Well... it's a night charm offensive from ZFR and RW :)
It was kind of amusing to see them position themselves for this in advance.
On the F pass, I think it was just (bad) luck of the draw. That's the nature of this game; even if you have the government you might not have the cards, and vice versa...
So yeah... this does increase L chances for next gov, which is a silver lining - especially with greek as chancellor in whatever government we pass.
I'll snipe some replies - trying to be briefer than my usual. Then I'll post separately my reads prog as I think that's the best way to help dedo decide on investigation and help everyone else read me in turn for gov decisions.
ZFR: In defense of dedo and scene: the percentage of drawing 3F is 36%, which in itself is high enough,
but it could be even higher if some of the earlier presidents lied about results.
so reasonable :)
ZFR: _ If one of the trio dedo-brasas-scene is liberal ...
so much shade...
ZFR: Also, RWarehall, don't take it the wrong way please, ...
don't worry... he understands distancing ;)
and it's anyway time for cool-headed RW instead of hot-headed RW
ZFR: Lift, in all the times playing Secret Hitler, was such a question even necessary after a fascist policy? Did any chancellor
ever give an answer that's not 2F? Like "damn, you caught me."
An L government might choose to pass F to get the investigation instead of letting Fs mindfuck...
RWarehall: ... given Dedo and Brasas seemingly supporting each other. ...
The only reason I "supported" dedo is you and ZFR being scummy as all get out. And dedo's "support" of me was so prickly I still half wonder if he is trying to pocket me or shade me through faked distancing...
blotunga: So far scene has been in most governments so a conflict with him would strongly incriminate dedo in my eyes. Of course scene could be faking liberalism pretty well. ...
Scene is still quite credible Liberal IMO. Maybe I'm underestimating him but I don't see him faking the tunneling as scum. I think his tunneling is in context evidence of his Liberalness and not a show.
RWarehall: And to the question of why they didn't distance better...remember there is presumably no night chat. ... It's hard when you can't tell people to back off and it's hard not to step on each other's toes. ... in a game like this it would be much harder to distance votes or even distance in general.
Indeed. So congrats for the effective coordination with ZFR which you needed to pull off in public.
PS: I like that "presumably" as if you didn't know for sure :)
kusumahendra: ZFR delivers :D
heh...
ZFR: OK, here goes. This is actually not as bad as I thought it was. ...
Your meltdown you mean? :P
ZFR: I formally apologize to all fellow liberals(*) for my "shitposting" and especially to RW, adalia and greek for naming them fascists. I snapped, but that's no excuse. ...
Well timed!
ZFR: ... Brasas is right in that: even if it was not meant to be taken seriously, it doesn't help liberals in any way and only creates unnecessary "mindfucking".
(*) If my "fellow liberals" includes Brasas then these apologies specifically exclude him. ...
Make up your mind about me will you? If I'm right then you should particularly apologize to me, instead of this wounded pride pique. I do like how it makes you seem more emotionally honest - "Brasas was right, but I hate what he did to me, so blah blah" which then makes you seem more honest in general. It's a good technique.
ZFR: Because by God Brasas, ... When you so happily did all your "baiting" thinking how clever you are, did you for
once consider that maybe, just maybe, a fellow townie will bite that? ...
This is also very very good ZFR. Congrats again. The key manipulation in here is all strawman of course: that I was "happy", that I was feeling "so clever", that I gave no thought to your being Liberal, that I don't know how the tension builds much longer because of playing this in writing.
When actually I was treating you with kid gloves - I don't think I pushed that hard. From making the explicit Mystic River reference to myself raising the point you might just be a stressed townie... I even kept reaching out even after it happened - whereas your buddy RW just ignored it. I askied you to provide reads, asked you to cool off and consider that if you're Liberal my attacking you does not mean I am scum... and I did all that while thinking "Fuck, this will look like I am staging this show with him." Pure town play would not have treated with you kids gloves... but I was and am aware this is your first game as likely scum.
Which is why, because of the kind of player you are, and the fact I in general identify with you intellectually I did think this pressure might be effective. I remember how stressed I was when I was scum first time - how easy it is to see any push as "they know". The temptation to go for some crazy gambit when all seems lost. I was surprised, but even then I so much wanted it to not be true ZFR...
So the answer is No my friend. I did not consider that YOU if townie would bite that. Because that's not your character as I know it.
Respect and we will all know for sure after the game what happened.
PS: I hope I'm right and you scummily know I'm Liberal in which case you know all the above is sincere. Because it will make it even harder for you to reply :P
ZFR: PLEASE CHOOSE GREEK AS YOUR NEXT PRESIDENT AND NOT LIFT. ...
+1 This is the play
dedoporno: How does everyone feel about Brasas being investigated?
Self deprecating ironic joke alert. Although I assume most of you are not just european but young so this might go woosh...
I welcome this kind of examination because people have got to know whether or not their president is a crook. Well, I'm not a crook. dedoporno: It's my fault. ... I guess the investigation has to be the silver lining ...
The deck gives and the deck takes... silver lining of the investigation is yet to be seen - you might indeed be F. But silver lining of the deck giving L for next government is stronger. Too many would have had to have lied otherwise.