oh i see the tolerants arrived another dvoted topic

why?

Well he claims to have secret evidence pointing to who it is. Of course it's secret evidence that he can't share.

These threads are good for balancing Karma.

hmm im interested to compare it with my list

I am confused by your statement. Perhaps i just didn't understand what it was you were trying to say.
Are you saying a group or persons cannot be both socialist and fascist?
That of course would be false, as the Nazi party aka "National Socialist German Workers' Party", was both.
They believed in the socialist principles of government control over most aspects of citizens lives, and used fascist authoritarian tactics to control the population and make them conform or else.

We see the same principles of propaganda, violence, and intimidation, that the Nazis successfully employed, being practiced by domestic terrorist organizations such as Antifa and Black Lives Matter.
Just because a group claims to be ant-fascist doesn't mean they are. Judge them by their actions which are fascist.

My father was drafted into the compulsory Hitler Youth as a child. My uncle was a soldier in the Wehrmacht, the regular army. No one in my family was a Nazi Party member but they were able to share first hand experience to me about life in Nazi Germany and the similarities of groups operating in the United States today.

Yes, which is partly why I don't use most of those sites much(except maybe browsing for cutesy cat pics, gaming related things, and memes), or much social media at all for that matter.

- Well maybe that's because doing so(posting such info about specific users) on the forums is somewhat against the rules?
Anyhoo, if Kohlrak has such info as claimed, anyone can always PM them to confirm or deny it's veracity.

I'll take the rep hit. I'll just bold the below for any skimmers.

Recap:

Socialism is split into two main schools of thought: Marxist-Lenin socialism (communism) and democratic socialism. Key difference is their goals are similar, but the means are different.

1. Marxist-Leninism socialism is communism, which involves a brutal revolution where workers forcefully seize private assets and subsequently the formation of a one-state, authoritarian government (dictatorship of the proletariat) that reallocates wealth according to the state's needs, which would benefit the people.
2. The modern socialism is democratic socialism that focuses on the redistribution of wealth or state ownership of properties for economic equality through a capitalist economy, with a democratically-elected state, providing welfare and social programs, and equal rights and opportunities for all.

You have a point that general socialism and fascism share a few common characteristics, but to branch both groups as one whole and interchange characteristics with each other is quite misleading and erroneous. Specifically:

- The involvement of private companies in fascism is different compared to state-owned companies / public ownership in both democratic socialism and communism
- The involvement of authoritarian governments is similar with fascism and communism, but not with democratic socialism
- Aggressive foreign policy is similar with fascism and communism, but not with democratic socialism
- Facism differs from communism in that one leader and his/her supporters slowly climb the political ladder and coup the government with a militia or the army to back them up

Let's look at deeper examples of Nazi Germany. Nazis are similar to communists with seizing control of Jewish-owned assets (< 1% population, 1.6% of national wealth) and redistributing 58% of their assets into state funds for military projects. Additionally, the overall tax-to-GDP ratio increased from 18% before 1933 to 25% in 1939. And it doubled income taxes from 1938 to 1943 to fund war efforts.

However, when you look at a breakdown of the data, income inequality increased during Nazi Germany (real income and net income data unavailable). Specifically, <span class="bold">every income class except for the richest paid more taxes relative to taxable income</span> with most of the taxes coming from labour in 1937 than in 1929 or 1932. And lastly, [url=https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:AKmysthVeh0J:www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&client=firefox-b-d]Nazi Germany had a working relationship with industrialists and privatized public companies that were previously owned by the Weimar Republic.[/url] And lastly, Nazi Germany exterminated a lot of people besides Jewish peoples: communists, democratic socialists, other political prisoners, LGBTQ, and Roma people. So it makes very little sense for Hitler to be for killing socialists if those socialists were politically aligned with his goals. Totalitarianism / authoritarianism is "government control over aspects of citizen lives." In addition to your examples of fascism, it also includes aggressively nationalistic and militaristic means, usually involves racism and scapegoats to restore the majority's original place in the hierarchy, contempt for democracy (e.g., Nazis purging all other parties effectively after the Reichstag fire), and a community for all for the country's good under one dictator.

The Nazis used socialist principles to gain support of regular German folk. Take it as 'for the people' / 'people's community' (volksgemeinschaft) to unite the German people, regardless of class, to establish New Order over Europe and probably over the rest of the world. Again, similar to communism, but not democratic socialism. Yes, exactly. you're not really supposed to judge a group by what it's called, but by their position and actions. As I've shown with my above examples, the Nazis labeled themselves "socialist", but they were far from it. If what they called themselves were true, than "Democratic Kampuchea" (Communist Cambodia) were and "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" (North Korea) are free, democratic countries.

I believe what those social movement groups are advocating for is for democratic socialism, not the communism you're fearmongering about. I don't know much about them, so I'm declining to comment further.

Debunking your claim.

Black Lives Matter was founded by community organizers. One of the three co-founders said in 2015 that she and another co-founder “are trained Marxists.” they declare themselves as "radicals" on their own website.

Looting, arson, assault, murder, and intimidation are not acts of advocacy for democratic socialism.

OK, I might be wrong here. Thanks for the correction.

I don't know why rumbles popular at the moment but there were twitter comments from the journalist Glenn Greenwald on another news website article. Why should it because of some people going off topic. Mods can do their jobs properly.

I assume some bot is downrepping everyone for some reason, even though this thread is controversial of course.

Everything is controversial in somebody's mind.
That's why censorship is wrong.

just the usual , hope you can learn from it
not only that ,but forbidding political talk fe here on gog forum is wrong too

where else can anybody share different views and actual facts with those who are only watching mainstream media news and nothing else
these rules only help to misguide people