I don't know how you will see this but I see positively the people who voted no in the second vote with kusu president , it's on page 9 for me out of 23 pages I see. I think it was a reflex for some liberals to go from yes to the first government to no to the second.

Just reading comments and observing ... I know i will Love this

EDIT: Or, to put it in another way, I think most fascists didn't change their vote from the first to the second vote in order to not draw attention and appear agreeable. Even at this point in the game with a 3-0 fascists seem to go too much with the flow. Everyone agrees that Scene should be the next chancellor.

Why would that make sense? We had no idea about kusu's alignment. Nor did we have much to go on. I have to admit that I went with yes because of the innocent until proven guilty idea that I had in my mind. In hindsight it was probably for the better that the kusu government failed. I still learning the ropes...

OK, I'm catching up and will be with you shortly.

OK, I'm caught up.


ZFR seems to be getting a meltdown because of all the pressure. It might be a stressed townie as someone said but the progression of his posts makes and the whole "aura" of his government makes me feel he is a fascist leaning on AtE who tried to bank on the most liberal Chancellor in order to get elected and throw a wrench in the works. Ironically that still (and even more so) makes Scene as the best Chancellor choice.


@RW, do you still think ZFR is more likely liberal who is getting the wrong kind of attention?


This is what I'm thinking as well. If I were to investigate I'd rather go for one of the next presidents rather than someone who's turn passed already. The Chancellor is making the final choice but it's still the President who defines that choice. I'd go with RW since his turn is imminent and he seems to be among the more likely successful elections.


@adalia, welcome! Thanks for your input, it's what I was missing from cristi. Please, keep it going.


Does anyone have anything against Scene as my Chancellor nomination at this point and, if yes, why(@zeo, I'm still not making it official)?

You're not part of this game, so please refrain from posting in this thread.
If you PM me, I can give you a link to the observer thread.

Nope, despite my suspicions of him.
In fact I can't really see any other sensible option for chancellor at the moment, it can't be greek or lift and that leaves RWarehall as the only other semi tested candidate. Though I suppose as his presidency is a possibility it's maybe not a bad idea to have him as chancellor on the off chance he is a fascist so we don't give him free reign (of course that being said it's not like he could do that much damage, particularly if we get another liberal policy passed before then).

No. This may be the only presidential decision I ever make but it's going to be an executive one. I read about the so called "power play" and a player who I'm uncertain about, with the assumed remaining card pool, is not getting such a chance on my watch.

We are up 3-0. The fascists absolutely cannot let us get to 4-0. As i have previously stated, I've liked ZFR's contributions thus far. Doesn't mean they can't be faked, still needed to be put to an actual test.

Here's what I found interesting I was very curious to see how his turn would go. If most everyone was giving him a free pass, that would probably mean the fascists were laying off because they know the ZFR/Scene combo would give the result they wanted regardless of the cards. Instead, there was a great deal of opposition and not all from the most trusted players in the game.

So, yeah, I think he's probably a liberal. Meaningless at this point as that outcome also likely means Scene is okay too despite his misgivings. And Scene has passed liberal policies.

Of course, pretty sure this response won't satisfy you, since that makes my best guess for fascists as you, Brasas and Kusu.

@dedo: nominate away. Scene is still a good choice and I agree on not trying the possible power play route with RW as chancellor. However, if you become president, RW probably won't and vice versa. So the danger of power play is not that severe actually, even if you chose RW as chancellor.
I'm not sure yet how I will vote. You do seem rather liberal than fascist to me. But if you become president and we want to go the 'minimal number of presidents' route, then the next president would have to be Brasas. The reason: if we vote first you and then RW, we will need a third president between RW and Greek. Adalia, as he agreed himself, is basically un-electable at the moment, due to the (non)play of his predecessor Cristi. So it's either:

- you then Brasas, then Greek
or
- RW then {Brasas or blotunga} then Greek.

Im not that sure about Brasas anymore. The very late vote in the last round did look weird, there I agree with RW. Also 'NO' as default doesn't really help town. It also isn't exactly fascist. It's just not very useful and @Brasas, I would ask you to drop that strategy. IMO each vote should be a case by case decision for two reasons: 1. if you are liberal, you will want to place the vote that is best for the liberals. 2. as a liberal, you want to be readable and votes plus the reason given for them are what the others can read. If you keep saying 'my default is NO because it's my default', that's neither really readable nor does it help in establishing liberal governments.

So, back to the next government. After thinking it through, dedo+RW and then Brasas+Scene might work too, actually. Scene as a trusted chancellor, who acted liberal so far (and will at that point not yet be in a dangerous position, even if he should be Hitler) might offset the insecurity concerning Brasas. If we're lucky, one of these combination will pass a liberal policy before the re-shuffle and, for example, Greek+me could then get to end the game after the re-shuffle.

OK. I talked a bit about analyzing votes. Let's do that a bit. Let's have a look at different hypothetical compositions of the last suggested government. As RW stated, the fascists will have to avoid a 4-0

1.) ZFR = F and Scene = F --> fascists would definitely vote YES, since this combination would ensure a F policy
2.) ZFR = F and Scene = L --> fascists would still vote YES. Drawing 2L is very unlikely at this point. So F-ZFR could have passed 2F to L-Scene, claiming that he drew 3F.
3.) ZFR = L and Scene = regular F --> fascists would probably vote YES, knowing that Scene will most probably not get 2L and therefore can pass 1F, blaming ZFR for it.
4.) ZFR = L and Scene = H --> difficult to say. Fascists might vote no to avoind conflict conserve the status that H-Scene has gained. Or they decide that passing a F policy is more important than avoiding conflict.
5.) ZFR = L and Scene = L --> fascists would obviously have to vote NO.

So, conclusion: if you think that at least one of ZFR or Scene is a fascist, you should also be suspicious of those who voted Yes. If you think that ZFR and Scene are both liberal, look for the fascists among the No-voters.

Let's not quibble over the facts. Scene has been part of two liberal policies.

The first with Greek, the 2nd with me. The first being first opens up the option of an early misdirection, that does not make it a certainty by any means. While the second involved passing 2L, it was not completely devoid of meaning. It was for me, because that excluded options I can already exclude, but for everyone else...

If Scene and I were both fascists, wouldn't you imagine that Scene would instead pass 1L1F (or lie about such), confirming both of us? He didn't thus, it should be clear that at most one of us could be a fascist.

If Scene were a fascist and I were Hitler, he would similarly lie to confirm me.

All other combinations are still seemingly possible including Scene-Hitler, me-fascist, but the group should have learned something from it.

Agree with part 1, it's either dedoporno or RW, but not both, and I already explained why I am voting no for dedoporno

Disagree with part 2, I prefer Scene as a chancellor with the next government believing he's liberal and will give us true info on what he received. If there is a conflict between RW and Scene I would like to know it as soon as possible.