generic reply. So please considering you making excuses for GOG please show me the real reason the game was rejected with a statement from GOG. Now I'm asking you for proof please show it.

Also, YOur main post was nothing but a load of garbage cause all your trying to do is make the man look bad for not wanting to reduce the price of the game. you seem to have something against the man cause this has nothing to do with the release of the game here.

So, please... You seem to be willing to believe GOG side instead of his so there must be proof there also, So please show it to me considering you keen to make Cleve seem like the con-man without any more proof or that the fault is his.
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morrowslant: Calm down, walk around away from the internet for a bit, nobody appears to getting supermad and moving the goalposts, narrative wise, in this thread except for you.

People in the RPGCODEX THREAD WERE DEMANDING PROOF FROM CLEVE, all I asked of you (in this thread) was to repost links to any Cleve Blakemore's statements about Grimoire getting permanently reduced pricing....because I was curious/haven't been able to find them myself.
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dgnfly: I like how you think I'm mad but I'm not, Your bullshit statement has nothing to actually do with the fact of getting the game released here. it's just another one of those people who wanna make an excuse for GOG cause they most likely don't like the guy. And like I said where is GOG rebuttal then? how come if he is lying where is GOG defending their stance? You seem to want him to show proof but sure as hell take GOG's word on things without actually statements.

You people seem more butthurt by the fact that I'm trying to call out GOG as an SJW company for the fact they reject games on personal bias, Cause that sure seems to be the way their curation works.

Considering you asked for that while he didn't divulge anymore can I then ask of you to show me the real reason GOG rejected it? Instead of the ''Too Niche'' excuse cause that seems to more of an excuse or explanation. Considering you ask me to find a statement from a man that he didn't divulge nor did GOG ever show the actual reason for rejection instead of the generic reply. So please considering you making excuses for GOG please show me the real reason the game was rejected with a statement from GOG. Now I'm asking you for proof please show it.

Also, YOur main post was nothing but a load of garbage cause all your trying to do is make the man look bad for not wanting to reduce the price of the game. you seem to have something against the man cause this has nothing to do with the release of the game here.

So, please... You seem to be willing to believe GOG side instead of his so there must be proof there also, So please show it to me considering you keen to make Cleve seem like the con-man without any more proof or that the fault is his.
So when you *do* get mad, you're an even bigger arsehole than you've already demonstrated? lol

Do yourself a favor and STFU. :o
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dgnfly: I like how you think I'm mad but I'm not, Your bullshit statement has nothing to actually do with the fact of getting the game released here. it's just another one of those people who wanna make an excuse for GOG cause they most likely don't like the guy. And like I said where is GOG rebuttal then? how come if he is lying where is GOG defending their stance? You seem to want him to show proof but sure as hell take GOG's word on things without actually statements.

You people seem more butthurt by the fact that I'm trying to call out GOG as an SJW company for the fact they reject games on personal bias, Cause that sure seems to be the way their curation works.

Considering you asked for that while he didn't divulge anymore can I then ask of you to show me the real reason GOG rejected it? Instead of the ''Too Niche'' excuse cause that seems to more of an excuse or explanation. Considering you ask me to find a statement from a man that he didn't divulge nor did GOG ever show the actual reason for rejection instead of the generic reply. So please considering you making excuses for GOG please show me the real reason the game was rejected with a statement from GOG. Now I'm asking you for proof please show it.

Also, YOur main post was nothing but a load of garbage cause all your trying to do is make the man look bad for not wanting to reduce the price of the game. you seem to have something against the man cause this has nothing to do with the release of the game here.

So, please... You seem to be willing to believe GOG side instead of his so there must be proof there also, So please show it to me considering you keen to make Cleve seem like the con-man without any more proof or that the fault is his.
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richlind33: So when you *do* get mad, you're an even bigger arsehole than you've already demonstrated? lol

Do yourself a favor and STFU. :o
Why? cause you don't like what I have to say? Grow a pair and STFÜ yourself if you don't like it you don't have to comment so grow up!!
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richlind33: So when you *do* get mad, you're an even bigger arsehole than you've already demonstrated? lol

Do yourself a favor and STFU. :o
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dgnfly: Why? cause you don't like what I have to say? Grow a pair and STFÜ yourself if you don't like it you don't have to comment so grow up!!
But you're not mad, right? lol