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It seems a lot of people on these forums are exaggerating about the legality of the sale. Must suck to live in a country that has banned carnivals too. And you know those Claw machines...clearly must be banned too. And no gumball machines either, because its a chance what color might come out. Man...I'd hate to grow up as a child in some of those countries...

Edit: Although I guess there is one plus for the country, never had to experience "Magic crack" since it clearly was banned...
Post edited September 14, 2015 by RWarehall
You'll probably get your refund later today, but don't write them any more for now(you said you've written them a second time), because that will just push your ticket to the end of the quota.
Post edited September 14, 2015 by leon30
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tfishell: Actually it is, because you're posting in what is essentially a "public" forum. But if you want to act like a child, fine; I won't respond any more.
To state his dislike on one thing and you label him more or less as a hater of GOG. I think you're the one acting like a child.

I use Steam and even then I hate many of those features of Steam, but it doesn't mean I have to leave Steam forum and be labelled as hater.
Post edited September 14, 2015 by zeroxxx
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zeroxxx: To state his dislike on one thing and you label him more or less as a hater of GOG. I think you're the one acting like a child.

I use Steam and even then I hate many of those features of Steam, but it doesn't mean I have to leave Steam forum and be labelled as hater.
You do know that Tauto is either "is" or is a friend of the scammer nes400, right? The guy who has dozens of alts and uses them to attempt to take as many free games as possible from people giving them away?
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RWarehall: You do know that Tauto is either "is" or is a friend of the scammer nes400, right? The guy who has dozens of alts and uses them to attempt to take as many free games as possible from people giving them away?
No, I don't. I am merely talking about the current issue at hand, and not taking into account other issues outside the scope of discussion.

Frankly, it's because it happened to me. I showed displeasure towards one action that GOG took and people labelled me as a hater, when in fact I'm not even hating on GoG - not the slightest bit.
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zeroxxx: No, I don't. I am merely talking about the current issue at hand, and not taking into account other issues outside the scope of discussion.

Frankly, it's because it happened to me. I showed displeasure towards one action that GOG took and people labelled me as a hater, when in fact I'm not even hating on GoG - not the slightest bit.
I stated that to make you aware. Tauto and this army of alt accounts have been plaguing the forums since June. Responses to that jerk will generally be influenced by the fact most of the regulars on this forum know this account is one of the scammers. He has stated publicly that he is trying to essentially burn GoG to the ground.
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justanoldgamer: I don't think that kind of sale would be legal here in Quebec, Canada if one could not get a refund. Games of chance are strictly regulated here and I suspect it is the same through much of the world.
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Marioface5: Are TCG card packs illegal there then? The same principle would apply here: You're guaranteed to get something, but exactly what you get is unknown until you've made your purchase.
I'm not sure what TCG cards are but I'm guessing some kind of game or sport cards. I'm not sure of the legality of those but since the values of those are purely subjective then I suspect they're ok. I do know that people that set up casinos for charity or non profit need a permit. For profit games of chance are verboten except when run by the national lottery company, Loto-Quebec. (I might be wrong on the details, I'm no lawyer). I know for a fact that some bars have run private poker games but those did not last long.

Business can run games of chance but they cannot require a purchase AND must require a skill to claim a price (typically a mathematical question). At least it was that way when I was a kid.
You're just venting like many of us do here sometimes, and now you need to shut up.

edit: to clarify, no I'm not having a go at you. I just read the last paragraph and decided play with it. No grumpy faces here.
Post edited September 14, 2015 by micktiegs_8
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RWarehall: I stated that to make you aware. Tauto and this army of alt accounts have been plaguing the forums since June.
Noted and appreciated.
Post edited September 14, 2015 by zeroxxx
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RWarehall: It seems a lot of people on these forums are exaggerating about the legality of the sale. Must suck to live in a country that has banned carnivals too. And you know those Claw machines...clearly must be banned too. And no gumball machines either, because its a chance what color might come out. Man...I'd hate to grow up as a child in some of those countries...

Edit: Although I guess there is one plus for the country, never had to experience "Magic crack" since it clearly was banned...
It is regulated, and comes with rules depending on if it starts becoming gambling. "Carnivals" are not banned here (quotation just because they wouldnt be called that here), but they are supposed to mark very clearly what the percentage win is of any machine that is considered gambling. This wouldnt apply to a claw machine as far as I know, because that is more supposedly a game of skill (we all know that is bs, the claw is designed to not actually grip properly everytime, but it is supposed to be a game of skill) - although if they did admit the claw only grabbed properly a percentage of the time, this percentage would need to be visible.

