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mchack: Summary of Concerns
• Balance: 6 Catholics vs 3 Reformers might still favor Catholics due to the heavy information flow and the gradual creation of a large, confirmed “town voice.”
• Length and Complexity: The unanimous decision and stumplification mechanic might drag the game out.
• Inertia: Lack of night kills or other forced change could lead to stalemates or slow progress.
• Roles: If introduced, roles should be subtle and not disrupt the core mechanic of investigate-to-confirm identities. A Messenger role seems harmless enough, but might not fix any core issues.

Potential Tweaks:
• Consider a smaller player list or a different ratio to give Reformers a better chance. Perhaps 5 Catholics vs 3 Reformers might be more tense.
• Allow for a timed mechanic (like after X number of investigations, a forced decision must be reached) to avoid endless stalemates.
• Keep roles minimal or purely communicative, so as not to derail the delicate balance.

In conclusion, the concept is intriguing and creative, but the main risks are prolonged stalemates, a tilt in balance towards the Catholics due to easier accumulation of trustworthy stumps, and potential for player fatigue. If you move forward, consider careful adjustment of the ratio, or introduce a small mechanism to ensure the game progresses toward a conclusion.
Thank you for having ChatGPT analyze this. Especially the balancing input is interestind. I think we should still go with 7 vs 3, instead of 6 vs 4 (we have 10 players now). 6 vs 4 seems to heavily in the Reformers favor.

However, the stalemate and dragging on concern is a valid one. Perhaps we should use Investigation deadlines. How about one of these:
1. if at a set deadline no majority for an Investigation is reached, a random player is investigated
2. if at a set deadline no majority is reached, the Reformers get to decide who is investigated in their secret chat. This would give the Reformers faction more power. It would lead to an increased incentive to vote for the Catholics, but it would also be an incentive to the Reformers to generate Stalemates (which, in turn, might give them awas). In any case it would change dynamics.
3. if at a set deadline no absolute majority is reached, a simple majority suffices. I.e. the players with the highest number of investigation votes on them are investigated, even it the number doesn't amount to more than half the remaining voters. - This has the lowest impact on the game balance, I think, but it allows the Reformers to win on inactivity as long as the leading number of investigation votes is on a Town player.

What do you think? What kind of deadline do you want?
I think I like the second option best, since it would give back scum the kill feature in a way :) I mean how can one be an evil reformer if one can't even shut down unwanted opposition?
But the other options might be be less imbalancing. But what do I know, I have little knowledge of playing mafia and none of balancing a mafia game :)

Anywho, I'm already very much in the mood for the game :D I'm fine with starting as soon as it's convenient for everybody.
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Lifthrasil: There will be no lynches as such. And scum will not need a simple majority to win, but the election of the new Pope needs to be unanimously. So Town has a bit more time. But then again, once they control the elimination vote, there is also nothing stopping them from achieving 100% control of the election vote.

But you are right, the self-voting should not be applie to the elimination vote, but only to the election vote.
Oh! I didn't read closely enough. Vote Bookwyrm

That could indeed be interesting.
I'm good for anything, as long as super high volume isn't a requirement, which I know it usually isn't lol.
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Bookwyrm627: Oh! I didn't read closely enough. Vote Bookwyrm

That could indeed be interesting.
so much so that you're in now?
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Bookwyrm627: Oh! I didn't read closely enough. Vote Bookwyrm

That could indeed be interesting.
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mchack: so much so that you're in now?
Doesn't fix the time issue. I don't have it, and (despite my name) I actually read pretty slow.
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mchack: so much so that you're in now?
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Bookwyrm627: Doesn't fix the time issue. I don't have it, and (despite my name) I actually read pretty slow.
You just need a T.A.R.D.I.S. or Time-Turner.
Create more time!
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HypersomniacLive: supplementscene said there's a sign-up thread, given that he's a notorious (mafia) liar and should be offed with no hesitation whatsoever, I came to see for myself. What do you know, he was telling the truth after all... ok then, perhaps spare him until the game actually starts.

