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supplementscene: @ZFR the information you're asking for is quite detailed and I've started re-reading the whole thread. It's a big read and I'm slowly analysing it.
What's detailed? All I want is an example of what you accused me of... 2 weeks ago now?
Posts 321 and 324 to be precise.

What's there to analyze? You got proof of your accusations or not?
Or is it your normal policy: accuse first, check facts later?
Wow, that's a whole lot of negative votes. I have to say I didn't expect that. Was adalia a good pick after all?
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dedoporno: Wow, that's a whole lot of negative votes. I have to say I didn't expect that. Was adalia a good pick after all?
That's a very funny thing to say from someone who has supposedly 100% confirmed Brasas...

Are you having doubts now?
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adaliabooks: But as I'm fairly sure my government has failed and we're either voting Brasas in or having a random policy I have another similar question.

If you are convinced the last possible government has a fascist president is it better to vote it in anyway or allow a random policy draw?
Particularly at this crucial juncture, without rereading the rules we only reshuffle when there is less than three cards left, so if we draw a random policy (assuming everyone has told the truth) we have a 2 in 5 chance of getting an L anyway, and if it's an F then the next government should be guaranteed at least one L from the remaining cards...

If Brasas and greek are both L it's not worth the risk, but if we suspect Brasas might withhold an L it may be worth it... of course it also depends on those last two Ls actually being in the deck still...

What does everyone think?
I have thought about this line of play. If we were guaranteed that the 2L were still in the deck, I would do it to make sure an L gets drawn. That would give us 100% correct info on brasas if the random draw was F. But we don't have that guarantee and we risk passing 2 fascist policies without real gain. So I prefer the 1 government play and leave 2 cards at the bottom of the deck. 1 fascist policy is enough for me to condemn brasas and dedo.

Btw if some liberals disagree with the others line if play, they should vote accordingly. If you preferred adalia's government over brasas', why didn't you vote yes now? I had the impression that Zfr and RW preferred this government. What's the gain from saying one thing and voting another? Or is it just to make sure that the majority's policy goes through? From what others wrote it wasn't sure that the liberals ' majority preferred brasas.
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greeklover: snip
If you'd have actually been reading my posts, you would know...

I've said it a few times, I preferred going for the Brasas government for the information it reveals, not because I thought he was a liberal. I was the one who initially proposed the idea that we could vote in both Dedo and Brasas to expose them as fascists and it might be worth it.

In fact, the plan has already worked well. That vote in itself is rather valuable information. It says a lot if you look at the possibilities...
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greeklover: I have thought about this line of play. If we were guaranteed that the 2L were still in the deck, I would do it to make sure an L gets drawn. That would give us 100% correct info on brasas if the random draw was F. But we don't have that guarantee and we risk passing 2 fascist policies without real gain. So I prefer the 1 government play and leave 2 cards at the bottom of the deck. 1 fascist policy is enough for me to condemn brasas and dedo.
Good point.
It only would make sense if everyone has told the truth, we can't be sure that is the case so it's probably not worth the risk.
I nominate greek for chancellor.

When greek gave me the chills I considered nominating Lift instead. But then reconsidered as it would increase the disruption further.
Let's not go for the random policy, please. We don't know how many liberal policies are left in the stack and we would give away an awful lot of information. Information about dedo and Brasas from what Brasas does. Information from the investigation result that Brasas will claim, if he passes an F policy. Remember, if a random F policy is passed, the presidential action associated with it is void.
CURRENT PROPOSED GOVERNMENT
President: Big Brass (brasas)
Chancellor: The Greek (greeklover)

Send in your votes and pictures of tap-dancing horses and all that.
Post edited April 30, 2018 by zeogold
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Brasas: When greek gave me the chills
What??? Don't listen to that weird Thatchersucker who ends his walls of text with "the Greek did this and that's disturbing nom nom nom". Just pass me L or LL and let's cycle, bro!
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RWarehall: That's a very funny thing to say from someone who has supposedly 100% confirmed Brasas...

Are you having doubts now?
I don't follow the reasoning behind that. Brasas and myself are only 2 players. Let's say we were scum and we have synced as much as possible without a night-chat so we are able to align our moves. There are still 2 others one of which might be Hitler who might not be on the same page. Having a practically unanimous vote is at least noteworthy.

I don't have doubts about Brasas since I know he is legit. Everyone else isn't. I'm not as smart nor as clairvoyant as others so I can't be 100% sure of anything outside of my immediate knowledge.
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dedoporno: I don't follow the reasoning behind that. Brasas and myself are only 2 players. Let's say we were scum and we have synced as much as possible without a night-chat so we are able to align our moves. There are still 2 others one of which might be Hitler who might not be on the same page. Having a practically unanimous vote is at least noteworthy.

I don't have doubts about Brasas since I know he is legit. Everyone else isn't. I'm not as smart nor as clairvoyant as others so I can't be 100% sure of anything outside of my immediate knowledge.
Well if you assume you are Liberal then it could well mean that a previous president lied and there are less L cards left and the fascists are hoping to see Brasas get 3 F and tarnish both of you...

It is certainly interesting that I was the only yes vote for my government...
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dedoporno: I don't follow the reasoning behind that. Brasas and myself are only 2 players. Let's say we were scum and we have synced as much as possible without a night-chat so we are able to align our moves. There are still 2 others one of which might be Hitler who might not be on the same page. Having a practically unanimous vote is at least noteworthy.

I don't have doubts about Brasas since I know he is legit. Everyone else isn't. I'm not as smart nor as clairvoyant as others so I can't be 100% sure of anything outside of my immediate knowledge.
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adaliabooks: Well if you assume you are Liberal then it could well mean that a previous president lied and there are less L cards left and the fascists are hoping to see Brasas get 3 F and tarnish both of you...

It is certainly interesting that I was the only yes vote for my government...
Yeah, it's a bit weird for me that fascists would want a Brasas government in case he really is liberal. I thought they might try to sabotage the vote. Now we are locked in for Brasas so fascists can't risk voting against him. It would be hard to justify as there is a 60% chance that the random would throw up a F policy. It's a weird game because so far I can't be 100% about anyone (though I do tend to trust greek, lift and somewhat scene). So I think we should stick to the plan and elect Brasas, it should be a win-win either way. If he passes 2F, he and dedo are 90% scum. If he passes LL or LF then we go 4-1 and greek can close the deal.
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blotunga: Yeah, it's a bit weird for me that fascists would want a Brasas government in case he really is liberal. I thought they might try to sabotage the vote. ...
You haven't noticed them trying? Sure they didn't push too hard on the Adalia alternative, just like I don't expect them to push too hard on the Chaos alternative. But that's because positioning against a 90% chance of L is impossible to do rationally. They sure have planted numerous seeds that they will collect after we pass the L though. And who knows, they might get lucky with the card draw...

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greeklover: What??? Don't listen to that weird Thatchersucker ...
It wasn't anything anyone else said. It was your consideration of Adalia's gov that spooked me. Water under the bridge already.

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dedoporno: Wow, that's a whole lot of negative votes. I have to say I didn't expect that. Was adalia a good pick after all?
I think they are locked into the WIFOM play. If they try to solidify their strategy they become super vulnerable to the potential 2nd investigation. I mean, either they lose flatout 5-1, or that second investigation comes up very soon and under Liberal president (come to think of it, this is good evidence for Greek being Liberal). They might change tack after it happens of course.

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supplementscene: That is His Royal Sceneness to you Brasas
*smirks and bows*