Yes, after three failed elections, everything falls into chaos, the top policy from the deck is enacted (although any powers associated with it, if any at all, are not used), the presidency passes, and anybody can be chancellor.

There is no "policy peek" in this game due to the number of players. That power is instead replaced with allowing the president to pick the next president.
Jut for kicks, I'll explain it anyways. In game that DOES include the "policy peek", remember, this occurs after a fascist policy has just been enacted. This would mean that the current president (the one that just enacted a fascist policy) will be seeing the top 3 cards that the next president will draw.
Correct. Mr. Scene could very well nominate Boss Kusu as chancellor if he so desires. Just not our fine Greek fellow.

Yes, this was very apparent when I played Resistance here in the Forum. The other side of it is that you can remember the votes from previous governments much easier. They're written... which no one ever does IRL.

So, considering your experience. Do you usually vote Yes to the first resistance team proposal?

There will be a lot of water under the bridge between now and then.
Especially if nominated gov members discuss their choices openly (making it hard for fascists to think lies through) and we continue to have discussions on government formation.

Kindly expand on this, more sure about voting No, or letting No stand?

And what (who?) stood out in the reactions you saw?


Talk to Wyrm about usual approach to VoteCounts. I think you can try to do this when players prompt you instead of per some schedule.

I do agree it makes some sense, I think I mentioned it (if not I thought about it) when we played Resistance here.


Taking the opportunity. My vote on the next government is No. That means I'm giving Lift a pass to choose a chancellor... let's see what happens.

I'm not surprised at all that nobility does get all that democratic voting stuff mixed up! Not your kind of government structure, huh, count? ;-)

(Yes, this was a joke again. I am perfectly aware that cristigale probably isn't a count in real life! )

Looking forward to see whom scene nominates. I'm still not decided on the whole Scene/ZFR interaction. They seem to be at odds, but I'm unsure if one of them is fascist/Hitler? Or both and they try the distancing game? Or are they two liberals mistrusting each other while the fascists watch silently?

In any case one of the things that have been said seemed so sensible to me that it warrants repeating: fascists may hide in lurkiness in this game. At a table that doesn't work as well, but here in the forum we have to be wary of lurkers. So if someone gets nominated who didn't participate much, I would tend to vote NO as well. This is also a call to all liberals: participate as much as your RL time allows. You WANT to be readable by your fellow liberals. There are no power-roles to hide and the fascists know anyhow who the liberals are.

ZFR is a traitor!!! He has a code for Neverwinter Nights on Steam and wants to trade it!

Who to pick?

Well General Warehall stated he believed I was Liberal, if he was Fascist/Hitler would he have done so knowing I am in fact Liberal? My only concern if he did this as a Fascist knowing my turn as President was coming up.

Lifthrasil - seems to be playing an open and honest game. Hasn't tried to raise suspicion over any other players

Bishop Bling/ZFR - I'm interested in testing my theory here. If he is a Liberal or even Hitler he passes any Liberal card. If he's fascist he passes Fascist policy. If Fascist policy is passed I can use it to find out who ZFR is. The problem for the rest of you is you don't know whether I'm fascist or liberal and in fact lying about what I've found out. If fascist policy does go through this would freeze both ZFR and myself Mr Scene out of future governments but maybe a sacrifice worth making.

kusumahendra - His pick seemed reasonable last round but I don't feel we know enough about him just yet.

Blotunga - I have my suspicions rightly or wrongly so won't be nominating, I trust him more than a few other players though.

Dedoporno - did cast doubts on the last liberal government, which a fascist would do and he's also talked out in support of ZFR. Is he a fascist, only he and ofcourse the fascists know

Brasas - seems to be playing his cards close to his chest, hasn't given any tell one way or another.

Christigale - we know nothing, very very quiet player, suspicious or busy? Suspicious to me

So for those reasons for me it's between those first 3 players but I'm open to hearing your thoughts.

I like the General because he agreed with my strategy and we could cycle the chancellor between the 3 of us until a fascist policy passes or a conflict appears

Lift might choose Scene for chancellor, Scene might choose Lift for chancellor... please explain what you see as the more information we have a greater chance of getting from agreeing to whatever Scene proposes now?

Try to convince me. As zeo just said, votes can change. But I don't see why you are so sure of the game state...

Note that no Chancellor has been nominated as of yet, as I am awaiting other peoples input. But Generall Warehall is my current favourite for the reasons given above.

I'm tempted to go with ZFR because of the curiosity of him campaigning against his own nomination but don't think I will as of yet.

Brasas approach is unusual but he either sees Liftraisal as the most Liberal or both are Fascists. This is perhaps another reason to choose Warehall although I do think if I had to choose I'd consider them both Liberal at this moment.

I am not sure of the game state, I just built this scenario in my mind that Scene and the General are liberals and we get an easy victory by cycling the 3 of us. About the better chance, if I wete a fascist in place of Scene, I would pass a fascist policy in the first round and start a conflict, so I assume that Scene is either a liberal of Hitler.

I think for the cycling idea we would need at least one more trusted Liberal. Otherwise the cycling doesn't work. Both president and chancellor are term locked after serving and we only can vote no a certain number of times before a random policy is passed - which is more likely fascist than liberal.

Also, even if some will see this as a 'grab for power', I am quite willing to serve as chancellor. Since I am up next as President this would be a way around the term locking and would ensure that this and the next government has at least one Liberal in it. I understand Brasas' argument from an information gathering point of view, but I think we have a chance of passing two more liberal policies and in the end passing liberal policies is the best way to win this, since killing Hitler is quite unlikely.

In any case I am withholding my vote until Scene has actually proposed a chancellor.

I read a strategy guide :D and this was considered a "power play" meaning to nominate a chancellor that is next to be president. I am bit hesitant about this, you understand that for us liberals who don't have enough info on you, it's quite the risk.

To be clear, because he said he thinks you're Liberal?

Can you expand what's so unusual in your opinion?

If the government proposal was you and greek I might vote Yes to see how long you two take us. But it isn't, and therefore I have little reason to prefer you to Lift... so I'd rather see us we get more votes and how they shake out.


So let's be clear - this is near impossible, even if indeed the 3 of you are Liberal. As I understand the odds (but I have not calculated) there is almost zero chance that you can glide through without voting in a few fascists policies. How long is everyone else supposed to hang on, while the 3 of you do whatever you want to do on faith?

I assume that typo was intended as "were"

I also assume your assuming others think the same way you do will not end well... statistically at least.

If Scene is F, then you just gave him the keys to the realm. Maybe he planned it that way?
And if he is Hitler, even moreso...

Regardless, I see no odds being calculated or presented clearly. Looks to me you just believe what you want to believe... the question is if that is Liberal faith, or Fascist certainty.

Your logic is correct, but I don't like you. You were quiet until now, and you didn't tell us why you voted no for the first government. You concentrate too much on getting info from others and analyzing it and you don't give us enough info about yourself. If you are liberal, how the hell will we find out?