Sorry ... had two reply windows open and the forum posted the old unclosed one... here's the rest, edited to avoid repetition.

In the final version I cut the sniping comment as the reply got long. And I have voted meanwhile - noticed RW will pull WIFOM even in the voting...


@RW I had added a comment that running odds is even how you effort posted in this game earlier :)

@ZFR I had added a PS:
your not being familiar with the Clint Eastwood repertoire is a disappointment... I took you for a man of refined taste... after the game please tell me this was BS...

Other minor edits for clarity I'm countign as lost. No biggie.

And now the other replies I had drafted follow.

Heh

I don't see Adalia and particularly Blotunga as so suspicious. ZFR and RW are in a class of their own. And I think only one more Fascist to find. Hitler is more likely hiding in the greek / you / Lift bucket.

Although yes, if ZFR is Hitler then RW not busing him makes more sense.

You like bold gamibits. But do you really think town should shitpost as scum? Especially while 3 to nil?

Because sarcasm is such an amazing way for helping others understand what you think... (attention, the preceding sentence was sarcasm!)

And I'm still waiting for whatever convoluted miscommunication he will offer to explain the "inverstigate" suggestion at greek. I even gave him a possible answer, which I think is the best one he might come up with, and it requires at least 3 mistypes in one sentence...

Yeah, just look at the attacks on me :)

Of course you can't...

It was funny though... I'm due for my colonoscopy anyway so I don't mind much...

So Summary

1. ZFR avoids electionship as Chancellor. ZFR avoids discussing who he would investigate and changes his reasoning of why he would investigate his Chancellor as @ Brasas noted.

2. RWarehall vehemently defends ZFR constantly, said ZFR has said 'all the right things' convinced he is Liberal and not slightly concerned he maybe Scum despite 1. It's like he knows something about ZFR for definite rather than being 'unsure' as many of us Liberals are.

3. RWarehall is convinced DedoPorno and Brasas are fascist despite the fact DedoPorno/Brasas have acted less suspiciously than ZFR.

4. Adalia and Blotunga also are convinced ZFR is Liberal and that DedoPorno and Brasas are fascist, despite little evidence.

Note The Presidency of DedoPorno/Brasas is in competition to the presidency of RWarehall, Adalia and Blotunga. So those 2 posters being slated increases the chance of RWarehall, Adalia and Blotunga Presidency.

5. RWarehall, ZFR, Blotunga and Adalia all voted for ZFR government

6. RWarehall recomends Blotunga and Adalia governments despite knowing very little about either from what's written here. Again does RWarehall know something we don't?

7. RWarehall claims after I accuse him that a President will pass fascist policy and if this 36% chance does come up then we should both be blackballed. He's absolutely sure that 66% chance will come up and we shouldn't beleieve any investigations into RWarehall, Blotunga or Adalia

8. Curiously RWarehall despite his strong belief that DedoPorno and Scene are going to pass fascist policy now want Scene to be his Chancellor. How does this make any sense unless he simply plans to pass 2 Fascist Cards and claim Scene was passed Liberal policy?

9. I propose to RWarehall that if he trusts ZFR, Blotunga or Adalia so much that he should make them his Chancellor and not Scene, who he distrusts.

10. RWarehall changes vote - I'm guessing because he knows Fascists are voting all the same way and is trying to look less obvious. Either that or he can claim 'look I was in 2 minds on whether to elect them'

[i]If he votes No and it doesn't pass that would indicate DedoPorno is Liberal. If he votes Yes, it's either a double bluff that DedoPorno is Fascist or that Dedoporno is Liberal and he is playing a big gamble of hoping the 36% chance of 3 Fascist cards comes off. He can then claim we must be fascists.
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At this stage I'm done with debating with these 4 posters, I'm merely planning on analysing their behaviour and their voting paterns

If you read the 6 pages where we were going crazy you may have noticed RWarehall has exposed himself as a fascist and hence Liberals should be voting for the more untested Dedoporno over RWarehall. Your vote alongside the 4 fascists will block a likely Liberal government.

Given that RWarehall has changed his vote perhaps you too could change your vote?

Hmmm, RW changed his vote, probably from no to yes. If he doesn't have a problem with not being president, why should we? I am leaning towards yes.

Btw do you think Hitler knows anything about who the fascists are? If they tried to give him a hint, I am sure zfr or brasas would catch it and expose them.

I suggest one of ZFR, Adaleia and Blotunga who you have recomended as Presidental candidates would be better options for your Chancellor. This would be the best test of proving or disproving yourselves.

If you don't trust me, you shouldn't nominate me to be in your government because I certain distrust you in the sense that I think I have you figured out.

