If Pooka is F but not Hitler, then he will have to reveal himself. That was discussed. Please stop picking only the small parts that suit you out of what was written. I know, scum have to act like that in every Mafia-like game, but it's becoming ridiculous. There is no way that you genuinely misunderstand what I write, so you are doing it on purpose.

But OK, we don't have anything else to do while we wait for votes. So I'll simplify it even more, so that even you can't pretend to misunderstand it any more.

- If Pooka is Fascist, but not Hitler, he will have to reveal himself now.
- If Pooka is Hitler, we lose. But if he were Hitler, you wouldn't try to argue against him but would just go along.
- If Pooka is Liberal, the Fascists are in a serious bind and are about to lose.

Independent of Pooka's alignment, we are at the 'vote YES or pass a random policy' stage. A point which you conveniently choose to ignore in your replies. So the Liberal thing to do is to vote YES. Because random policy is bad.

The ONLY reason why a Liberal might be inclined to vote NO would be, if they are convinced that Pooka is Hitler. If that is the case, it would be crucial that he shares the reasons for believing that Pooka is Hitler with the other players. I.e. make a case for Pooka=Hitler.

Conclusion: if anyone votes NO, I expect a case from such a person why they believe that Pooka is likely to be Hitler. If anyone votes NO without such a reason, they automatically reveal themselves as Fascists. Therefore, if the Fascists want to prevent a Pooka government, they will have to start making up reasons why Pooka is likely to be Hitler. And risk that their made up reasons are recognized as made up.

Contrary to what you say, however, making a case against Pooka does not make one a Fascist. Just voting NO without good reason does. So I repeat: if a Liberal has genuine concerns about Pooka it would be important to share them.

I'm looking forward to see how you want to wiggle out of this situation. Probably just by continuing to try to create as much confusion as you can. Have fun. As ZFR already said: you DO put up a fight and are quite tenacious at pretending to be Liberal. That is kind of admirable. But it doesn't change the fact that the Fascists are in a bad situation right now.

What's the problem? I was just trying to understand the point you were getting at, and what you want people to do with that information.



By "Pooka will have to reveal himself now." Do you mean that pooka will have to pass an F policy?

What about a liberal who isn't certain about whether or not pooka is, but thinks that the chance that pooka is AH is great enough to risk the random-policy. If they voted NO what would you make of it?



^ What do you achieve with these final comments?

Yes. Take a look at the game board. One more Liberal policy and we win. So if Pooka is Fascist and ZFR gives him a choice, Pooka can't pass an L. He has to pass an F or lose. So he has to reveal himself. Unless ZFR draws FFF and in that case Pooka's alignment doesn't matter as long as he isn't Hitler.

As I said before, if any Liberal has a case to make against a Pooka Chancellorship, now would be the time to discuss it. And a 'Pooka's H likelyhood is so big that I'd rather risk a random F policy' IS a case against Pooka. If someone votes NO without making a case against Pooka, he's Fascist. How often should I repeat that statement?

Fun. It is a game after all. Also: calling you out on your shenanigans, since I don't believe that you genuinely didn't understand the points I was getting at. So I guess you picking points out of context to be able to misunderstand them is just you trying to create confusion. Otherwise your continued insistence on misunderstanding and asking questions that were already answered would be pointless. I would accuse you of stalling, if you hadn't voted already. So, if you aren't trying to create confusion, then what's the point of your last few posts?

Trying to work out what was the point of yours.

Anybody care to reason with me?

Here's the problem as I see it:

If ZFR is F, then our only hope is to vote no to this government.


So to help understand is ZFR F, I want to ponder this question:

If Lifrthasil is F, who are his teammates?


(I suppose, for the sake of fairness, you could also ponder "If Joe is F who are his teammates.")


I've mentioned already how easy it is to assume they're Lifthrasil, ZFRasil, RTCVBifthrasil, and Pookrasil.

