FTFY :P

AM4 coolers are compatible with the AM5 socket.

Wow I never considered that. I just thought the 3300Xs were being hoarded / scalped because of performing so well. Didn't think at all that there was an element of non-artificial shortage. Going by this, I wonder if there's going to be a (bigger) scarcity of budget parts as older manufacturing processes are phased out.

It could probably hit GPU manufacturing too or would it be safe to assume it won't matter as much because GPU manufacturing has costs other than just the cost of making the chips (like PCB and VRAM costs)?
I'm not savvy enough to know how much increasing the cache would improve performance but going by recent announcements, the 7600X is going to be $300 anyway, with 38MB total cache.

Windows 11 did require Zen2 or later and the equivalent on Intel. Though that turned out to be a blessing in disguise for people with older parts, I don't doubt someone would platform-lock a new important feature / software if they though they could get away with it.
Yes, I just saw that too, some cooler manufacturers are showing AM4 and AM5 mounting with the same kit. So as long as the cooler companies themselves don't do something to differentiate their mounting systems, old coolers at least can be carried over.

I'll just leave these here. :P

AMD Ryzen 5 7600X Review
AMD Ryzen 7 7700X Review
AMD Ryzen 9 7900X Review
AMD Ryzen 9 7950X Review

Looking at those results, it feels like we are back in the zen1 era, only with a premium msrp. I think people should just wait for the next AMD gen, until the AM5 platform matures.

Or if they absolutely need to buy something, zen3/Intel 12th gen is the way to go.

They do seem to run hot and I can't say I'm happy about 90c temperatures in a desktop due to this hyper-aggressive auto-overclocking. This generation also seems remarkably poor value. On top of high motherboard + DDR5 costs that already kills off any value vs just keeping what you've already got, AMD are asking +77% more (£320) for the 'cheapest' 7600X which is barely +6% faster than the £180 i5-12400F. Pass. And it's not like 5000 Ryzens / 10-12th Gen Intel are "slow" for gaming (who argues over 243 vs 213 fps outside of benchmarking?). Nothing has changed about the fact that beyond a certain baseline, the same money saved on not overbuying CPU but instead spent on the next GPU tier up will make a 10x bigger difference for gaming with 1080p -> 1440p -> 4k / Ultrawide monitor upgrades being almost entirely on the GPU.

And I don't know why AMD has grown to hate budget / low-end gamers post Ryzen success, but this has to be the 3rd time in a row there's no Ryzen 3 (no retail 5300X / 5300G, 3300X was vapourware in many countries, etc). I get they want higher margins, but even Intel has consistently been putting out £70-£110 i3's for those who just don't need much horsepower.

Yeah i saw GN's review, then i watched Der Bauer - a little delidding, some powertools, and bam 7950 at 70 degrees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_jaS_FZcjI

See how the higher the model number the faster the model is in games as the cache size and clock speeds increase.

Value should improve as cost of DDR5 goes down and cheaper motherboards come to market. Right now the 7600X certainly looks like bad value for most people but the higher models are better, if you need or can use a bigger processor.

They announced that before release, that unlike previous generations all CPUs in this one will have iGPUs but with the exception of the dedicated line, which will be released later, they're solely meant to put something on the screen, not have any actual performance, so basically office(-like) use only.

Yeah I recall the statement, I didn't think they'll be this weak though. As long as they release the iGPU chips with good performance improvements, I guess it'll be a net positive since having to troubleshoot without a GPU is impossible for some people.

Prices in Spain:

Ryzen 5 7600X ~365€
Ryzen 7 7700X ~484€
Ryzen 9 7900X ~664€
Ryzen 9 7950X ~844€

Of course no box cooler even with 7600X and considering how much hot they get, you'll need better ones. Best to either skip or in case of needing a new PC go for 12th gen Intel or AM4 until Zen 5 and 14th gen Intel come up.

Edit:

Newegg US pre-order prices for Intel 13th gen:

i5-13600KF ~$310
i5-13600K ~$330
i7-13700KF ~$430
i7-13700K ~$450
i9-13900KF ~$630
i9-13900K ~$660

Wow expensive, I want to buy it to play witht he iGPU. Right now I am still using the old Intel 2500k.

Any way to use my old Scythe Orochi or Mugen cooler with this AM5 socket?