Right now I'm trying to process the different proposals for good and bad governments.
So scene, your meta strategy, as I understand it working, (Linked GIF) starts with chancellor picks from the middle of the player list and works downward, which would follow Lift's logic that chancellors should be picked from the end of the list. Your current proposed strategy was to pick chancellors who already have or will be in government. I'm having trouble seeing how both these plans benefit Liberals, so would you please explain?
However, the opposite acting nature of these plans seems somewhat in your favor, since it means you aren't picking strategies that favor certain players. If I'm wrong about how the original plan would have acted though, I'll check again for overlap.

Wouldn't the person be held accountable if they passed a fascist policy? Or if they would have an advantage if they were a fascist, please elaborate.

I cannot pinpoint the exact posts(I don't keep track of much beyond basic notes in every such game), but since you've been playing you seemed to have been subtly hinting for meta play & indirectly throwing shade on those who don't want to play it.

Of course I now know that you seem to do that every such game, but as a newcomer(and to those newcomers who don't know such) it will likely seem very scummy/fascist play.

Of course now that I know such I will be leaning you more neutral(could go either way) when you post such, unless I see proof that makes me more sure you're liberal or fascist.

What if a fascist player keeps playing liberal policies to hide in plain sight? Is this possible and what would you do in such cases?
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Sounds fair enough...will send my vote in in a bit(to make it count officially).

For now, Vote YES.

(I do hope I picked wisely)
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I keep explaining why(imo) trusting ONLY those who pass liberal policies might bite you in the behind.....but your vote. o.0

All of you hear beeping in the room. The beeping comes from Beatrice.

"ONE. YES. TWO. YES. THREE. NO..." she kept going up until EIGHT. It took you a while before any of you realized what the heck was up with her.

1. GameRager..................ja!
2. JoeSapphire.................ja!
3. RWarehall.....................nein
4. Lifthrasil........................ja!
5. Microfish.......................ja!
6. ZFR................................ja!
7. RedFireGaming...........ja!
8. supplementscene........nein

She held both of Captain Sapphire's and Zenefredi's shoulders. "FOLLOW ME."

This government is now in office. President JoeSapphire and Chancellor ZFR are now BOUND TO SILENCE until a policy is enacted.

Everyone else may keep talking just fine.

OP has been updated.

Possible replies:

1. Yup...you go girl....*snaps fingers and puts on shades*.

Fine enough? :)

2. But...i'm...not...so...gud...with....da....wurdz.

3. Flan

Given the lack of NEINS I do think this Gov contains a fascist. We shall see.

I suggest @RWarehall starts thinking about a Chancellor now. Given Joe's goverment has passed I think the best match would be Gamerager who already played a Liberal Policy with him, ie maybe he can trust him and it re-tests Gamerager. Alternatively if he wants a Liberal he can pick me. While these are the 2 best picks I will be voting yes for RWarehall

Well this can happen but it is reliant on 1) Getting to Hitler Zone by passing 3 fascist policies 2) Either Liberals being unlucky and getting 3 fascist policies 3) Other fascists dropping cards for the fascist playing Liberal policies to remain in favour 4) The fascist playing Liberal policy not being unlucky enough to play with a Liberal who gets 3 fascist policies who in turn investigates them fascist 5) The fascist not being unlucky and getting a 3 fascist policy draw him/her self

So essentially it happens but it requires quite a bit of luck for the fascists

Technically there was 1 other nein(Rwarehall).

But I think/agree we should always assume each govt has a fascist in it(unless we know or can tell otherwise).

What if Rawarehall is fascist and passes me 2 fascist policy cards(less possible but still possible)?

What if you're fascist? What if i'm fascist? What if EVERYONE is fascist? o.0

(Only the first question is serious, btw....the second is semi-serious....and the third is just me joking[I know not everyone can be liberal or fascist in this game]. I'd still like your input on those first two questions, though, as I am curious to hear your replies)

Thanks for the info...being new is hard sometimes with new games.

Yes, of course, everyone is held accountable for the policies they passed. But part of the game balance is, that players who were in a government can't be nominated as chancellor. So you don't get the same players in two consecutive governments. Also there is the mechanic that after three down-voted governments a random policy is passed. Which benefits the Fascists, since there are more fascist policies in the pile. Making someone chancellor who will be President in the very next round is a way around the 'no player in two consecutive governments' idea. That may be good if you trust the player very much. But if the first round government passes an F, we would be forced to veto the very next government which would effectively shorten the vote-track by one. ... So, it's no hard danger if we risk such a double government. But I have the feeling that it gives one player too much power to be in two consecutive governments and that that shouldn't be done unless that player is very much trusted.

Please stop announcing your votes publicly. Of course we discuss the advantages and disadvantages of proposed governments, but voting is supposed to be made in secret via PM. As ZFR explained, Fascists can benefit from publicly visible votes, because they then can tailor their votes to the ones already cast.

Where do you see a lack of Neins? I see two Neins, we have two fascists. Hitler will be trying to go with the flow. He has to hide in the crowd after all. It's not necessarily the case that both Nay-sayers are fascists, but it is very interesting that you pretend to see a lack of Neins.


@RW: Scene already explained his motive for voting No. I don't agree with that motive, but he did explain. What was your reason to vote No?

"This is magnificent!" Puzzlemaster jumped up and down. "See how cheesy and heroic they've been Grimsby? SEE IT!?"

Grimsby went over to the scene, and picked up the discarded poster. "Yes, watching those two toss these posters is something I'm absolutely sure everyone in this great country will die for." Grimsby crumbled the poster. "Just what the hell are you planning, Puzzlemaster?"

"Oh, everyone loves watching heroes chilling."

"Huh, yeah, OK."

"THIS IS ACTUALLY DECENT." Beatrice whirred.

"You've got to be kidd-" before Grimsby could say anything, Bookwyrm interrupted.

"Yeah, this is alright. Even the biggest movies have some relief moments, you know?"

"You're all ridiculous! I'll go take a break." Grimsby angrily left the stage without saying any further words.

"Oh, this is fine." Puzzlemaster approached Darth Roberts. "Let's see what you got there, my friend."

"But I already-"

"Shhhh, nobody cares, get on with it."

The government has enacted the second Liberal policy!
President RWarehall must now nominate a chancellor.

JoeSapphire and ZFR may now speak. The OP has been updated.

Fair points, but the only other players(besides me) who hadn't voted by that point were scene(and we more or less knew his claimed voting preference at that point as he kept mentioning it) and Micro. That said I felt more ok with stating my vote in that case(i'd also likely do it if I was the last to vote or one the last ones to vote, but NOT otherwise out of respect for your request).

BTW when is dinner served? Or at least craft services? I'm starved. o.0

I got LF. What was the third one, Joe?

F yay! High five ZFR. Perfect government!

and I'm happy for RW to nominate GameRager, as scene suggests. That makes sense to me.

RW - why did you vote against the government?

As ZFR asked: what was the third card you drew and discarded?

I too wouldn't mind RW+GR, but I'd love to hear first why the NO vote.

If RW (+GR or whomever) passes another L, I wouldn't mind skipping to myself + Joe after that. But maybe I'm getting ahead of myself.