What now? What do you mean "wait"?

I posted the HA thread hours before the investigation result. You replied to it saying you don't trust me only a few minutes after I posted the result. Isn't this disturbing? And me drawing FFF at that point is not enough to remove me from governments. We'll see what the majority says when the time comes.

And if I were Hitler why would I investigate and clear Lift? I could choose dedo or scene and bring chaos. But I went with the majority and the benefit of liberals which was to investigate the person who was most likely to be liberal at that point. The fascists ' benefit at that point would be to investigate a fascist.

I did actually consider this earlier in the game as to who to elect after 3F, and I came to the conclusion that suspected fascists were probably safer as they are less likely to be Hitler.

But that's if you ignore the fact that if suspected fascist is genuinely a fascist they will take the opportunity to pass an F policy (not as bad as losing by still bad).

I think the game gets much more complicated if we reach 3F.

I think the fact that greek is trying very hard to claim he and numerous others are confirmed and definitely safe is what worries me the most about him. Lift understands that we can't take him as L and that there is an element of distrust required, but greek completely disregards this and acts as if we've got a guaranteed pool of liberals, yet continues to plan three moves ahead (which really shouldn't be required if everyone he claims is liberal is).

Dude, what the heck? Im on holidays and can stay online to follow every post you make. Want me to scan my tickets?

can't :P

Sorry, trying to decompress from work... so u get to live with it... :D

^can't

Sorry but of all the unfounded accusations made against me this game (hey scene I'm still waiting) the "waited hours to reply to my post" is the most ridiculous one yet.

So you gain his trust and he votes for you. With 3F and 1H the fascists need lib votes to pass a hitler government.

Well at some point you have to trust someone to maximize your chances of winning the game. I trust Lift and brasas at this point. My plan has the benefit that it has liberal chancellors and if this round ends and we haven't won, at least we are sure that both brasas and dedo are fascists because the only way for not passing an L would be a FFF draw by Lift, a FFL by brasas and a FFL draw by dedo.

And I don't have to mention the obvious stuff. Of course if Lift passes FL and we don't win, brasas is fascist and consequently dedo is fascist.

At this point and after all your accusations after a more than 50% possible FFF draw without taking into account all my previous game, I can only consider you enemies. I don't see what else I can do to convince people I am liberal so it's my word against yours.

And no one answered why I would investigate and clear Lift as Hitler when I had the choice to pick someone else? Are you saying that was the best play for Hitler at that point?

I know, right? To investigate and clear another player and have people doubt you afterwards? Inconceivable!!

No offense but our cases were a bit different. I have 90% cleared you btw, but at that point and before brasas passed me the 4th L, there was a legit chance you were a fascist. Not to mention that brasas had already made some enemies before you investigated him. But hey, it's the same people that didn't believe you!

Again, why are you "clearing" so many people on thin air?
Why are you clearing Dedo who claimed to draw 3F when there was still a missing liberal card?
Why are you clearing Brasas when you said yourself you were trying to make picking an L attractive to a fascist?
Frankly, why are you clearing anyone with no evidence or reason?
Why are you insisting we should trust you when every strategy guide will tell you Hitler plays as a liberal?

Why don't you look at your supposedly proposed scum team? Why the heck would a bunch of fascists vocally support two players you are calling liberals just to be proven wrong? What would have happened if Dedo would have passed a liberal policy? How does that even make sense?

I've been watching all game for actions that appear either fascist or Hitler...
ZFR waffling on his own chancellorship makes no real sense as a fascist.
But Scene trying to change the course of the game at 3-0 does...and if you are somehow a liberal, you LET HIM by changing the plan to Dedo and getting an F passed.
Seeing you insist how you must be trusted and even as a chancellor despite many people explaining why that is a bad idea, looks like Hitler. Why pick Lift? Because that was the majority and it would look strange if you deviated.

And no, no one is accusing you of setting up the whole game, we are suggesting you are a prime candidate for Hitler because all your actions match what Hitler would do.

Maybe you ought to go back and read that strategy guide you were talking about. The one you claim you are following and all your actions and reads are perfectly justified by it. Because they are not...

So answer me this question.
If Lift passes 3F, why do you want Brasas as president and you as chancellor? Why not cycle back to you as president?

It is entirely possible, but it's also entirely possible you're Hitler.

Why would you pick someone else? How would outing scene or dedo as fascist, as you seem to have been implying here;

help you?
Buying Lift's trust, or confirming him as liberal if you are both F, is far more useful to you then possibly causing a conflict and damaging your reputation.


You need to stop behaving like you, Lift and Brasas are all confirmed and starting seeing things from everyone elses point of view. Only dedo, you and the fascists know for certain the alignment of anyone, the rest of us are working blind and have to go on the evidence before us, which right now doesn't look great for you.

Answers to everyone :
The fascists kbew that after the brasas-me government, the next government would be me-Lift. That's the reason they sort of resigned after the 4th L and only came alive after a fascist policy was passed to make it 4-2 and give them hope.
I cleared brasas because he passed me the 4th L, that is enough for me. If it isn't enough for you, it's your problem.
I 90% cleared dedo because thanks to him we chose brasas for the next president who gave me the 4th L. I have explained why dedo as a fascist wouldn't do that, so I am happy considering him liberal until proven wrong.
I thought about being president in case Lift draws FFF but who would be chancellor? People suggesting that we choose someone who hasn't drawn attention, that's not a good enough strategy, anybody else could be Hitler. I repeat what I said before, the way the game went, it's very possible that Hitler did not have the chance to be involved in the action and gain trust. I could take the risk with dedo chancellor if the majority wants it, but if I get FF the next step can only be dedo-Lift. Anyway I insist on being chancellor unless you show me a better plan. And saying that me insisting is Hitler bla bla bla, well whatever. Liberals have to decide if they trust me.

If liberals want to test/try someone else, we can only do it with this government with Lift president. Not later. I don't know the chances, but we can afford to lose 1L.

Now, you justified every action of mine as something Hitler would do. Give me a reason why fascists accepted the Lift-me government in the previous round knowing we are liberals. It's a possible scenario and since you thought reasons about everything, explain this too.

Possible doesn't make it likely. But good question, if you are somehow liberal, who thinks it would be okay to take that chance? If you were actually liberal, you'd be looking very closely at Brasas and Scene and Dedo who all see their names mentioned prominently in proposals for future government by you. Those are the people who might be happy rolling the dice hoping you would get 3F because they think they might get the chance to bury the liberal cards and still win the game.

Hm, that's a useful post, maybe they saw my trust, but I don't remember trusting them at that point, it was too early, so that can't be the answer