The question is:

As a Liberal do I want to run for President or not given there is a 45% chance a Liberal card was discarded last round? That would mean there was 7 F cards and only 1 L card remaining. Giving a 62.5% chance I will draw FFF. But if no Liberal card was discarded I have a 64% chance of drawing a Liberal or 2 Liberal cards. If Greek did discard a card last round I would be blamed for drawing FFF and be cast out of the game.

I think Ideally I would prefer to run as Chancellor alongside a confirmed Lift as President.

Given group play is the major red flag, how about you comment on the theory that RWarehall leaving the game may in fact be a smokescreen ploy to hide a hidden Hitler?

Like I said that part of the accusation is redundant because that was never the biggest red flag against you ZFR. The group play has been going on for weeks and weeks now. But before that the bigger red flags were refusing chancellorship and not wanting to discuss investigations. Those are both suspicious

Anyway back to this point, which you're right I overstated at the time. You definitely said 'suspicious' about me twice and I think Greek was the second. If anyone else wants to re-read the early pages of the game they can. I see little purpose in going through them again now.

In retrospect I may not have gone as hard on you initially but I think in doing so it has forced errors on a few players parts. Either that or they're using Appeal To Emotion to blindside players.

Not that I'm trying to clear the guy since I do believe he is F but that particular action from his side is not unprecedented. I've seen him rage quit from at least one other game in the past in a very similar fashion where he got into a heated argument with another player. I can't say I approve such behavior or RW's tendency to outburst and resort to name-calling since the whole thing wanders a bit off in kettle/pot territory but to each their own. Long story short - him wanting out shouldn't be taken as alignment indicative.

So, as you see your whole case against me is a self-fulfilling prophecy (vicious circle)? You made an initial, by your own admission weak, assumption against me, and after that anything I did, and any people associating with me, were scum by definition, which in your mind made the case against me stronger, in turn making those associating with me more scummy and so on and so on.

For example, did any single other president discuss investigations before forming a government? Yet you only found this a "bigger red flag" against me.

As to your first question, yes I do consider a dedo-Brasas-RW-greek scum team (that's why I'm still writing to you in case you're just a misguided liberal). But why change the subject.

Yes, I read. Your first sentence is "And something else. If brasas is a fascist, he can only be Hitler.". Then full stop. The "If you believe I'm liberal". That makes it look like the first sentence is your scenario, and the second the reasoning behind the first.

If you mean were referring to a scenario where where you are liberal and brasas is fascist, you should have written:
"And something else. If brasas is fascist and I'm liberal, he can only be Hitler.... etc."

@Lift. *If* we reach the stage where you have to choose the next president (and the fact that most players whom I regard as F keep suggesting that we will, kind of makes me think we will), could I ask you a favour, and could you please consider my own candidacy? I'm asking you to take a couple of minutes and just do an objective, un-biased analysis of me.

Because I swear to God, from the beginning this game seems to be a "who can throw the most baseless accusations against ZFR".

Other than the case where I rejected my nomination, which I concede might look suspicious, but which as I explained started with an innocent question to kusu, I have been accused of, among others:

_ Being "suspicious" of another player. I can't give specifics, because the accuser scene can't give them.
_ Refusing to commit myself to investigate a particular person in advance, before actually reaching that point. No other president did that. And I was completely transparent and willing to do a complete discussion if I ever reach that point...
... but ...
_ When I make a, fairly reasonable, request from you to name a chancellor in advance so I know whether to pass the government to you, I get accused by greek of giving info to fascists.
_ Asking greek to investigate me.
_ "Associating" with RW. RW is suspicious because he associates with me.
_ Waiting (??) before I make a reply.
_ Asking RW not to leave.
_ ...

Brasas at least made a consistent (albeit in my opinion weak; but you be the judge of that) case against me and backs it up with concrete posts. But with scene and greek, the other 2 main accusation throwers, it really looks like it's random, haphazard and without any backing from concrete posts I made. It doesn't matter that they're baseless accusations, or even self-contradictory, as long as they're there.

