Nahhh, I find forum SH really dull. I wasn't actually following the game, I just knew Joe was Hitler.

One problem with topping in a forum game is that it would take an extremely long time with us having to wait for a nomination and the no votes for 3 governments in a row. It's part of the reasons why I wasn't too eager to go for it.

Maybe we should allow for a "Top next card" bulk vote. So if anyone proposes it, then besides the usual vote for the next government you also vote for topping next policy. If the majority vote for it, then next 3 (or 2 if one government was already voted down) governments automatically get voted down and next policy topped.

Yep. It also gave me pause. "Damn, Rager, you were playing so well and now this!?"

And a bit later: "WTF? No one noticed?"

was sweating bullets at that point, tbh. o.0 :D
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I know.....my bad......it sadly comes with how I read/reply to posts sometimes. I gotta be more careful next time(no matter what side i'm on), I think. :)
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Now for my notes:

(Some notes/musings I made on various posts & the game/it's players, along with some breadcrumbs/etc I dropped as I played)

Posts of note:
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Post 79 by ZFR- (On picking hitler as chancellor) - If anyone wonders why I picked rwarehall it was random BUT from the liberals only....I didn't want to pick another fascist or hitler as such to avoid putting suspicion on another team mate on the off chance I played poorly and aroused suspicion.

Post 87 by Pooka - I find it funny that Joe didn't pick up on the few crumbs I placed before this(One being the bolded bit from me about a tub of cool whip, a nod to family guy and that scene with stewie and meg[where he emphasizes the H sound on that and other words])

Post 96 by me - More breadcrumbing to Joe that I knew who he was with the overuse of the letter H near the end.

Post 108 - I found it funny I had done "good" so far in evading suspicion and gotten all yes votes but scene....and while I commend him for sticking to his guns and being the only one smart enough to possibly ferret me out(at the time I wrote this bit) among liberals, I also kinda find it funny that he only seemingly did so due to me not wanting to play meta/pick a chancellor from the "right" set of people.

First policy pass by me: I had a brainfart when picking and nearly made myself look very suspicious by taking the only liberal card from the cards given and discarding it....thankfully I caught myself in time and tossed a fascist card instead.

Post 131 - Another breadcrumb with a BIG H in WHO, and while posting to Lift....this was done by me while hoping Joe would catch on if he hadn't before.

Posts 149 and 154 - I LOVED Pooka's writeup/flavor here and also RFG's intro as well...I also liked being able to play with RFG again(even if we DID get stuck on opposing sides this time). :)

Post 234 by Scene - Seeing him/you pick Joe as a possible fascist made me a little tense.

(Also the last paragraph of that post: I now realize I should've picked Lift Or Joe and handed them a liberal card to pass, but eh....what's done is done I guess)

Policy pick #1 by me: I picked liberal out of the two cards handed me to avoid being seen as fascist...though I likely should've passed the fascist policy and thrown shade on myself a bit to help fascists along.

Post 239 by Pooka - I hoped I would get picked as Chancellor again at this point(dunno if it was possible as as of me writing this I was/am not fully versed in the more complex game details) or Joe even, so we could slip through a fascist policy(even if it meant we had to throw one of us under the bus a bit/shade them a bit to do so).

Post 261 by ZFR - I was worried when ZFR scoped out Joe/Lift & possibly me as well, but happy he also suspected a few others to varying degrees.

Post 416 + 442 by Lift - These seemed like breadcrumbs to me or advice, and I took them as such/to heart, but I played as I did to have fun.....sorry about thay if it seemed bad play. :)

2nd policy pass by me: I discarded one L card. Otherwise the game would've been over and my side would've lost. Sorry for extending the game a bit longer, everyone(mostly liberals...I am guessing other fascists also wanted to win and didn't mind my prolonging the game :)).

I also muddled over what to say after being allowed to speak....I picked saying I got 3 F cards to avoid tipping off Rwarehall if I said I sent 1 of each card as he is a very good player(observant/analytical/etc) it seems.

Post 488 by Micro: A nice beefy post, and twas nice to see such a post I could reply to by you/Micro.

The bit about sweating bullets by us F players: I dunno about the others but it's how I felt after passing that F policy to keep the game going & then people suggesting I be investigated.

Post 537 and 538 by Joe and Me - I was guessing this was Joe trying to feel out for the other fascist on the team and looking to see what my reply was. I responded with a bit of breadcrumbing....hopefully it was noticed/picked up on. :)

Post 593 by me - I picked me and Joe as players NOT to pick as I hoped either Joe would be picked and the game would be won, or I would be picked and I could pass another F policy...hopefully if I got handed two F cards, but also even if I got an L and had to drop it and expose myself in the process.

I also picked scene to add a Liberal into the mix to cast some shade and also avoid lumping all fascists by themselves(if that makes sense).

Post 608 - I had to laugh at the fact that scene's meta play style caused him to only be able to view certain actions/players a certain way given his style of play.....not very flexible or desirable Liberal play, imo.

Though he DID find out(at that point) 2 of the 3 fascists in play, so maybe there is a tiny bit of merit in it.

Post 613+614 - I almost let it slip due to being excited, thinking we'd won due to Joe being nominated...then I figured he'd still need to be elected, so I tried to backtrack and asked for a bump to post more to hide my jumping the gun.

