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Posted January 23, 2020
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JoeSapphire: Anyway - Could I get you to choose between zfr and rw please? You might not have a preference but could you throw your lot in with one anyway?
Personally, I think for you to investigate ZFR after you were the one to initially choose him in government 2, wouldn't alleviate anyone's fears since you could be a Fascist choosing Hitler for a government.
Posted January 23, 2020
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JoeSapphire: The first secret hitler game we passed 4 liberal policies vs 1 fascist, and managed to lose in a horrible chaotic maelstrom of despair it was exquisitely painful. The second I think we were 3L to 1F when it quite quickly and smoothly turned against our favour and hitler was elected before we knew what had happened.

In my experience this game spends a lot of time with the liberals going "oh yeah this game's easy" and then ends in agony.

This game I think we've managed to avoid some of the mistakes - we've not voted in every president and we seem to have fairly trustworthy people, but still, I can't help feel a slow creeping dread as victory begins to inch further and further away.
Nuff said ;)

Oh and this too :)
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JoeSapphire: Anyway - Could I get you to choose between zfr and rw please? You might not have a preference but could you throw your lot in with one anyway?
As I said either is good....thing is I am new at this and also I suspect most equally as being possible fascists/liberals at this point, so if I did it'd have to be mostly random. if that's what you want, though, i'll flip a coin. :)
Posted January 23, 2020
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JoeSapphire: Can I get everybody's input on this choice?
Personally I'd prefer you investigate GR. But nemo judex...
Posted January 23, 2020
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GameRager: As I said either is good....thing is I am new at this and also I suspect most equally as being possible fascists/liberals at this point, so if I did it'd have to be mostly random. if that's what you want, though, i'll flip a coin. :)
flip it.

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ZFR: nemo judex...
does he? I don't remember that bit...
Posted January 23, 2020
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JoeSapphire: The first secret hitler game we passed 4 liberal policies vs 1 fascist, and managed to lose in a horrible chaotic maelstrom of despair it was exquisitely painful.
Second.

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JoeSapphire: The second I think we were 3L to 1F when it quite quickly and smoothly turned against our favour and hitler was elected before we knew what had happened.
nth. On Discord



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JoeSapphire: Anyway - Could I get you to choose between zfr and rw please? You might not have a preference but could you throw your lot in with one anyway?
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RWarehall: Personally, I think for you to investigate ZFR after you were the one to initially choose him in government 2, wouldn't alleviate anyone's fears since you could be a Fascist choosing Hitler for a government.
The fact that RW again is pointing you towards investigating him makes me think he's Lib. At least not Hitler, who wouldn't risk it. And I highly doubt he's a regular Fascist.
Posted January 23, 2020
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JoeSapphire: The first secret hitler game we passed 4 liberal policies vs 1 fascist, and managed to lose in a horrible chaotic maelstrom of despair it was exquisitely painful.
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ZFR: Second.
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JoeSapphire: The second I think we were 3L to 1F when it quite quickly and smoothly turned against our favour and hitler was elected before we knew what had happened.
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ZFR: nth. On Discord
Sorry yeah, I meant to specify "my first and second SH games". How did gog's SH#1 end?

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RWarehall: Personally, I think for you to investigate ZFR after you were the one to initially choose him in government 2, wouldn't alleviate anyone's fears since you could be a Fascist choosing Hitler for a government.
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ZFR: The fact that RW again is pointing you towards investigating him makes me think he's Lib. At least not Hitler, who wouldn't risk it. And I highly doubt he's a regular Fascist.
Yeah me too
Posted January 23, 2020
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ZFR: I got FF.
I got a rock...*holds open candy bag*
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JoeSapphire: flip it.
It came up ZFR....but your call.
Posted January 23, 2020
bump?
Posted January 23, 2020
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ZFR: bump?
Thanks but thankfully I didn't need one...the silly forum sometimes eats a page if it's a "new" one(depending on one's posts per page settings) or close to it.....so for a bit my 26th page had vanished after making my last reply.....it's back now, though. :)
Posted January 23, 2020
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JoeSapphire: Sorry yeah, I meant to specify "my first and second SH games". How did gog's SH#1 end?
Liberals won.
Posted January 23, 2020
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JoeSapphire: Sorry yeah, I meant to specify "my first and second SH games". How did gog's SH#1 end?
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ZFR: Liberals won.
Did they listen to Joe?
Posted January 23, 2020
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JoeSapphire: FFF (For Fuck's Fake)