But if it's not ZFR, then lifthrasil, is teamed with...

likely still rtcvb...
any ideas anybody?

please

That someone better speak and give me those reasons why Pooka is likely to be Hitler. Now. I've been waiting for them for almost five days now.

Ever since flub's government failed you knew it will come down to my government. You knew I'd select Pooka. What. kind. of. liberal. wouldn't. have. shared. those. reasons. by now???

Well a big response to everyone wrote this morning lost, damn you GOG

@JOE why not vote for yourself? Because only Hitler doesn't want to be President. I realise you knew it was probably a lost cause. I find your theory on Scummy Lift being miffed at ZFR theory interesting although I'm equally miffed as a Liberal because Pooka certainly isn't my first 2 choices here.

Sighs...….This was a quickfire nomination, too quick. You might have rationalised why you think Pooka made a good 'none Hitler' earlier but both myself and Trent are better Liberal picks and better none Hitler picks for that matter too. I have asked Zeo if it is within the rules for you to change your pick but I think that's unlikely.

Failing that I suppose Joe probably is Fascist and I can't see him risking calling Pooka Hitler if Pooka is actually Hitler. He might do it to a fellow fascist though, thought of that? If Lift is Liberal then it makes it exceedingly likely Pooka discarded a Liberal Card. Sure it could be that both players drew FFF but that isn't likely. We could have won this round with the right pick.

All that aside good bluffing with trying to flush out Joe's scumbudies and you had me fooled. But I think they must know being identified with him would be staying on a sinking ship.

As did I. I'm not sure why you feel 2 unknowns at that stage were entitled to be elected when in turn you had both voted done mine and ZFRs government the turn before. My government at least had someone proven to pass liberal policy alongside myself.

Blotunga said he would discuss openly who he would elect and then went against the general consensus, which wasn't a great look.

Not sure that's true.

Unless "the general consensus" is how we're referring to ZFR now.

Also, seeing as it's not going to make a difference anyway.

I promise to vote YES for ZFR.

No. Just no.

You've got to either start giving explanations or please stop labeling people out of thin air.

Explain why trent is more likely to be nont-Hitler.

Ha ha ha ha ha.

Yes. Repeatedly. I have explained it repeatedly. Lift has explained it repeatedly.
Pooka being a regular fascist is no risk for us. Read Lift's summary post just few posts up if you don't want to read what has been written earlier.

that's a bit naive...

If you pass pooka an L and it gets disarded, then we have two governments of only FFF draws (assuming you didn't lie, but if you did this whole thing's moot anyway) and if there's a fascist on that second government it's game over.

So some risk.

FFS second longish reply I've lost today. I replied to a few posted

1. Right, Trent has been critical of players without fear of conflict, ie with myself. And played it down the middle, so even though Joe looks like Scum, Trent says he appears Liberal from his posts. And you know I do agree with that analysis, Joe seems more active and more genuinely analytical than I've seen him in other games. But logically with Lift passing that Liberal Policy, I tend to think he's throwing a massive bluff.

As for me, obviously I know I'm Liberal but no one has scumhunted harder in this game and I've created conflict by being suspicious of every poster. So it stands to reason I'm obviously not Hitler.

2. I take that to mean it's against the rules. But for that reason you really shouldn't have nominated that fast.

3. If Pooka is a regular fascist it puts us closer to 6 policies. You yourself said Pooka and Lift were unlikely to be the same alignement. So who's more likely to be Scum? Pooka or Trent or Scene?

That's very weak. If trent were Hitler he could still easily do all that.

No. While I do agree that you are very unlikely Hitler (you enter conflicts too readily) I strongly disagree on trent. Yes, he passed me a Liberal policy when he was my president at the beginning of the game, but that's exactly what Hitler would do in his situation. And he kept quite quiet during mid-game. So IF he is Fascist, he has a relatively high Hitler probability. I am rating him as Liberal, both by play and by exclusion (there are scummier players than him). But on the 'Hitler probability' scale he has a higher chance of being Hitler than both Pooka and you. In conclusion: I would support trent as President readily, but preferably not as Chancellor.