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Posted February 28, 2019
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Lifthrasil: we can't afford another accidental Liberal death.
Posted February 28, 2019
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JoeSapphire: ....
So you’re against a Pooka shooting. If I’m elected president and a fascist policy is passed who do you think I should shoot and why?

This is a good question for everyone. Also, who does everyone want me to nominate as chancellor and why?
Posted February 28, 2019
FUNNY JOKE:

Patient: Doctor, doctor. When did lifthrasil learn that blotunga was liberal?

Doctor: When he was told his alignment and allies at the start of the game.
Posted February 28, 2019
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supplementscene: I disagree that alignment is irrelevant, it's vital we pass Liberal policy first and foremost because otherwise we're 1 policy away from losing. If we draw FFF there's no way I'd agree to you and SPF over having ZFR in the final government. It's upto Trent who's scumread us both at different stages of who he thinks the best Liberal bet is.

I'd also be quite suspicious of you and Trent or whoever he picks if Lib policy isn't passed this round. But I suppose you'd both be locked out of government anyway so that's a bit irrelevant.
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Lifthrasil: Scene. Please do the maths. Why would it be suspicious if no Liberal policy is passed this round? There are most likely none left in the pile. According to ZFR he drew the last L and handed it to Pooka, who buried it. And even if you believe Pooka that he got FF, then it is very likely that ZFR buried the last L. In any case after everything we know there are exactly 0 Liberal policies left in the pile. So ... how likely do you think it is that the next government draws an L policy if there are none left in the pile?

This means, unless ZFR drew FFF in the last round and lied about passing LF to Pooka, the next President will draw FFF, because it's all that is left in the pile. Therefore I said that the alignment is basically irrelevant. Because I believe ZFR that he drew the last L. Which is also why I would be OK with you as Chancellor. You might be Fascist, but I don't believe that you're Hitler. Still, I would prefer to be Chancellor myself because I'm proven non-Hitler.

By the way, after the next government the cards will be re-shuffled. And then there will be two L cards in the pile again. So while this current government isn't that crucial, the next one surely is. It has to be Liberal-Liberal. That's why I suggested to follow trent+X up with me+ZFR. ZFR is still the strongest Liberal player we have. All that 'But ZFR might be Hitler' reasoning from Pooka looks a bit contrieved. But then again he had to come up with something after being outed as probable Fascist.

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JoeSapphire: IT'S RTCVB!!!!
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Lifthrasil: Thanks. Unfortunately this statement is again fraught with a lot of 'Wario In First, Oh Mama!'.

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JoeSapphire: Noooooo! Please don't shoot one of the two CERTAINLY-NOT-H players!
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Lifthrasil: Why am I not surprised to see Joe defending Pooka?

@trent: I am OK with you shooting Pooka instead of Joe. While I know 100% that Joe is Fascist, you don't. And should blotunga have been Liberal, we can't afford another accidental Liberal death. Because then the Fascists could block every Liberal-Liberal government, forcing a random policy in the last round. Which would mean we would probably lose.
Oh well excuse my brainfart, I thought it was reshuffled. So literally no L cards, that's bad, we goto 5-5 regardless and everything is on the last round

Ofcourse if there's a chance ZFR and you are a scumteam, he could be lying about the unlikely event of discarding Liberal Cards and you would be in a position to block the final Liberal Card.

So if there's a dispute here that would mean a team of ZFR and Lift with Trent, Joe and Pooka on the other team.

Ofcourse if there is no dispute both yourself and Lift look Liberal

@Trent nominate me instead because there might be Liberal cards in the pack. It's statistically unlikely that ZFR has drawn all the Liberal cards Joe touched on that and we both read Joe as Liberal up until Lift passed his Liberal policy.
Posted February 28, 2019
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JoeSapphire: ....
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trentonlf: So you’re against a Pooka shooting. If I’m elected president and a fascist policy is passed who do you think I should shoot and why?

This is a good question for everyone. Also, who does everyone want me to nominate as chancellor and why?
It depends. Right now ZFR is my most trusted Liberal, but what if he isn't Liberal? You might get info this round.

1. If you draw a Liberal Card and Lift passes fascist policy you should shoot ZFR or Lift because you know they are definitely lying and are a scum team. Pooka now looks like he is telling the truth so don't shoot him.

2. If you draw FFF the assumption is ZFR was telling the truth and that Pooka is Scum. So be reasonably confident in shooting Pooka or Joe.

If I'm in power with you the risk of scenario 1 is eliminated and we win the game. If I'm concerned that another candidate could be Hitler, I'd vote against it because we can't risk that at this stage.

