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al281442: People in Russia at some point must find ways to express their dissatisfaction with the doings of the political class. I know this is tough in an oppressive environment. Everyone must be cautious not to get themselves into trouble. But if they don't learn how to show resentment to where it belongs things will never ever change.
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Deimos_Fresh: Where was your dissatisfaction of your political class when Ukraine soldiers and nationalists killed people of Donbas? Guess what? No one cared. Just like no one cared about Iraq, Serbia, Libya etc. Start with yourself first. You have a lot of NATO related illegal invasions to protest.
Hope you enjoy being a member of a Pariah nation.
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al281442: People in Russia at some point must find ways to express their dissatisfaction with the doings of the political class. I know this is tough in an oppressive environment. Everyone must be cautious not to get themselves into trouble. But if they don't learn how to show resentment to where it belongs things will never ever change.
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Deimos_Fresh: Where was your dissatisfaction of your political class when Ukraine soldiers and nationalists killed people of Donbas? Guess what? No one cared. Just like no one cared about Iraq, Serbia, Libya etc. Start with yourself first. You have a lot of NATO related illegal invasions to protest.
Cry more.

Your russia also bombed Aleppo and Syria same was as Ukraine now.
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Deimos_Fresh: Where was your dissatisfaction of your political class when Ukraine soldiers and nationalists killed people of Donbas? Guess what? No one cared. Just like no one cared about Iraq, Serbia, Libya etc. Start with yourself first. You have a lot of NATO related illegal invasions to protest.
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ValentB: Cry more.

Your russia also bombed Aleppo and Syria same was as Ukraine now.
You bombed pearl harbor and we fucked you six different ways from Sunday nip.
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ValentB: Cry more.

Your russia also bombed Aleppo and Syria same was as Ukraine now.
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David9855: You bombed pearl harbor and we fucked you six different ways from Sunday nip.
You knew about Pearl Harbor but you chose not to prevent the war = you started it.
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dudalb: Hope you enjoy being a member of a Pariah nation.
Hope you will enjoy your country's next illegal invasion.
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You know what leads to atrocities being committed? Blanket discrimination and blind hatred of people from different countries. Gtfo with your hate. The us vs them mentality needs to stop.
Post edited March 03, 2022 by wolfmanrip
Two years ago blanket punishment of an entire people because of the actions of a few was considered reprehensible by nearly everyone.

Today it's the very first course of action of governments, individuals, and private companies at even the slightest grievance.

Congratulations, this is what two years of compliance training does to the world.
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Deimos_Fresh: Start with yourself first. You have a lot of NATO related illegal invasions to protest.
Guess what: This is exactly what people around here do.

At our city we had a peace protest today. Some of the protesters were pro NATO and pro deliveries of weapons to Ukraine. Some of the protesters were against NATO and against deliveries of weapons to Ukraine. Anyway they were having kind of a peace protest together.

There are people around here who do remind of the bombing of Belgrade in 1999 on occasions like this. I'm not one of them but I have friends who do.

Do not think that these are topics that are unheard or unknown in our parts.
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al281442: For you as an individual I do feel sorry you are in this mess.

But there is a problem.

An autocratic system like the rule of Putin in Russia does not so much rely on a population instilled with his propaganda. Much more it does rely on apolitical people who feel totally disconnected from the doings of their leader. This is what gives him the freedom to act.

If you take the idea of democracy to its extreme it is not just the political class being responsible for the people but also the people being responsible for politics. It may look like blaming the people. But blaming someone is slightly different from holding someone responsible. Only Putin can be blamed. But the people in his country are kinda in this together with him whether they like it or not.

It's a Western perspective of course and - as I did say - I'm taking it to an extreme here. Though this is exactly what Putin did to us now, in the EU. His actions did spark fear and anger in the hearts of most people around here. Within days it made us reevaluate what's important to us. Just days before Putin's invasion we were still bickering with the Polish on how a democratic system is ought to be working. This is all gone now. Putin did unite Western countries with their thoughts and actions in a way that seemed impossible to ourselves.

GOG is owned by a company in Poland. They act like it. To me personally it seems very relatable.

I cannot ask you to put yourself in danger.

But really, Russians must understand Putin is the president of their country. He's not the president of Mars. Oh, someone find a way to make that happen...

People in Russia at some point must find ways to express their dissatisfaction with the doings of the political class. I know this is tough in an oppressive environment. Everyone must be cautious not to get themselves into trouble. But if they don't learn how to show resentment to where it belongs things will never ever change.

Withdrawal of people from the polity is the lifeblood of figures like Putin.

I'm kinda sure you won't like this answer much. But there's no other way to me feel about it in this very situation.
To be fair to the Russians, Putin is not exactly your suave manipulator that played his tricks on an uncaring populace.