Quite a few faces from a distant mafia-past (*reminisces for a bit*)... I'm tempted... but I'm in a pickle:
-- I had an accident (actually two, four days apart) about a month ago, and have injured both legs pretty badly (on sick leave till the 13th), and still can't sit at my desk for longer periods of time;
-- once I get back to work (though I'm looking to switch jobs, which won't be until sometime in January), I won't have the energy to play.

So the sane thing for me, unfortunately, is to abstain. Perhaps next year.

I will, however, vote mchack for feigning uncertainty about the rules, plus being suspiciously helpful; we all know that those are unmistaken signs of being a baddy, right? Right?!

I wish you all to have heaps of fun!
I'm sorry to hear this. I'm not sure if I should post my severe injury to compete with you as it is too embarassing. It means I can only wear a skirt and not normal men's clothes because they are too painful. Hopefully that makes you laugh and cheers you up a bit. It's not a lifestyle choice

Anyway aren't your mafia posts typically 1 or 2 sentences? Surely you don't need to sit very long for them?

All the best though, I'm only joshing
I can write up the role descriptions tomorrow and finalize the setup. Then I can write up some fluff and we can have a relaxed first day to get to know each other (without deadline yet) before going to the holiday break.

Or I start after the holidays. What do you think? Is it better for the dynamic to start now? Or to wait until after the break?
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Lifthrasil: I can write up the role descriptions tomorrow and finalize the setup. Then I can write up some fluff and we can have a relaxed first day to get to know each other (without deadline yet) before going to the holiday break.

Or I start after the holidays. What do you think? Is it better for the dynamic to start now? Or to wait until after the break?
I'm fine with either. As long as the show gets started, anything is fair game.
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Lifthrasil: I can write up the role descriptions tomorrow and finalize the setup. Then I can write up some fluff and we can have a relaxed first day to get to know each other (without deadline yet) before going to the holiday break.

Or I start after the holidays. What do you think? Is it better for the dynamic to start now? Or to wait until after the break?
Sooner is preferred. I want to update my Christmas music playlist and can do that at the same time. If I start playing something, I can easily loose interest. "Sorry. I'm too busy telling people that they need to worship cats."
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Lifthrasil: I can write up the role descriptions tomorrow and finalize the setup. Then I can write up some fluff and we can have a relaxed first day to get to know each other (without deadline yet) before going to the holiday break.

Or I start after the holidays. What do you think? Is it better for the dynamic to start now? Or to wait until after the break?
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PookaMustard: I'm fine with either. As long as the show gets started, anything is fair game.
I need the password for the board for the Daychat for the Reformers. I think you have it, right?

P.S. what was the last Mafia game? I found Forum Mafia #81, was that really the last?
Post edited December 16, 2024 by Lifthrasil
Also I have decided on the Deadline issue and found a compromise between random investigation, should a deadline be reached without majority and a Reformer's choice investigation:

The Reformers will get an Accuser role. As long as he is active, he gets to choose secretly whom to investigate, should a deadline be reached without majority (in the faction chat). But if he is excluded from the voting (if he's investigated himself), the Reformers lose the power of choice and deadline-investigation becomes random.


Also I'll put in some messenger-type roles that will be distributed randomly, with no faction connection. Just for fun.
OK. The game is set. As soon as I have the proboards password, I'll set up the Daychat and then send out the Role PMs.
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Lifthrasil: P.S. what was the last Mafia game? I found Forum Mafia #81, was that really the last?
The answer you're looking for is closer than you think. :>
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/sign_up_for_from_mafia_roman_police_academy_conclave/post19

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supplementscene: I'm sorry to hear this. I'm not sure if I should post my severe injury to compete with you as it is too embarassing. It means I can only wear a skirt and not normal men's clothes because they are too painful. Hopefully that makes you laugh and cheers you up a bit. It's not a lifestyle choice.
Jeezus... either forum mafia is indeed cursed or it's simply the lot of you! O_o
I remember about your injured knee during the very first game we played...

I take it, atleast, the browser issue is resolved? =(

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Lifthrasil: -[snip]-
Best of luck to you lot. o7