hi, as zen 4 is about to hit the market soon and we got more clear details on amd's newest cpu's, i wanted to start a thread about it. any opinions on the release, zen 4 arch or ryzen 7000, msrp, ipc gains, cache and performance, ... are welcome.

so far i'm mostly not impressed by the ipc gains, especially if one takes into account that amd sets the msrp for a 6 core 7600x at 300 $. or lets just say, that i'm expecting more for 300 bucks.

i wasn't happy about amd selling the 5600x for 300 bucks eighter. for me amd was always the budget choice for gamers with smaller wallets. you got more bang out of your buck (with some tweaking). but now they just seem to go the intel way, which raises the question: why do we need expensive amd products? we got intel as a premium choice already.

and they also plan to add an igpu into their new cpu's! would be much better to release without an igpu and with cheaper prices.

Oh good, I had started jotting down something for a thread like this and now I do not need to as someone was faster.

The upcoming model numbering system for mobile Ryzens will be sooo fun with a higher number not at all automatically meaning a newer architecture. One department of AMD's I have very little respect for is their marketing as they keep making idiotic moves.

13% (AMD's estimate) increase in instructions per clock (IpC) is not that small but considering how long they have worked on this, not huge. The big increase in clock speed helps a lot though.

29% faster than the 5000s... maybe and probably in some cases but let us wait for benchmarks and not forget that Intel 's 13000s are coming very soon too.

this thread was intended to attract you and other hardware interested gogers :) you're talking about the 13 % from the amd slides?

For me an iGPU is a life saver. Back in 2015. i got i5-6600 and when dedicated GPU died in 2019. i've been gaming on HD 530, only 2 games so far refused to work. I'd never buy a CPU without an iGPU now.

As for Zen 4 it's gonna be really expensive platform with DDR5. Not that thrilled with Zen 4 as much as Zen 5 and 14th Intel tbh.

I kind of agree on Zen 4 - if Zen 5 uses the same socket, I'll probably wait to upgrade as the AM4 launch wasn't great from a compatibility perspective and it took the Zen refresh/Zen2 to get rid of most of the teething issues.

Regarding iGPUs, I'm personally not a huge fan as I do think it it's a bit of a waste of die space on performance chips - but that being said it probably helps to keep costs down as they're not having to make a set with and a set without (plus, if it's on there, I can see the advantage of leaving it active rather than disabling it at a manufacturing level). Personally, I get round the "GPU might fail" problem by always keeping my previous GPU - so if my 2070 fails, I can go back to my 660 until I manage to secure a new GPU.

I was thinking about replacing my 7-years-old CPU with a Ryzen 7000, but it requires a DDR5-compatible motherboard (with an AM5 socket to boot), meaning that not only will it be more expensive, but that you are also getting the early adopter privilege of beta-testing.

The iGPU in this new serie isnt manufactured on the same die as the CPU is, it sits on the I/O die so no wasted die area.

I was tempted to make the jump from my 2600X but, honestly, it is still capable and happy to crunch everything i throw at it and. The only piece of hardware that it is screaming for is a new dedicated GPU.
I'm going to sit on the fence and watch the launch unravel, read a million articles, watch initial prices until they are settled and only then make my mind but, really, what i do need now is a graphic card and the upcoming products look very interesting on paper.

The total cost of the platform is something to keep an eye on, the new AMD boards, especially the top tier ones, are incredibly expensive and even the RAM.

If you have an AM4 socket board you could get a 5000 series Ryzen. They are a pretty good boost and should be coming down in price when the 7000 line comes out.

Truth be told, I don't. I was planning on getting an AM4 motherboard + 8-core Ryzen, but I delayed it when I heard that AMD was going to release their new chipset this year. Now that the details and prices have been revealed, I'm left with the choice of cheaper, tested and older, or the choice of futureproofing, more expensive, with the potential of beta-testing. And if I went with the second choice, I would also have to toss my perfectly-functioning DDR4 memory sticks and spend an additional minimum of 80 bucks for 16 GBs of DDR5 RAM.

AMD is no longer the budget brand and Intel the premium one for a good while now. Even Intel is slowly realizing that. The price reflects it as expected though, unfortunately for us.

I plan to get the 7600x or 7700x build early next year with a decent mobo, once the prices shake up a little and after checking Intel's offering. Not a fan of 7600x having again "just" 6c/12t for 300 bucks. As I see it now, the only problem is fast ddr5, so instead of 64GB I'll have to settle for 32GB. Once the 7600 becomes too old in couple of gens down the line, I would upgrade the cpu.

I no longer have AM4 platform, so I have to commit to a new build anyway. If I still had like 1k or 2k mid-range ryzen with a decent motherboard, I would look for a good deal on 5800x or even the one with 3d cache as a final upgrade for AM4 instead.

reposting a comment from another webpage regarding zen 4:

"... it's a fully beefed-up & updated Zen 3 on a new node and new tech. Zen5 is like the tock of the gen on the same/enhanced same node, like Zen 2 (tick) to Zen 3 (tock). Zen 5 is supposed a major redesign on the same 5nm/5nm+/4nm node offering huge perf uplift, with Zen 6 being on next gen node 3nm?/2nm? another huge uplift."

if true, this probably explains why only 13 % ipc from zen 3 to zen 4

i haven't thought about that situation, my backup plan if my current gpu dies, is to use an old one. i have 2 cards in reserve, a gtx 770 and a gtx 8800. they are both not really great, but probably better than an igpu. so i guess if one doesn't have an old reserve gpu or can't afford a very cheap used gt 1030 or rx 550, then an igpu is a life saver. i wonder how many gamers prefer to have an igpu on their desktop cpu. from the current experience with am4, i'm not sure if it would make sense to join in with zen 5. you might get screwed . we don't know if zen 6 will support the same mainboard as zen 5, so you'll have to buy a new mainboard, when upgrading to zen 6. amd seems to aim at the same practice as intel. so only zen 4 & 5 compatible with same boards. only zen 6 & 7 compatible with same boards.

upgrading, is only worth it, if one needs it. i think that there are many gamers with cpu's like yours and they're fine with it. nowdays there aren't that many games, that need a beefy current gen cpu. if you're into arma or console emulation, then the cpu can't be beefy enough. yeah, aside from the premium cpu prices, there will be also premium mainboard prices. ... what do we need amd for, we already have intel??
about that, as far as i got it right, then all 4 chipsets (x670e, x670, b650e, b650) will support pcie 5.0 for storage, BUT only the expensive ones with x670e will offer x16 pcie 5.0 for graphics. although it might not be important, i don't really know if pcie 5.0 will matter for gfx in the next years.
i'd say that they ended to be the "best bang for your buck" and budget choice since zen 3 and their sh#tty decision to not offer support for zen 3 on 300 chipset mainboards.

Might wait for a price drop.