Posts like this create the doubt I have in you...
Clearly you are not reading the game...because in my last post I just explained it. He passed my test when his presidency got attacked. That's where his quality analysis got confirmed as genuine in my eyes. And again with the strategy guide stuff. Think! Every situation is different. In this game they kinda messed up and got bottled together. They very well might choose the muddy the waters route thinking it's necessary to create doubt. And of all people you want to push for Brasas as the next chancellor? He cannot be to only or best option...

But while I'm at it. Please link this strategy guide you are reading that specifically discusses what a dascist should do at 3-1. I looked at a couple before the game started and didn't find any that went into that level of depth

I think this was the guide. It says at two points that it's very unlikely for a fascist to pass a 4th liberal policy.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=623958110

And I am not pushing brasas at the moment so pay attention to your words. If he passes me L, he is 90% cleared for me. Even if he passes me L, my 1st choice is Lift and the second is, you won't like this, but it's still Scene. Scene has some solid liberal actions until now, he has drawn attention from the first moment and is spreading chaos lately and getting in conflicts. There is no chance he is Hitler.

Probabilities say that the fascists may have a very big problem. Hitler hasn't had the chance to gain trust from his actions. The only people who have gained trust from their actions at the moment are me, scene and Lift, correct? I am liberal so chances are very low from my point of view. Now this gives us a reason why Zfr didn't want his government elected. Maybe he wanted the rotation to go forward as fast as possible, so that Hitler could be elected as fast as possible, so that he could gain trust as fast as possible before conflicts or clearing of liberals, the latter could give us enough players to cycle. That's a possible scenario, right?

The indefatigable duo are still at it. No matter, my mood is super nice this evening. :)

The genre is called social deduction. Unlike regular mafia there is very little definitive proof about player's faction alignment - in Mafia the faction is typically revealed upon lynch, which is called a flip.

So in a way sure, the guesses are not certain. But they should be informed guesses. The card draw however, is a Secret Hitler thing and is random. Nothing like that in Resistance nor Mafia.


I am currently assuming Dedo is Liberal, but more because a few others (greek and Lift) have apparently thought it through and concluded if he was Fascist he would not have told the truth about my alignment. It's a tentative working position...

By the way, did you forget to vote?

I don't see the point of circlejerking in walls of text when I said what I have to say. Does that make me a bad player? I don't know. I wrote my analyses on each situation and until we don't progress a bit I don't see much point in fingerpointing etc. So far we know that most likely dedo passed 2F to scene and claims Brasas to be liberal. I'm not sure what there is to say. I don't like to talk in circles...

The votes are in! The results are as follows.

1. The Greek (greeklover) - NO
2. Boss Kusu (kusumahendra) - NO
3. Mr. Scene (supplementscene) - NO
4. Basil the Lifter (lifthrasil) - NO
5. Bishop Bling (ZFR) - NO
6. Captain Dedo (dedoporno) - NO
7. General Warehall (RWarehall) - NO
8. The Ghost of Cristigale (adaliabooks) - NO
9. Big Brass (Brasas) - NO
10. Chief Blotunga (blotunga) - NO

The government is not approved!
The council inches slowly towards chaos!

https://i.imgur.com/z9tYTvc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/jlbZqke.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tiBLt5k.jpg

The current president is now adaliabooks, who must pick a chancellor. The chancellor cannot be anyone who was part of the previous government (dedoporno, supplementscene).

Wow, aren't we all united. An unanimous vote. :-)

Let's move on.

Amazing, isn't it? Even the dead have a vote around here. That's truly liberal and democratic! :-D

Hey, sorry guys. I've been away visiting family but back now (if a little tired). Looks like I'm just in time too.

Haven't read everything fully (mainly the last page) but skimmed it all so I think I have the gist of where we are at.

Wrong.

All they need is one more fascist policy and a well placed Hitler. What if greek or lift are Hitler?
They don't even need a fascist chancellor or president to get the third policy, the luck of the draw makes it pretty damn likely anyway after the shuffle.
So Brasas is in no way cleared, particularly if you suspect dedo is in anyway scum.

I was thinking this way at the start, but if all three fascists manage to get into government and pass a F policy then they just need a well placed and liberal seeming Hitler to win. Unlike Mafia exposing yourself as a F isn't a total loss if you've already passed an F policy.

But here's something far more interesting no one seems to be noticing or commenting on;

Sure, I get the whole include yourself as a possible fascist because no one else knows you're alignment... but referring to yourself as a possible choice for Hitler (in the third person) seems like a slip to me...
Or like he's just copying other's analysis to avoid having to do his own (because he's F and doesn't know what to say)

So here's where I think we stand. dedo is a fascist, by extension so is Brasas. scene is Hitler. Not sure who the final fascist is, presumably kusu or blotunga as none of the others particularly make sense.
There is also a possibility dedo and scene discarded 2 L cards and Brasas is being set up, but if scene is Hitler then he can't know for certain dedo is a fascist and will cover him for passing F so I find this slightly less likely.


I'm presuming we're still considering greek is the best choice for my chancellor?
Does anyone have any questions for me considering we'll be voting on my government soon?

Why is dedo and brasas fascists? I didn't understand the reasons from your posts.

And how do you see Zfr and RW? Are you convinced they are liberal?

And why do people even suspect Scene of being Hitler? This is worse than suspecting me. A fascist throwing chaos to the table maybe but Hitler playing like this?

If brasas is fascist, so is dedo, and getting proof of that now seems to me more useful than testing an unknown player. I won't forgive an unlucky draw. So I will vote no to adalia's nomination.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Mod! Mod! Zeogold edited his post and it wasn't a merger! He actually changed something! ;-)

Because Hitler supposed to be the ultra-liberal I guess.

Based on 4 F and 2 L cards left from reports

Liberal Card Odds against Percent Chance
2 5.0:1 19.999999999999996447%
1 1.7:1 59.999999999999992895%
0 5.0:1 19.999999999999996447%

Based on 5 F and 1 L Cards (ie Dedo discarded an L)

Liberal Card Odds against Percent Chance
1 2.0:1 50.000000000000000000%
0 2.0:1 50.000000000000000000%

I don't think the next election tells us a whole lot on this basis. I'm beggining to see a strategic reason why a fascist Dedo would implicate a Liberal Brasas by association, he knows there's a good chance for a FFF draw if he's discarded the L. It's a convoluted way of doing it.

If we get 1 L and 2 F it's slightly more likely Dedo is telling the truth but it's not proven.

If Greek is passed 2L it backs up Dedo's story though but then it doesn't back up Brasas. Because what is Brasas supposed to do if he's fascist?

But then again if there could have been Fascist Presidents previously who claimed to get 1 liberal card when they in fact only got 2 knowing it would cause this confusion and distrust down the line.

And that's all assuming Greek is Liberal and his story doesn't contradict his Presidents.

I'll stick to the scenario I think is true and ask:
Can anyone doublecheck the odds? I thought it was 10% odds of 3F, here it's almost twice as much...

Who screwed up the math?

You're using "back up" in two different ways here.
For dedo you mean it proves he did not lie about his draw.
For me you are using it to mean I don't get confirmed as Liberal.

It would be good if you manage to be somewhat clearer...