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JoeSapphire: FUNNY JOKE:

Patient: Doctor, doctor. When did lifthrasil learn that blotunga was liberal?

Doctor: When he was told his alignment and allies at the start of the game.
Playing the 'Joe is a decent honest Liberal dude game'. How do you know Blotunga was Liberal? We know he wasn't Hitler. But we also know Lift A) Didn't accuse Blotunga of throwing away a card B) never accused him of being Fascist.

We could of killed a fascist or a liberal, there's no way of knowing unless in fact you're Scum. So maybe you do know Blotunga was liberal?
Posted February 28, 2019
LESS FUNNY JOKE

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supplementscene: How do you know Blotunga was Liberal?
A: Because lifthrasil skipped his government, named him likely-to-be-H-man, then had him shot.
Posted February 28, 2019
please please please by heaven above please everybody don't ignore the significance of this
Posted February 28, 2019
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JoeSapphire: LESS FUNNY JOKE

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supplementscene: How do you know Blotunga was Liberal?
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JoeSapphire: A: Because lifthrasil skipped his government, named him likely-to-be-H-man, then had him shot.
Good point on the skipping gov so you'd be right if Lift does turn out to be Scum but ZFR shot him.

And don't ignore the significance of what exactly?
Posted February 28, 2019
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JoeSapphire: Q:
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supplementscene: How do you know Blotunga was Liberal?
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JoeSapphire: A: Because lifthrasil skipped his government, named him likely-to-be-H-man, then had him shot.
Another misrepresentation by you. I didn't "have blotunga shot". I argued for having you shot, not Blotunga. ZFR just didn't want to hurt your feelings. If I had had my way, blotunga would still be playing with us and you would be dead.

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trentonlf: This is a good question for everyone. Also, who does everyone want me to nominate as chancellor and why?
I think I already discussed that with ZFR and Scene. Short version: I would prefer to be chancellor myself. If you don't fully trust me or want to preserve me for the next government, choose Scene. Of course I would prefer ZFR over Scene, but ZFR is not eligible. All others have a higher Hitler-probability.

By the way, I have SPF as leaning Liberal too. But he is difficult to read due to being mostly absent. He passed a Liberal policy in the third government together with ZFR. But then again he would do that if he were Hitler too. And if his reported draw was correct (LLF), he even had no choice but to pass at least one L to ZFR. So, like you, I would not want to have SPF as Chancellor due to the remaining Hitler-risk, but I would be OK with having him as President.
Posted February 28, 2019
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JoeSapphire: Q:
A: Because lifthrasil skipped his government, named him likely-to-be-H-man, then had him shot.
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Lifthrasil: Another misrepresentation by you. I didn't "have blotunga shot". I argued for having you shot, not Blotunga. ZFR just didn't want to hurt your feelings. If I had had my way, blotunga would still be playing with us and you would be dead.
Yup. Great point.


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Lifthrasil: My preference would be Joe. But I understand your reason to hesitate and if you want to risk killing blotunga instead, that's OK too. It's riskier, but then perhaps it also could be a game-winning move.
No. Problems. There.
Posted February 28, 2019
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Lifthrasil: we can't afford another accidental Liberal death.
do you see it? please?
Posted February 28, 2019
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JoeSapphire: IT'S RTCVB!!!!

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trentonlf: if I’m elected and a fascist policy passes I’m shooting Pooka.
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JoeSapphire: Noooooo! Please don't shoot one of the two CERTAINLY-NOT-H players!
WOW... Joe got really talkative suddenly after talk of shooting Pooka.

But one thing you're missing Joe. Let's assume both bullets were used, and both shot NOT H players, but hit fascists regardless. That tips the scales to 6-2. That means 75% LL government which can veto agendas or get L policies passed, which logically would be the better choice.

Pushing to go for the quick win is probably the biggest misdirection you can give. It's like trying to start a fire in the wood fireplace, and you're cold so you want a fire now, so you pour a gallon of gasoline. You'll get a fire for sure, just not the controlled one that leaves you with a house afterwards.
Posted February 28, 2019
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rtcvb32: WOW... Joe got really talkative suddenly after talk of shooting Pooka.
YES MY CHARASTERISTIC STOIC DISPOSITION HAS BEEN SHATTERED


I'm not interested in Trent trying to shoot H anymore.
Posted February 28, 2019
"ignore it and it'll go away" eh?


I'm away for the evening. Won't be able to post till tomorrow morning. Have fun while I'm gone!
Posted February 28, 2019
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JoeSapphire: "ignore it and it'll go away" eh?
Huh? I just didn't have anything to say in return. That comment was just that, a comment.

Hmmm maybe i could be Captain obvious....
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