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The "situation" is not as easy to assign "good" and "bad" as many wish. I see so many wrapping themselves in flags and making statements that are false (albeit pushed by media) -- hurtling toward a new Cold War. It's hard to stay from posting data that shows them wrong. I can only hope that due to the gravity of the situation they will spend time outside of mainstream media to educate themselves on the facts behind the situation...

... but besdies that...

... the people are innocent... and assigning "guilt" to people for the actions of their leadership is shortsighted.

The Ukrainian government has done a lot of terrible things, but I do not blame the Ukrainian people. The Russian government has done a lot of terrible things, but I do not blame the Russian people.

It's time to stop demonizing the people. People are just people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHylQRVN2Qs

If GOG is truly removing people from this community (which I have not looked into... yet... but I will) , I have no problem removing GOG from my life.

This situation is NOT A GAME.
Post edited March 03, 2022 by kai2
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LiefLayer: Sorry but your putin has chosen to go to war with the whole world. I'm not surprised the world isolate you.
If you change president and stop war then you will be part of the community again.
Because the world is black and white and nations are all hiveminds.......Italy has that mafia by that logic we should ban all Italians until they rise up and get rid of it.
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Heaven forbid you might not be able to buy new games for a while while your country is going to war...

Meanwhile I'm wrapping myself in a blanket to save on energybills
Post edited March 03, 2022 by Pheace
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Themken: Will all Russian and Belarussian developed and/or published games now be at risk of getting removed from sale here?
I doubt this.
But… you know, sanctions. I think developers of said games will be blocked from revenues instead. Otherwise, it would be unwise to give money to enemy game developers (who, without any doubt, would just give their funds to "aggressors").
Post edited March 03, 2022 by Alm888
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David9855: Because the world is black and white and nations are all hiveminds.......Italy has that mafia by that logic we should ban all Italians until they rise up and get rid of it.
Apart from the fact that many Italians did (and many were killed precisely because they fought against the mafia). A world war is quite another thing. If my government invaded another nation, I would take to the streets and resist. Gog has only temporarily banned the purchase of new games, an all in all light measure that also serves to push the russian community to protest against putin (like all restrictions right now).
And if a world war doesn't break out it will be a small price ...
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@GOG

You don’t punish the citizens because of choices made by the dictator.

Also either political topics are off limit, or they are fair game.

GOG has truly have become a disappointment to me. Joining the boycott over this.
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phaolo: I'm sad for those russian citizens who were never pro-Putin, but unfortunately for the EU there wasn't any other choice than using sanctions against Russia.
This is pretty much the way I feel about this move too. I have great sympathy for the Russian citizens who do not support this war, but I would hope they understand and know who to blame.

I don't support a lot of the actions of my own government and if they started another war I would certainly understand why other countries (and companies in those countries) would choose to sanction us.
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So, gog, when the next time another country invades someone, like for example the US of A - just for "humanitarian reasons" and to "bring democracy" of course - and you don't also suspend their sales, can we then start to call you hypocrites?
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phaolo: I'm sad for those russian citizens who were never pro-Putin, but unfortunately for the EU there wasn't any other choice than using sanctions against Russia.
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ettac orrazib si eman ym: This is pretty much the way I feel about this move too. I have great sympathy for the Russian citizens who do not support this war, but I would hope they understand and know who to blame.

I don't support a lot of the actions of my own government and if they started another war I would certainly understand why other countries (and companies in those countries) would choose to sanction us.
Do you know much about the situation in Ukraine?
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phaolo: I'm sad for those russian citizens who were never pro-Putin, but unfortunately for the EU there wasn't any other choice than using sanctions against Russia.
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ettac orrazib si eman ym: This is pretty much the way I feel about this move too. I have great sympathy for the Russian citizens who do not support this war, but I would hope they understand and know who to blame.

I don't support a lot of the actions of my own government and if they started another war I would certainly understand why other countries (and companies in those countries) would choose to sanction us.
Or you could...you know....give the Falklands back to it's rightful owners.
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glitchyjoe64: I mean he has only invaded Ukraine so far to stop the equivalent of Russian troops lining the Mexico border but ok sure.
The geopolitical realities of this keep getting ignored.