He's a thug. He either jailed or killed the opposition and if you oppose him successfully, he'll put you in jail or worse. Its not just about caring, its about beyond ordinary courage at this point (you'd have to be willing to put your life and freedom on the line to oppose him in a meaningful way).

And btw, lest you forget, he has launch codes to thousands of nuclear weapons. Should he find himself in a position to be overthrown, he could wipe out 90%+ of the human race in retaliation (which if you're a sociopathic megalomaniac about to meet your end might be an appealing course of action).

He's 69. Personally, I'm hoping he doesn't live to a ripe old age and that his successor is a nicer person.
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ettac orrazib si eman ym: This is pretty much the way I feel about this move too. I have great sympathy for the Russian citizens who do not support this war, but I would hope they understand and know who to blame.

I don't support a lot of the actions of my own government and if they started another war I would certainly understand why other countries (and companies in those countries) would choose to sanction us.
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David9855: Or you could...you know....give the Falklands back to it's rightful owners.
That's precisely my point. I would if I could.

I mean shit, if you'd actually bothered to comprehend my post you could have worked that one out yourself.
Post edited March 04, 2022 by ettac orrazib si eman ym
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Deimos_Fresh: No one cared. Just like no one cared about Iraq, Serbia, Libya etc.
Oh, and Collin Powell himself said in an interview ten years after the Iraq invasion that one of the biggest regrets of his life was being the man who presented the false proof that made that war possible.

Him saying this didn't bring back any of the lives lost but he did indeed admit it.
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al281442: Oh, and Collin Powell himself said in an interview ten years after the Iraq invasion that one of the biggest regrets of his life was being the man who presented the false proof that made that war possible.

Him saying this didn't bring back any of the lives lost but he did indeed admit it.
Oh, that's right. A honest mistake. Where's sanctions against Iraq's aggressors?
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Magnitus: To be fair to the Russians, Putin is not exactly your suave manipulator that played his tricks on an uncaring populace.

He's a thug. He either jailed or killed the opposition and if you oppose him successfully, he'll put you in jail or worse. Its not just about caring, its about beyond ordinary courage at this point (you'd have to be willing to put your life and freedom on the line to oppose him in a meaningful way).

And btw, lest you forget, he has launch codes to thousands of nuclear weapons. Should he find himself in a position to be overthrown, he could wipe out 90%+ of the human race in retaliation (which if you're a sociopathic megalomaniac about to meet your end might be an appealing course of action).

He's 69. Personally, I'm hoping he doesn't live to a ripe old age and that his successor is a nicer person.
Wouldn't that in consequence mean we'd actually have to make sure to prevent him getting into this position of maybe being overthrown? Wouldn't we have to support his iron grip on the country because he is that one weirdo with the big red button...?

Call me an interventionist but I can't follow. If we always let the bullies have their way to enjoy one more moment of peace and quiet in the present it won't get us anywhere better. It's that Munich 1938 thing.

Indeed the stakes are high right now. It's kinda balancing on a knife's edge.


I surely don't think it's fair to ask everyone to be like Nawalny (who is miraculously not dead). But for example in Russia if you want to do just one little thing tell friends and family to read Nowaja Gaseta / Новая газета instead of Vlad's papers. Do it privately. Thankfully surveillance in Russia is not (yet?) as strict as in other authoritarian systems. They don't have spies at every corner like the old GDR. They don't have cyber-whatnot like today's China.

It's got to start at some point.
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Я человек с очень слабым ноутбуком. Он не тянет игры с 13 года. Уже очень давно я хочу собрать себе ПК, однако финансы не позволяют. Пару дней назад я познакомился с сервисом GFN. Моей радости не было предела. Не думал, что скорости моего инета хватит для комфортной игры. Я обожаю жанр киберпанк. Всей душой его люблю. И очень сильно хотел поиграть в Cyberpunk 2077. Вчера я купил игру, оформил подписку на GFN. Прихожу с работы два часа назад. Запускаю ноутбук и не вижу эту игру в своей библиотеке GFN. Они пишут, что у купивших доступ останется. Но я купил, мать вашу, эту чёртову игру! И где она? Я заплатил деньги за сраный кусок кода, который чисто физически не могу запустить на своём ноутбуке. Какого черта? Деньги на ветер.
Post edited March 04, 2022 by _kepel_
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спасибо gog за то, что помогает всем россиянам сделать правильный выбор. одно время я надеялся, что смогу отказаться от пиратства в пользу лицензий без drm, воодушевившись этим. но видя ситуацию в мире, что происходит с простыми россиянами (большинство из которых категорически против войны, вплоть до того, что хотят ее проиграть), я могу только поднять Веселый Роджер до конца жизни.

thanks to gog for helping all russians make the right choice. at one time i hoped i could give up piracy in favor of drm-free licenses, encouraged by this. but seeing the world situation and what happens to ordinary russians (most of whom are adamantly against war, to the point of wanting to lose it), i can only raise the Jolly Roger for the rest of my life.