All I am saying is it is possible gog would have to be careful how they operated these things so they dont get caught up in anything like that - most of the examples people give of why it is gambling and a lottery are just plain stupid, im not supporting them or anything.
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awalterj: Also, every time one emails support before they reply, your ticket gets reset all the way to the back of the queue, most people already know this but one can easily forget.
Whether this used to be true or not, or was just mis-explained at some point, is debatable.

But that 'email about it and you go to the back of the line' claim was 'debunked' here.
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RWarehall: It seems a lot of people on these forums are exaggerating about the legality of the sale. Must suck to live in a country that has banned carnivals too. And you know those Claw machines...clearly must be banned too. And no gumball machines either, because its a chance what color might come out. Man...I'd hate to grow up as a child in some of those countries...

Edit: Although I guess there is one plus for the country, never had to experience "Magic crack" since it clearly was banned...
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mabrookes: It is regulated, and comes with rules depending on if it starts becoming gambling. "Carnivals" are not banned here (quotation just because they wouldnt be called that here), but they are supposed to mark very clearly what the percentage win is of any machine that is considered gambling. This wouldnt apply to a claw machine as far as I know, because that is more supposedly a game of skill (we all know that is bs, the claw is designed to not actually grip properly everytime, but it is supposed to be a game of skill) - although if they did admit the claw only grabbed properly a percentage of the time, this percentage would need to be visible.

All I am saying is it is possible gog would have to be careful how they operated these things so they dont get caught up in anything like that - most of the examples people give of why it is gambling and a lottery are just plain stupid, im not supporting them or anything.
I don't know if it is called gambling, because when you lose in a gamble, you lose everything. This still give you a game / gift that you may want or not.

That said, this kind of sales is not good to me as I own most of the games offered. I just stop buying and it trouble me no more.
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mabrookes: It is regulated, and comes with rules depending on if it starts becoming gambling. "Carnivals" are not banned here (quotation just because they wouldnt be called that here), but they are supposed to mark very clearly what the percentage win is of any machine that is considered gambling. This wouldnt apply to a claw machine as far as I know, because that is more supposedly a game of skill (we all know that is bs, the claw is designed to not actually grip properly everytime, but it is supposed to be a game of skill) - although if they did admit the claw only grabbed properly a percentage of the time, this percentage would need to be visible.

All I am saying is it is possible gog would have to be careful how they operated these things so they dont get caught up in anything like that - most of the examples people give of why it is gambling and a lottery are just plain stupid, im not supporting them or anything.
Yeah, I looked it up online and frankly, the laws in most countries don't really apply to this. It's used for gambling and sweepstakes. While it "can" and some lawyers have blogs discussing "grab bags" it seems as long as the bags have "similar value", its no big deal. Now if one of them contained a diamond ring or something, that becomes a different matter. So the question becomes whether a retail value $44.99 game is similar value to $9.99 games. But they have done these sort of promos before.

Furthermore, it gets cloudier. Does GoG advertise this sale to Canadian citizens for example? Because for online gaming, as long as the site doesn't specifically "advertise to Canadians", they are not violating Canadian law when Canadian citizens gamble on their sites.
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Martek: But that 'email about it and you go to the back of the line' claim was 'debunked' here.
As far as I know, this happens only when sending new support request (some people have done that for the same issue when response was lacking), not on replying to already existent ticket which is preferrable.
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ChrisSZ: What's the point in making the pinatas refundable? It's a game, a gamble with a certain "risk". You either get what you want (a game you like, way cheaper than the normal price) or not. Making it refundable is kind of strange.
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justanoldgamer: I don't think that kind of sale would be legal here in Quebec, Canada if one could not get a refund. Games of chance are strictly regulated here and I suspect it is the same through much of the world.
Yes, you're right. I totally forgot about the legal aspect. I think in many parts of the world it's not only about gambling, but any online purchase must be refundable or in the case of goods it must be possible to send them back to the seller and get a refund.

I remember there was some kind of "lucky draw" in the past at GOG where you had to purchase some games and got a surprise game for free on top, and it was limited to one purchase per account. Maybe that would have been a good idea for this pinata sales, too.