Gog is a Polish compagnie. Ukraine is right next door to them. Their reaction makes complete sense.

We like to think that all countries are equal, but they really aren't. Depends on where you live.

If someone invaded Mexico, Poland wouldn't care that much. The US might.
Post edited March 03, 2022 by Magnitus
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Soulcard: As a Russian and a big fan of games I'm very angry of this new game politic. But I'm here to make things clear. In Russia we don't choose president. His followers make only illusion of the ellections for western countries, but for real we didn't choose current president. We don't want war and we don't need war with our brothers and sisters in Ukraine. So every company, that makes such poor decisions like CDPR leaves me heartbroken cause we, simple people, simple gamers, don't deservev all this.
For you as an individual I do feel sorry you are in this mess.

But there is a problem.

An autocratic system like the rule of Putin in Russia does not so much rely on a population instilled with his propaganda. Much more it does rely on apolitical people who feel totally disconnected from the doings of their leader. This is what gives him the freedom to act.

If you take the idea of democracy to its extreme it is not just the political class being responsible for the people but also the people being responsible for politics. It may look like blaming the people. But blaming someone is slightly different from holding someone responsible. Only Putin can be blamed. But the people in his country are kinda in this together with him whether they like it or not.

It's a Western perspective of course and - as I did say - I'm taking it to an extreme here. Though this is exactly what Putin did to us now, in the EU. His actions did spark fear and anger in the hearts of most people around here. Within days it made us reevaluate what's important to us. Just days before Putin's invasion we were still bickering with the Polish on how a democratic system is ought to be working. This is all gone now. Putin did unite Western countries with their thoughts and actions in a way that seemed impossible to ourselves.

GOG is owned by a company in Poland. They act like it. To me personally it seems very relatable.

I cannot ask you to put yourself in danger.

But really, Russians must understand Putin is the president of their country. He's not the president of Mars. Oh, someone find a way to make that happen...

People in Russia at some point must find ways to express their dissatisfaction with the doings of the political class. I know this is tough in an oppressive environment. Everyone must be cautious not to get themselves into trouble. But if they don't learn how to show resentment to where it belongs things will never ever change.

Withdrawal of people from the polity is the lifeblood of figures like Putin.

I'm kinda sure you won't like this answer much. But there's no other way to me feel about it in this very situation.
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al281442: People in Russia at some point must find ways to express their dissatisfaction with the doings of the political class. I know this is tough in an oppressive environment. Everyone must be cautious not to get themselves into trouble. But if they don't learn how to show resentment to where it belongs things will never ever change.
Where was your dissatisfaction of your political class when Ukraine soldiers and nationalists killed people of Donbas? Guess what? No one cared. Just like no one cared about Iraq, Serbia, Libya etc. Start with yourself first. You have a lot of NATO related illegal invasions to protest.
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GOG's move is more PR one since russia/belarus wouldn't be able to buy anyway due to heavy bans on digital payment. Unlike Steam, GOG keys aren't widespread and only available for few games.

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KetobaK: My previous thread was censored.
I stood up for our Russian Users friend, those who take part in the forum for years, people that help many other users and always were kind with everybody. Think is not fair to punish them because the simple fact that this users are not part of the war, they are just splitting our community for not reason, that excuse that taxes revenue will go to war is not true, after SWIFT Bank restrictions most users couldn't purchase games anyway, so what is the point of divide our community? Of discriminate users that were part of this community for years? Let's not make GOG Community part of the war!
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TheNamelessOne_PL: Disagreed. Their country has been invading other countries for centuries. They hardly deserve pity.
Agreed. Russia should've been kicked from civilization 100 years ago already.
Post edited March 03, 2022 by ValentB
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TheNamelessOne_PL: Disagreed. Their country has been invading other countries for centuries. They hardly deserve pity.
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darthspudius: By that reasoning, ban ALL Americans and ALL British.
I'm British and I agree with this.