Can I get everybody's input on this choice?
Wait. Is the 'Fake' above just a joke, or are you admitting that your FFF is fake? ;-)

As for whom to investigate: I would suggest to investigate GR. For the above mentioned reasons. He enacted an F policy but also 2L. So with him, we have a chance of getting H, if you get an F result.

Investigating RW would also be sensible for the next government, but contrary to you, it makes me a bit suspicious if someone puts himself forward for investigation. Maybe he wants to create conflict? ... Of course, it's possible that he is genuinely Liberal and wants to be trusted. But if he is a Liberal, he wouldn't know that he can trust you to report your read correctly.

So, maybe he's a Fascist who put himself forward in an effort to create conflict and Scene, being his fellow Fascist and not getting RW's intention (or just not thinking conflict useful) tries to deflect the measurement somewhere else? Possible. But if RW is F and put himself forward in this way, he's quite surely not H.

So my opinion is: first choice, investigate GR. Second choice, if you don't want to investigate GR for some reason, pick RW. Third choice: ZFR (also some chance of H, but mostly I read him as L) but as RW pointed out, you 'clearing' ZFR might not be as believable as you clearing someone, whom you didn't pick for your first government.
Posted January 23, 2020
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Lifthrasil: But if RW is F and put himself forward in this way, he's quite surely not H.
That's the reason I don't think he's F.

Being H is unlikely - he wouldn't put himself forward this way.
Being vanillaF is unlikely - he passed 2 liberal policies, including one that put us at 3-0 with the knowledge that the next government would bring it to 4-0.

Barring a very gutsy WIFOM, I just don't see it.
Posted January 23, 2020
I just thought of something: there is another reason actually he might put himself forward though: he wants to draw the investigation away from GR.

If RW is a regular fascist and GR is Hitler it would make sense.
Posted January 23, 2020
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Lifthrasil: Again, it's completely irrelevant if GR buried an L or not. Everything that was buried is now back in the pile. That's what 'reshuffle ' means.

That is not dead, which can eternal lie, for with strange eons even discard may die!

As for the voting: I think that we are forcing the hands of the fascists. There was such a strong case for going with these 4 players, that voting no would look off at this point. So even if all were liberal, all the fascists can do is hope for 3F.

That being said, it is still quite likely, that one if these 4 is a fascist. We have 3 fascists (including Hitler) and 7 Liberals. Any group of 4 out of these is quite likely to contain (at least) one fascist. To be precise, the likelihood of at least one F- aligned person in any group of 4 in this game is 83,33%
My point was we have no visible conflict, so either one of these pairs is FF or FH OR GR buried the L to force F.
Also, there are only 8 players. 3F/H+5L That you didn't know this is strange, to say the least, not to mention questionable. The flavor has mentioned it 4 times (spelled eight)--not to mention every vote count that wasn't unanimous (7x) plus the startup player list. ZFR mentioned it I said it [url=https://www.gog.com/forum/general/secret_hitler_3_beyond_stardom/post488]here.

It's been mentioned at least 14x, so your calling it a 10 player game is suspicious, as you pay attention to these things. Now, the question is...how could lying or otherwise misrepresenting the number of players in this manner help L?

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ZFR: The fact that RW again is pointing you towards investigating him makes me think he's Lib. At least not Hitler, who wouldn't risk it. And I highly doubt he's a regular Fascist.
Unless RW is H and is 100% sure Joe is F, or RW is F & knows Joe is H.

Question for those experienced at this. does it ever make sense for a F who has been not buddying up to their partners to ask to be investigated by an F in hopes that they are declared H to clear an H who is under question? This would automatically let H know the ID of at least one person...my question is basically, can we trust an investigation of an H?

Would there be reason for F's to call an L player "H", or is this self-defeating as it exposes an F to that L player?
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