Kusu, if you trust Brasas, vite No here and let Lift choose him as chancellor.

That's a strategy, bro! A liberal doesn't have to be perfect and always say the right things. A fascist always calculates his posts. I was talking a lot and sometimes carelessly on purpose. The more I talked, the more I created a scapegoat for those who wanted to promote the scenario of me being Hitler. And guess what happened. And it happened mostly after I drew FFF and investigated Lift. They united against me because they absolutely needed to find a fascist between me and Lift and exposed themselves. Maybe you had already guessed, but these attacks towards me is what told me for sure that Zfr, RW and Adalia are scum, and I bet other liberals got the same impression.

@Lift Your suggestion about openness is good, for the last government fascists took a risk partly because it was sure to be voted and partly because they had >50% chance for FFF. Now they don't have this.

So my preferences would be:

Scene
Lift
Brasas
Greek (maybe not as chancellor though)
Kusu or Dedo
Blotunga
ZFR
Adalia
Ashwald/RWarehall

This list LOL. So The Greek at the very bottom despite being the second most likely Liberal in the game. ZFR and Ashwald at 3 and 4 despite the rage quiting of RWarehall, the group play and both being completely untested???

If you are fascist though, which I think you are from this list, this is either:

A) Trying to stop Greek because he's Lib
B) Trying to distance from Greek because he's Hitler

Except once you've played a few games of mafia you find that 80% of such ploys are actually just excuses from scum who have been caught out, and the remaining 20% just make townies look bad.

But you know, you keep telling yourself that you're soooooo liberal. Maybe the rest of us might eventually believe it.

No, greek is at the bottom because he is the most likely Hitler.
I reject your analysis of any 'group play' and have seen nothing from ZFR that indicates he might be scum. RWarehall I happen to be pretty good at reading one way or the other, see game 46 if you want an example. I literally put my life on the line on my certainty of a town read on him in that game.
I believe he is liberal in this game too, and the quitting really has nothing to do with alignment.

Seriously? You believe it's possible that I'm a fascist and greek is Hitler, despite practically every other post of mine warning against that possibility?
That's some pretty strong reverse psychology I'm using then...

Anyway, how can you find it hilarious that I think he's Hitler and won't trust him in government when you clearly are considering the option too?

I've changed my mind, I prefer Brasas to scene in that list. Between Kusu voting yes to scene's government and getting a bit defensive about it and scenes constant and unfounded accusations I find it quite possible they are a scum team. Either along side dedo and greek or in a completely different configuration.

If my President does come off I'd pick Greek as next president, which gives several advantages

A) Stops the risk of Greek as a possible Hitler finishing the game as Chancellor
B) 2 likely Liberals set up
C) Sets up Scene and Lift as the following presidents. Most likely Lift as I won't be trusted if I can't draw a Liberal card.

C is one of the strongest points.

If we go Lift-Brasas and it fails, then what?

Brasas (pres) and - Scene/Greek? - If Greek is Hitler, game over.
Greek (pres) and - Scene/who else??

Lift-Brasas would be a likely Liberal team but short sighted imo.

It's called distancing and it works especially well if you've been pegged a fascist. IE 'a fascist not wanting Greek must mean he's liberal'.

As for the hilarity, it's the whole list.

And as for me not knowing if Greek or anyone is Hitler, how would I as a Liberal?

Until people vote, let's watch something

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_rB36UGoP4Y

I'm willing to try and play it safe with Lift/you - if greek is to be trusted it does seem like the most secure choice, I guess. Either way, having you as the final policy authority works for me in both situations.


That's what she said.

How's your progress through the minutes going? Enough to vote? Or do you need more time? Sorry if that sounds impatient. I am aware that jumping in so late in a game is hard work.

Heh, I'm currently typing my J'accuse!

My wall-o-text doesn't seem to be posting so... test.

Take care that you close all quotes and other BBcodes. Mismatched brackets or terms lead to your post not being posted.

Also, on the offchance you have it, make sure your post doesn't contain + followed by 91.

Looks like it's too big? Well here goes:


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To begin with, as far as voting goes, I'm not sure what the best strategy for liberals is at this point. Trying to broaden the pool of somewhat trustworthy people by testing players that haven't previously been in government, or trying to force a fascist/Hitler to expose themselves by using someone deemed untrustworthy? Both have merits.

In case of the second though, I'm worried that a possible Hitler (or fascist) Greek will have leeway for re-election and would rather he not be part of any government from now on. He's probably planned for the event of people not trusting him for chancellor to some degree since he seems to have made a switch to "It's okay to make me a president too" lately. More details below, but I would like to hear what everyone else thinks on this matter.

One could say that everything is circumstantial indications rather than evidence and that greek can't be Hitler because it's all too attention-grabbing/easy. But since Hitler's best chance normally is to pretend to be a liberal, being an actual liberal is even less likely. There's no benefit to be gained from this, he just looks... weird. So he's either a very very cocky Hitler counting on "Nah, can't possibly..." as a cover, or a fascist trying to draw attention away from actual Hitler by making noise. Either way, not someone I'd be comfortable having in positions of power at this point.

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Now I'm not exactly Sherlock Holmes, but I do have a knack for getting caught up in pesky details. So here's a bunch of things that seem off to me.

A reminder:

Supplementscene and greeklover pass the first liberal policy, and each proceeds to subtly imply (posts 99, 117) that the other might in fact be an undercover fascist.
Supplementscene then tries to accuse ZFR and dedoporno of being fascists by misinterpretting the rules (supposedly because he is a newbie). He gets called out on it, eases up on dedoporno but continues the attack on ZFR for the whole game. Greeklover joins in at some point and so does Brasas.

They're all suspicious to me. They're not the only ones, but they're the most off of the bunch.

Supplementscene you've bitten on a target and you refuse to let go no matter what, even if it means making up lies about people you accuse, eg. saying they're perfectly harmonised in covering up and making excuses for each other's behavior. ZFR and RW frequently analysed or at least aknowledged the possibility of one another being a fascist or Hitler. So did Adalia. ZFR actually asked RW or dedo to be investigated (posts 861, 870, 933). This doesn't add up.

Brasas, your style during the whole game seems like you're either a) trolling merely for fun or to get specific reactions for everyone else (regardless of your alignment), b) disapppointed with the flow of the game and not very invested in it apart from the potential lulz, c) for whatever reason everything has been going swimmingly for your side and there's no need for you to step up. All this seems too risky for me if coming from a liberal.

And Greeklover, your obsession with assasinations, starting with a seemingly offhand joke at post 99, then becoming a staple from post 970 onwards isn't really helping your case any. It certainly doesn't make you look more liberal.

That's quite the emphasis there on "your liberal majority". Are you trying to tell someone something? Someone like Hitler perhaps?

Possible Hitler? Maybe, maybe not. Looks more suspicious combined with the below.

Might be a bit of a stretch, but in light of post 483 these could also be coordination amongst fascists, aiming to let Hitler know they're all in it together.

Assassination reference.

You didn't even wait for a day to give people time to voice their opinions. Why?