Sorry for my lack of posting yesterday, it was my birthday so I was not around s much.

If a facsist policy is passed this time I would want a Pooka investigation. After thinking on the game the past couple of days my gut is telling me something is not right about him or his investigation that he did on blotunga. If Pooka was not investigated I would want blotunga investigated again.

Happy birthday!

Btw Pooka and Scene, you haven't yet cast your votes.
As for the investigation, I'm open to a second one, if Lift declares me F, I will be sure he's scum, so 1 less to identify.

Ah happy birthday!

I was thinking about investigating Joe or SPF but doubling up on an investigated player or an investigator makes perfect sense. We have no way of knowing whether Pooka discarded a card or not and if he did his investigation is pretty useless. This also gives us much 'cleaner' knowledge and potentially confirms 2 players as being of the same allegence.

I'd like to request that Lift does not investigate ZFR because he's the most confirmed from actual play and also not Trent himseld. Because if Trent is Scum, Lift is very likely to be on his team. If Trent is Liberal then it doesn't do anything to confirm anyone else because Lift can be of any persuasion. Although it reduces the odds that Hitler was part of the first few governments.

Happy Belated Bday

See, this is what I don't get.

I too want someone who I know won't discard it. Which means that if there was a big chance of getting an L, I'd want the most trustworthy people in government, so they can pass it. If there was a small chance of getting it, I wouldn't mind other people. You are saying it the other way round.

Gosh, true. Then probably a Joe investigation would be the most reasonable course of action.
But why are we talking about investigations, we don't even have a government yet?

Pooka wouldn't be the same player though but yes I do think Joe is a good candidate because if he is Liberal as this would also confirm ZFR is almost certainly Liberal too.

This way we have a very trusted confirmed Liberal government.

If Joe is fascist we don't want him in government so we skip him.

But anyway hopefully this is hypothetical, Lift draws an L card and both Lift and Blotunga pass it to put us on 4-1 and the game will be pretty much won.

I like this line of reasoning :D.
Have you voted yet?

I have earlier in the morning.

60% chance of an L being drawn from the 5 cards. So long as two liberals are handling it, yeah a 4th one would be passed.

Exactly. And since I know I'm liberal and thing that blotunga is too, I call that a good chance.

I did vote on Lift's proposed government before zeo made the proposal official. I go with Yes.

Also to add to the conversation, indeed we're not in the part where we have to be careful about who gets chancellorships. We're only at one fascist policy, we're not at the point where we need to worry yet, since even if we elect Hitler right now, his status as Hitler is moot apart from the possibility of passing F.

As for myself, well, I did confirm blotunga as liberal, which he himself is happy with the result. And again, I did draw three fascist policies, there was pretty much no choice for me or Lift. Other than that, I know I am liberal. I can understand the skepticism regarding me passing a fascist policy, but then again, that was pretty much my first major action in the game, and, being introduced this late into the game, I have probably missed several chances to prove myself and my alignment. I'm not asking to go easy on me, but more to understand that my circumstances aren't helping me right now.

Not sure what "choose government" is supposed to mean, but yes, with the next fascist policy, the president when that policy is passed will do an investigation. The same person cannot be investigated twice in the same game, so he'll have to investigate somebody besides Blotunga.

I'm not saying it the other way round - That makes it sound like I'm saying we want less trustworthy people in government once Ls have been shuffled back in - I want me in government, and then if we're still playing I'd want you (ZFR) in government. These are my three most trusted players right now.

You imply there's a small chance of getting the L, so you wouldn't mind other people (or perhaps you're just doing rhetoric) but in this situation there isn't a small chance of getting an L - there's a big chance of getting an L, and a big chance of not getting an L.

rtcvb summed up my logic here: "60% chance of an L being drawn from the 5 cards. So long as two liberals are handling it, yeah a 4th one would be passed."

I go on to say that, if the president was not liberal, there would be no reason not to remove the L. No repercussion and minimal loss of trust.

But, it's a vote and no-one seems to agree with me so let's go with all y'alls's stupid plan and when we all lose I can say I told you so.