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Lifthrasil: The reverse is much less likely.
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ZFR: Why would you say that? I can see dedo+Brasas being linked, but what's your reasoning behind greek too? i.e. if Brasas is declared F by your test, why do you say it likely implicates greek too?
Did I say that? Where?

I didn't say anything about direct implications, only about likelihoods of scenarios concerning Brasas' alignment. I already went over that in detail.

And I said that within that camp, among the eligible members (i.e. not Greek), Brasas has the highest probability of being liberal.
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ZFR: Why would you say that? I can see dedo+Brasas being linked, but what's your reasoning behind greek too? i.e. if Brasas is declared F by your test, why do you say it likely implicates greek too?
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Lifthrasil: Did I say that? Where?

I didn't say anything about direct implications, only about likelihoods of scenarios concerning Brasas' alignment. I already went over that in detail.
Ok I see. Thanks.
CURRENT PROPOSED GOVERNMENT
President: Basil the Lifter (Lifthrasil)
Chancellor: Big Brass (Brasas)

Do I even have to give instructions at this point? VOTE!
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ZFR: Why would you say that? I can see dedo+Brasas being linked, but what's your reasoning behind greek too? i.e. if Brasas is declared F by your test, why do you say it likely implicates greek too?
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Lifthrasil: Did I say that? Where?

I didn't say anything about direct implications, only about likelihoods of scenarios concerning Brasas' alignment. I already went over that in detail.

And I said that within that camp, among the eligible members (i.e. not Greek), Brasas has the highest probability of being liberal.
You said that " it's the Brasas/greek/dedo (+Scene?) camp that is under test", this is what created the impression that if brasas turns out fascist, dedo who investigated him is a fascist, and you will also put me in the same bucket. I didn't like the sound of this.
Just pass that fucking L now, or we'll be talking forever about the next chancellor :)
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greeklover: I have trusted brasas and his reads during the game and at the moment I trust him as much as most of the table who voted their preference for brasas being chancellor. If he turns out to be a fascist, that's not my problem.
*blinks* How is it "not your problem"? You claim to be a liberal and then turn around and say stuff like that. You can't even bother to pretend now?


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greeklover: You said that " it's the Brasas/greek/dedo (+Scene?) camp that is under test", this is what created the impression that if brasas turns out fascist, dedo who investigated him is a fascist, and you will also put me in the same bucket. I didn't like the sound of this.
But you were all for me, Adalia and ZFR getting blacklisted if one of us turned out to be fascist. What's this double standard?
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greeklover: I have trusted brasas and his reads during the game and at the moment I trust him as much as most of the table who voted their preference for brasas being chancellor. If he turns out to be a fascist, that's not my problem.
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ashwald: *blinks* How is it "not your problem"? You claim to be a liberal and then turn around and say stuff like that. You can't even bother to pretend now?

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greeklover: You said that " it's the Brasas/greek/dedo (+Scene?) camp that is under test", this is what created the impression that if brasas turns out fascist, dedo who investigated him is a fascist, and you will also put me in the same bucket. I didn't like the sound of this.
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ashwald: But you were all for me, Adalia and ZFR getting blacklisted if one of us turned out to be fascist. What's this double standard?
I had said before that I don't accept being in a camp. You accepted.
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ZFR: You're there by default. Together with adalia and dedo. The only difference is that ash dropped from that bucket to the penultimate place.
Hmmm. And if Greek was an option? Where'd you place him?

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greeklover: Sooooo, did you bang?
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Lifthrasil: Won't tell. :-) But it was an AWESOME weekend! :-D
@all
He banged...


Jokes aside I hope Lift draws the L. His points about the difficult next play if we get unlucky were good - together with the investigation I am reading him more Liberal than Greek. But this game is dragging... I hope we just win it now.

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Lifthrasil: The only thing that disturbs me is how sure Brasas seems to be of his camp members. Only fascists can be sure ...
I am NOT that sure overall. I am very sure you are L because I think Greek F and you H is unlikely (but I haven't examined it very deeply). I am also very sure ZFR is F and RW / ash as well - I want to believe ZFR so much, but I don't buy it. If he / they had immediately taken the recent approaches after that slip I would probably be much less sure.

Anyway the other reads kind of follow from that, but if you think I had not noticed odd behaviors from Greek and Scene, or that I don't consider Dedo might have pocketed me, that's just me not waffling and sitting on it. The case against Greek and Scene becomes more important only IF we get to 3F IMO. Which does not mean I am sure, I just act as if.

Because what's the point otherwise? Not how I play basically - remember when I helped lose us that game where Flubb voted me out of day start at LyLo, and I tunneled on him? It's not like I had no doubts - but at some point you might as well throw a coin to decide, in the middle of the WIFOM (especially when you don't know the players - and I had never played Flubb - plus he is inscrutable on purpose) - so no point waffling IMO.

Now if you were very sure it would be a tell :) Because you always waffle ;)
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ZFR: You're there by default. Together with adalia and dedo. The only difference is that ash dropped from that bucket to the penultimate place.
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Brasas: Hmmm. And if Greek was an option? Where'd you place him?
Right after me. Or even before me as top pick.
If he's liberal we won, if he's Hitler he has to expose himself to Lift. At the very least he'll be termlocked.
OK. Now we wait for the votes - and then we hope that I draw at least 1L.
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greeklover: I had said before that I don't accept being in a camp. You accepted.
I did nothing of the sort. If anything, you are the one that claimed ownership of a camp in post 1265:

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greeklover: Oh, and I am not accepting Scene in my camp:)
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greeklover: I had said before that I don't accept being in a camp. You accepted.
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ashwald: I did nothing of the sort. If anything, you are the one that claimed ownership of a camp in post 1265:

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greeklover: Oh, and I am not accepting Scene in my camp:)
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ashwald:
Fine, I confused you with Adalia. And I am a camp by myself, happy now?
In any case, if Lift needs to appoint a president, we'll vote our preferences again.
So we Liberals may have won.......but if we haven't.....

The odds of no Liberal card being picked up in 2 draws are very low, a 20% chance from my calculations (0.55x.0.36). That would mean it's very likely, ie 80% chance, either Greek or Lift or Brasas discarded a card

Should all 3 of Greek, Lift and Brasas be blacklisted if this government fails? There will be a 80% chance a Liberal policy has been discarded in these 2 rounds.

Thoughts?
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ashwald:
And as always, you didn't quote my other post where I said the Greek does not belong in camps or something like that.
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ashwald:
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greeklover: And as always, you didn't quote my other post where I said the Greek does not belong in camps or something like that.
I don't see you quoting it. Funny that.
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greeklover: I said the Greek does not belong in camps or something like that.
I agree. Hitler is all by himself.