The problem is that I'm being discredited without having done anything. But it's "ZFR this", "ZFR that", and subconsciously other players start to think something is wrong about me. There is no smoke without fire. And this artificially limits your choice to the Brasas-dedo-scene team. Can't choose ZFR. Can't choose RW who assosiates with ZFR. Can't choose adalia for that reason too. Can't choose kusu. Can't choose blotunga.
But if you look closely, it's exactly that: smoke without fire.

So, all I'm asking is for you to consider, without bias, the case against me. Look at my chancellorship refusal (how it started and how it blew out of proportion. Look at Brasas's case against me. And at the accusations scene and greek keep throwing. Only please do it without any preconceived assumptions. And consider me for next president.

Because we are just 1 step away from winning, but if we limit ourselves now to cycling from the limited pool of Greek, you, Brasas, dedo and scene we will lose. 2 of those being fascists are enough to ensure no liberal policy passes. And between the easy "I was passed FFF" and assassination powers, we could be screwed before we turn around.

From my side, if you nominate me as next president, I promise a full discussion on whom to choose as a chancellor. Even before you nominate me.

The votes are in! The results are as follows.

1. The Greek (greeklover) - NO
2. Boss Kusu (kusumahendra) - NO
3. Mr. Scene (supplementscene) - NO
4. Basil the Lifter (Lifthrasil) - NO
5. Bishop Bling (ZFR) - YES
6. Captain Dedo (dedoporno) - NO
7. General Warehall (RWarehall) - NO
8. Adalia the Bookkeeper (adaliabooks) - NO
9. Big Brass (Brasas) - NO
10. Chief Blotunga (blotunga) - NO

The government is not approved!
The council slowly inches towards chaos!

The current president is supplementscene, who must pick a chancellor. The chancellor cannot be anyone who was a part of the previous government (greeklover and Lifthrasil).

It's weekend again. So my presence here will be limited.

And I started work so during the week I have little time only in the evenings... The game dragged on longer than I thought. Anyway, time for scene to pick a chancellor.

The only way I'd vote for a scene government is if I was the chancellor.

But as I doubt anyone else would vote for that (and I doubt even more that scene would nominate me considering I'm part of his axis of evil) I think the better bet is to continue on to Lift.

That being said I'm not happy with dedo or Brasas as chancellor as I think there's a strong chance they are both scum, but I know they are the logical choices for a lot of other people...

Not really sure what else there is to say, the game has gone on a bit longer than I'd expected to and I'm working over the weekend so don't have a lot of time either.

suggesting that we will =/= considering that we might

Also, I would not go as far as putting kusu/blotunga in the same bucket as you/RW/adalia. And Adalia even is not at same level as you/RW to be honest.

heh

If we go for a Scene pres gov, how does that affect the next gov after that for chancellor choice - because I think most everyone finds Lift more trustworthy than you, and so havign you as Pres instead of skipping toi Lift is a trade off

To some extent, you are making the decision easy, in that you seem to not want to be pres... kinda ironic really.

Who would your choice be and why? Apart from yourself, of course.

ZFR ROCKS!

ZFR IS THE BEST!

I DRINK TO ZFR!

Honestly I don't know at this stage.. I would pick me but I know no one else probably would.

I do believe ZFR and RWarehall are probably liberal but I know no one else would go for them and I'm not sure I trust my reading on either of them enough to take a punt at this stage.

Which only really leaves Kusu and Blotunga, and while I've not got any particular vibes about either that's not really a ringing endorsement.

I actually think the best play here may be to nominate a potential Hitler (though my suspect of greek is out of the running) as it would force them to out themselves if you passed them 1L and 1F or they would lose. Though obviously that means we're even less likely to get an L in this rotation if we know one has been buried.

So who do you think is likely to be Hitler?

Drink less.