I kinda speed reading it, so most details are misses. You bring good points in your post above and it sounds reasonable to opted to more unknown candidate compared to what we know about RWarehall

I assume right now liberals think it's safer to pass this presidency than let RWarehall be president. In that case I'll change my vote

Change vote to yes

Would you like to provide any evidence to back up that claim? Pretty sure I've never expressed anything more than ambivalence towards dedo so far.
I'm more and more convinced you are fascist, Brasas quite possibly and Blotunga maybe. Beyond that it's anyone's guess.

Well, Kusu already readacted his vote, but just to confirm: yes, initially I recommended skipping dedo and voting RW into office. But after some discussion I had to revise that statement and can see advantages to voting dedo into office and skipping RW. But everyone should decide for themselves which government is better. The only thing I am sure of is, that we don't want to have both dedo and RW in office, because that would mean that we need a 3rd government before coming back to Greek.

@Scene:
I would like to caution you against tunneling. Yes, you may have found something. But it is very unlikely that all fascists and Hitler openly agree with each other. Usually at least two fascists/scum viciously disagree with each other, so that if one is found out, the other one automatically looks liberal/town. That's called distancing. In Secret Hitler it is especially frequent that a Fascist attacks Hitler - badly - so that he himself looks bad and Hitler looks like an unjustly attacked Liberal. Of course Scum know that we know that they know how to do distancing - so it's WIFOM again.

The important thing is, for all new players, don't let your guard down even if you think you have identified all fascists. It may be that you're wrong on one or two of them and it may be that the one player who supports your point of view the most is actually a Fascist using you to appear more liberal himself.

Gog managed to fuck up chat on mobile again. I can't vote until I get to a computer.

I just voted from mobile, what's the problem? Did you try going to the chat interface and typing zeogold and hit enter?

I don't know how it is screwed up for you, but I know that my mobile doesn't let me search for people from the chat interface.

If you have the same problem, then try finding a post by that person (in this case, just go to the OP of this thread to find a Zeogold post), tap/click their avatar picture to get the drop down menu, and select "Start Conversation".

If your problem is different, then I don't have any advice for you.

Since I don't want it said that I ignore answers. I meant exactly what I wrote: if greek's government passes a fascist policy, I wouldn't mind if he investigates me since I trust him (and I imagine others too).

When writing it I was pissed and had had enough of being called fascist, so I wrote it. Make a slip out of it; I couldn't care less now.

As to the rest, I won't even bother replying now. At this stage: whatever. I hope you are fascist because if you're liberal you're making terrible plays.

Does it mean I won't get my answers? I'm asking for the sixth time now.

As a reminder, in post 321 you made direct accusation against me:
"Accuses likely Liberals of being Fascist " (note the plural: but I'm willing to settle for a single person I accused, "likely liberal" or otherwise)

A moment later in post 324 you wrote that I "seem to be running from many questions in this last page" (again note the plural, even "many")

So can you or can you not give an example of either? Just a reminder that for you this was when you started accusing me, so it's kind of like a cornerstone, and later your accusations against RW and adalia are merely based on their association with me (all your accusations against them have "ZFR" in them).

Again if you're fascist then whatever, but if you're liberal then for crying out loud man, can't you even entertain the possibiliy that you're suffering from confirmation bias? That you've gotten it into your head that I'm fascist and are building everything around that idea while out there 3 fascists are laughing their asses off.

The votes are in! The results are as follows.

1. The Greek (greeklover) - YES
2. Boss Kusu (kusumahendra) - YES
3. Mr. Scene (supplementscene) - YES
4. Basil the Lifter (lifthrasil) - YES
5. Bishop Bling (ZFR) - NO
6. Captain Dedo (dedoporno) - YES
7. General Warehall (RWarehall) - YES
8. Adalia the Bookkeeper (adaliabooks) - YES
9. Big Brass (Brasas) - YES
10. Chief Blotunga (blotunga) - NO

The government is approved!

https://i.imgur.com/NdiikNw.jpg

The president and chancellor (dedoporno and supplementscene) are now bound to silence until a policy is passed.

Dedo it goes without saying I think, if you draw 2L you pass 2L.

The next step in the plan is you let them have Brasas too. So that when they fail to pass two liberal policies we can be absolutely certain they are all full of it.

With 8 cards left, the odds for the 2 liberal cards to both be at the end of the pile are: 1/28 = 3.6%.

Or in other words 96.4% certain that we gave them all the rope they needed to hang themselves. Because after they claim they drew 3F here, the odds with 2L3F in the deck are 90% to have a liberal policy available.