@ Lift/Joe: I DO hope my jumping the gun on Post 614 accidentally(and also losing the game if that happened) didn't make you guys wanna thrash me soundly for my mistake. :)

Post 623 by ZFR: By this point I hoped we had ZFR on board for a YES vote, and knew us 3 fascists would vote yes.....I was hoping we could get 1 more yes vote to win....I was SO on pins and needles at this point.

Post 688 by Lift - I know lift/you was/were trying to make us look less suspect, but suggesting to ZFR and everyone that we change votes and skip from a possible win was a very risky move, imo.....if they accepted and everyone did that then we'd have lost.
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Musings:
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Sorry if I come off as overly rude to anyone with this bit: I try to respect everyone's choices as muchy as possible, but I found the whole "I think we should play meta" thing being pushed to be pointless after a certain point, and on the other hand some people's *reaction* to it being pushed/talked about(Not just by scene) to be a bit more than necessary.....imo a simple "We're not playing meta" before moving on would've suffiiced and I was sad to see some leave over it.
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Well that's about it.

Oh yeah @Joppo: If you didn't see it yet, I replied to you in the observer thread.

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(From the linked point until 2:12)

We are starting a new game of forum mafia! Come join us now or watch at https://www.gog.com/forum/general/looking_for_players_for_a_forum_deduction_game/page1

I'm just saying I'll respond to a couple posts! Eventually. I feel a little sleepy but will do it!

I also stand by Lift's recommendations. Your instinct was amazing, scene. You could have convinced the whole table to drop the Joe idea, had you not doubled down on the statistics angle. People were willing to listen to you and even implement your ideas in practice (the less hands on deck strategy is yours after all!) but you failed to click with them when they most needed you.


I had the feeling afterwards that if I came an hour or two later with the "VOTE!" post, GR wouldn't have bothered to explain his way out. What I'm more surprised about is that nobody questioned him about the champagne or about his reasoning for it.


Heh. GR was absolutely brilliant this game. Is that why nobody spotted it? Not even Microfish called it out, and he's the kind of person I'd expect him to spot it and go "hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, this is super fishy."


That was...sorta what I added to the rules mid-game. You could vote for the current government and up to two future governments with a few catches, and I made two posts about it so people knew it was a thing they could do, in anticipation of endless rejected governments.


That is something I noticed during a couple games, going all the way back to the previous SH game here. Some liberals are quiet. Fascists are usually loud. Now that doesn't mean that fascists are always loud and liberals are always quiet, I've seen a quiet fascist here and there, but usually the quiet people are liberals who go along with the flow rather than challenge or question it.


I forgot about the balancing mechanic entirely, and it didn't help that my script didn't ask me for it by default. I'm thinking of adding the choice to go with balancing into the script, but that would involve reading the source code and...uhh, untangling the mess I've coded. No matter what I do, the code is always janky to look at. I've no idea why.


Heh. I always thought of all conflicting theories as valid simply because I pretended to be a clueless liberal or observer rather than THE mod of the game who knows more than the fascists will. I think this would be very helpful in playing as scum, but it would need refining in-game because making theories as an observer is just, it's lax, but as a player you're always suspected of having ulterior motives and threatened with votes. Still, it was fun imagining these "100% will never happen" scenarios and playing them out.


I have noted in the text file that Lift's pushing of a GR investigation to Joe is basically Lift hoping that Joe finds one of his fascist buddies, and then hope that Joe connects the dots back to Lift. It's this kind of thing that makes me want to play as Hitler in a serious game (I've never done that).


More later!

(Me at 2:44 btw, lol...so cute)

Oh, I had alarm bells ringing in my head and KNEW my mistake within minutes....I even posted for a bump in the admin thread because of that flub.....luckily though, you made a post and I could make one of mine to try and smooth things over. :)

Heh, you overly flatter me, I think. I p;ayed around the same I did in the mafia games....I think it has/had to do with the fact that SH games are geared differently(how to play and win) compared to previous games and I was able to capitalize upon that.

That and the fact I was on fascist side and knew who all the liberals were, so all I had to do was hide in plain sight and not have to puzzle out who the fascists were or try to make each vote actually count.

It was also a stroke of luck lift suggested joe to investigate me and joe did....all of that and scene's suspicious play style helped us all "come together as a team", I think, and pull off a win.

I still wonder when it was that joe figures or guessed first that either of us might be fascists....was it when lift suggested to investigate me,or did Joe have an inkling before then...makes me wonder, it does. o.0

For a bit of fun/a good laugh(and you reminded me of this "scene"): You/Us=The Host of the "game"
Scene=Billy Madison

(The above is just meant as harmless fun....just a head's up)

Reminding myself to post some of the stuff here. Mainly:

- responses to GameRager
- Flavor PMs, such as role PMs
- other thoughts when making the game (maybe)

What else...maybe the tool I used to make the game, and praising what needs to be praised and criticizing what needs to be criticized. Not sure what else, but I do plan to be as thorough as possible to cover everything.

Sounds good.....will be staying tuned for that. :)

(Also I wonder if any player read my notes....I went to so much trouble to take and then post them, after all. o.0)

Role PMs!

Before we begin, it's worth noting that each faction had the same victory conditions and role signal. Here they are:
LIBERAL: HITLER: FASCIST: TRIVIA: Lift's PM has "(yes, again)" after "YOU ARE A FASCIST."

On to the players...

ZFR: Joe: RedFireGaming: GameRager: supplementscene: Microfish: RWarehall: Lifthrasil: