OK. Let's get RWarehall tested and see what we can conclude from the results.

CURRENT PROPOSED GOVERNMENT
President: Mr. Scene (supplementscene)
Chancellor: General Warehall (RWarehall)

Please PM me your yes/no votes on whether you wish for this setup or not, if you haven't done so already. There must be a majority "yes" for this to pass. Once yet again, in the future, if you're the president and officially choosing your chancellor, please make the announcement in bold so that it's clear to everyone what's happening.

https://i.imgur.com/bt4fFD9.jpg

As a new member of Zeo's cult, I'd like to mention that I greatly enjoy Zeo's fluff text, which gives a happy color to our grey political discussions.

If it's the first game with a new group of people, then almost always yes. If I know the nominator/nominees/players well, then it depends on what I know about them.

Letting it stand.
Lift and RWarehall had a pretty reasonable explanation on why they voted.

I found Scene's reaction strange. He said he doesn't trust me, explained why and yet voted yes. The only reason to vote for a person whom you don't trust is if you plan to get information (and think the reward of information vs risk of fascist policy warrants it). So I'm curious what kind of information was he expecting. If a liberal vote is passed what did he learn? If a fascist is passed, what did he learn?

This fellow Brasas also stood out in the sense that he provided no explanation of his reaction whatsoever, other than the usual "I vote NO".

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I'm worried now that confirmation bias will make me biased against Scene, now that this altercation appeared. I never meant this to be an attack against him. I was just doing an analysis and drawing out all possibilities, which any liberal should be doing. A fascist doesn't have to analyze; he knows who's who. A liberal cannot just have a plan of "vote liberal and hope for the best"; he has to try and flush the fascists out.

If someone says if X an Y are true then ZFR could be fascist because A, B and C and gives sound reasoning then personally I'm happy to see they're analyzing.

Scene, I'm saying all this because if you are liberal, I don't want you to think I'm picking on you or anything. My initial analysis was a response to blotunga and an explanation of why (especially in a group of new people), a first liberal policy needn't be as indicative to the nature of the chancellor and president as he thought. It wasn't aimed at greek and you; it would have been the same analysis if the members of the government who passed the first liberal policy were Bigfoot and Slim Shady. Your initial reaction seemed odd and continued reaction seems odd too. I'm trying to put myself in the mind of a new liberal player, new fascist player, and experienced fascist pretending to be newbie player, who are in your situation and see how each would behave/react and I'm... not sure. You could be either. There is something odd about this whole thing, but I can't put my finger on it.

Just wanted to say, that I'd disagree here.

If I were looking at thins objectively, I think Hitler would be the last person wanting to create this kind of stink around himself, and would just quickly vote yes.

I agree that it seems that neither liberal, nor fascist nor Hitler would reject his own nomination, but I swear that the pros and cons I mentioned were exactly what I was considering for and against when I weighed my decision. I believe in the no lying policy and wanted to be completely open to everyone about my decision.
I was close to changing my mind and voting yes, till I saw Scene's post about voting for me. The I realized there is so much confusion about this nomination now that it's probably best to just let it rest in peace.

Because my conclusion from your objection to the Chancelorship was that it would be a strategy Hitler himself would pick. Hitler can't appear to be fascist so if he is a Chancelor early he must vote for Liberal policy. This hurts the fascist cause so Hitler's best cause of action is to state he doesn't want to be Chancelor for whatever reason.

So having yourself as Chancelor early is sound Liberal strategic play. If you are Hitler you have to push through Liberal a agenda and if you are Liberal you also do. And if a Fascist policy is passed the President can investigate you and with all due respect if that happens

For these reasons I advice Liberals to nominate you for Chancellor before the 3 or 4 Fascist policies are passed and I strongly considered doing so myself this turn.

I also advice liberal Presidents to investigate you at any chance because if you are Hitler that would give us the unlikely power play.

It's nowhere near, it's in fact 76.92%

@Zeo you're enjoying this authoritarian German stereotype a tad too much.

I thought it was quite clear from the intonations of my voice that I was using an Austrian accent, with a subtle hint of Bielefeldian dialect.
You people just don't appreciate fine theater.

Not a fascist but when you quote try to delete some/all of the stuff between the [quotes], it makes it easier to read.

Btw, you said it first but ZFR would be my first pick for investigation :)

I would also like to warn fellow liberals that a fascist may sacrifice himself to make Hitler apprar trustable, and Hitler may " throw a fascist under the train" for the same reason.

I can only imagine us all playing Diplomacy in real life.

Bielefeld is in Germany (Northrein-Westphalia), quite in the east of Germany, nowhere near Austria. So we just caught you on a lie.
I'm not quite sure how Hitler could throw anyone under the bus, since according to the rules he knows just as much as the rest of us.
And from where I stand the quiet ones are the most dangerous because we have very little to go on them.
I might be mistaken of course.

By the way, I voted YES on this government. It's going to give good reads/info. One person who was part of a liberal government and one unknown. Should be good either way.

Ah yes you are right, the guide was referring to the situation where Hitler has discovered a fascist.

Yes, all votes have to be given and have to be considered, since all votes will be revealed and it can give us information to look at who voted what. In that way fascists cannot hide behind 'accidentally' not voting due to RL delays.

Actually I am happy with the rhythm of the game. I thought it would be much slower but we are doing good until now.