Posted January 08, 2020
PookaMustard
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ZFR
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Posted January 09, 2020
RedFireGaming: Right now I'm trying to process the different proposals for good and bad governments.
RedFireGaming: So scene, your meta strategy, starts with chancellor picks from the middle of the player list and works downward, which would follow Lift's logic that chancellors should be picked from the end of the list. Your current proposed strategy was to pick chancellors who already have or will be in government. I'm having trouble seeing how both these plans benefit Liberals, so would you please explain?
However, the opposite acting nature of these plans seems somewhat in your favor, since it means you aren't picking strategies that favor certain players. If I'm wrong about how the original plan would have acted though, I'll check again for overlap.
RedFireGaming: So scene, your meta strategy, starts with chancellor picks from the middle of the player list and works downward, which would follow Lift's logic that chancellors should be picked from the end of the list. Your current proposed strategy was to pick chancellors who already have or will be in government. I'm having trouble seeing how both these plans benefit Liberals, so would you please explain?
However, the opposite acting nature of these plans seems somewhat in your favor, since it means you aren't picking strategies that favor certain players. If I'm wrong about how the original plan would have acted though, I'll check again for overlap.
Lifthrasil: @GR: about your nomination: nominating the very next player in line would have been bad. It would give the nominated player the chance to participate in two successive governments. Once as Chancellor, once as President and as long as we don't know anything about players, that's a conglomeration of power that is to be avoided. Personally, I would have nominated someone from the lower half, but well, what's done is done.
RedFireGaming: Wouldn't the person be held accountable if they passed a fascist policy? Or if they would have an advantage if they were a fascist, please elaborate. There's 2 principles to my startegy.
1) Repeat couples that play Liberal Liberal policy. So the next government after this one should be ZFR and Joe. Joe should be the player ZFR can trust the most at this stage. So if ZFR picks someone else it will look suspect.
2) Try to space these couples out across the board in order for only 4 people to touch the first deck (unless fascist policies are played - and then new couples are introduced). This principle hasn't been met so we'll essentially be forced to play 6 people in the first deck.
Why is this strategy an advantage? Because at the end of the deck we will see how many blues come out. If there's less than 5 there's a 90% chance someone dropped a blue.
RWarehall: 2) Selecting GameRager who should be 100% unless he was a sandbagging Fascist at the start. Even as Hitler and an impending 3-0, he'd still have to pass a Liberal card.
There is also the possibility one of the first 2 presidents received 2 Liberal Policies and discarded a blue. But from your POV Rager looks your safest bet Not really much to discuss, I'd consider not voting for a Gov that previously played a Liberal policy and hasn't played any fascist policy to be outing fascist. Will you pick @joesapphire as your chancellor? Because from your POV he should look like the player you can trust the most. If so I will happily nein both Microfish and Lift. Then we skip back to Rager RWarehall if they play another Liberal Policy
In the unlikely but possible event yourself, Rager, Joe and RWarehall are all Liberal it could be a quickly won game.
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JoeSapphire
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Posted January 09, 2020
Microfish_1: I personally am finding it difficult to fault Scene's logic, even if I don't always agree with it. However the whole "skip to Joe" vs "skip Joe" thing bears looking into. [...]
^ Can anybody summarise what fish means by " the whole "skip to Joe" vs "skip Joe" thing"? Is it what scene and lift have been arguing about?
ZFR
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Posted January 09, 2020
Microfish_1: I personally am finding it difficult to fault Scene's logic, even if I don't always agree with it. However the whole "skip to Joe" vs "skip Joe" thing bears looking into. [...]
JoeSapphire: ^ Can anybody summarise what fish means by " the whole "skip to Joe" vs "skip Joe" thing"? Is it what scene and lift have been arguing about?
After the first government passed and made an L policy, scene wanted to skip you and go to RW: skip Joe.
Lift mentioned it as suspicious. Micro picked up on it too.
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Posted January 09, 2020
Microfish_1: I personally am finding it difficult to fault Scene's logic, even if I don't always agree with it. However the whole "skip to Joe" vs "skip Joe" thing bears looking into. [...]
JoeSapphire: ^ Can anybody summarise what fish means by " the whole "skip to Joe" vs "skip Joe" thing"? Is it what scene and lift have been arguing about?
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Posted January 09, 2020
JoeSapphire: ^ Can anybody summarise what fish means by " the whole "skip to Joe" vs "skip Joe" thing"?
Is it what scene and lift have been arguing about?
ZFR: Before the very first government passed, scene said that he trusts you and is willing to vote NO to any government until yours: skip to Joe. Is it what scene and lift have been arguing about?
After the first government passed and made an L policy, scene wanted to skip you and go to RW: skip Joe.
Lift mentioned it as suspicious. Micro picked up on it too.
I asked you whether you'd agree to nominate Joe. You haven't replied to this yet. Why not? I'd find it highly suspicious if you nominated anyone else.
ZFR
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Posted January 09, 2020
KO?
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Posted January 09, 2020
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Posted January 09, 2020
ZFR
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