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Posted February 26, 2018
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F4LL0UT: Well that sucks so hard, it's almost impossible to believe (but I'm sure you're telling the truth). Have been primarily using Chrome myself over the last couple of years, ever since Firefox pissed me off with stability issues. There was a phase when it was almost impossible to use YouTube or other streaming services due to constant freezes and crashes, that's when I abandoned it. But I'm not happy with Chrome either, will have to check out this Pale Moon you're talking about.

Speaking of which: seeing people defend Chrome's insane RAM usage in articles like this one is gloriously pissing me off. "It's good that it uses all your RAM, after all, what's the point of having free RAM?" Well, for starters, I don't have surplus RAM and need it for more important applications than Chrome, FFS. That whole argument, which I've seen being used all over the web, only holds up if Chrome is the only or at least main application you're using and I like to think that even today browsing the web is not the main purpose of desktop machines.
Programmers today are taught 2 really important false ideas:
1. Your program is the main program running on the machine, so don't worry about how much you're hogging.
2. The customer is always willing to upgrade hardware to run your product, especially if it's RAM, since RAM is cheap anymore.

Yes, these are actually taught in schools. See why this happens, now?

EDIT: The release comic, too, was full of really bad ideas of how chrome was supposed to be faster than firefox and everything else, too. These ideas all would've marginally improved the browser's performance, but reduced overall system performance due to memory fragmentation, memory hogging, etc. What kills me is that faster browsers actually fell for the bait and started copying the bad ideas. It's like the current gun politics in the US: existing laws would've prevented the problem we're facing if they were enforced, but now politicians are willing to throw away everything and they don't even understand that the average voter in the US can see through the anti-gun propaganda (which is why gun control never worked in the US before). Or, like on steam, alot of the newer games are still minecraft ripoffs, that copy every negative feature of minecraft while not providing any of the features that made minecraft popular. It's like the people at the tip get ideas and refuse to listen to the people at the base of the triangle.
Post edited February 26, 2018 by kohlrak
Posted February 26, 2018
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thomq: SeaMonkey? I forgot about that. Hmm, it seems to be recently updated (2018-02-15), too. Nice.

Though it describes itself as "containing an Internet browser, email & newsgroup client with an included web feed reader, HTML editor, IRC chat and web development tools". That reminds me a bit of emacs (Editing MACroS) which has eww (Emacs Web Wowser) and gnus, a calendar, IRC clients, and various text-editing modes for HTML, CSS, JS, and debugging.

I think the main difference would be that emacs provides the capability to create editing macros, t.i. macros for editing. That is done simply by pressing a key for recording keystrokes (typing, keyboard shortcuts, etc.) and then another key for playing back that sequence to have it all done again. No coding or programming necessary at all. That, and emacs tiles its windows instead of overlapping them, and they're easily resizable/arrangeable so anything/everything can be viewed and without wasting space.
Emacs is a great operating system, but too bad there's no documentation, the joke goes.
Posted February 27, 2018
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thomq: SeaMonkey? I forgot about that. Hmm, it seems to be recently updated (2018-02-15), too. Nice.

Though it describes itself as "containing an Internet browser, email & newsgroup client with an included web feed reader, HTML editor, IRC chat and web development tools". That reminds me a bit of emacs (Editing MACroS) which has eww (Emacs Web Wowser) and gnus, a calendar, IRC clients, and various text-editing modes for HTML, CSS, JS, and debugging.

I think the main difference would be that emacs provides the capability to create editing macros, t.i. macros for editing. That is done simply by pressing a key for recording keystrokes (typing, keyboard shortcuts, etc.) and then another key for playing back that sequence to have it all done again. No coding or programming necessary at all. That, and emacs tiles its windows instead of overlapping them, and they're easily resizable/arrangeable so anything/everything can be viewed and without wasting space.
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Darvond: Emacs is a great operating system, but too bad there's no documentation, the joke goes.
I know, right? It was over a year, maybe two years before I found out about the editing macros, a.k.a. keyboard macros. I got distracted by programming macros, and that turned out to be completely different.

To think they put the information about keyboard macros in section 17 of the documentation! Can you believe it?! Section 17! The name of it is "emacs" and that comes from the phrase "editing macros". IIRC, how to make and use keyboard macros was not even in the tutorial. @_@

But it's a great tutorial, I keep wanting to recommend it to people to read. It's a do-as-you-read tutorial that covers the basics of the basics. Pretty much the first dozen sections of the documentation for emacs itself, but much quicker. Hmm, maybe I'm just not remembering the keyboard macros part. I should read it again, it's so wonderful I often think about reading it again anyway. ^_^
Post edited February 27, 2018 by thomq
Posted February 27, 2018
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thomq: -snip-
And here I am, just now realizing I'd been typing the wrong alias into DNF. The proper command is sudo dnf upgrade, not sudo dnf update.
Posted February 27, 2018
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johnnygoging: so you moved from mozilla to google because of privacy-related concerns?
Unless you can prove Google's Chome is sending multiple Telemetry data, like Firefox is, then your post is nothing but hot air and fluff.
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johnnygoging: so you moved from mozilla to google because of privacy-related concerns?
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paladin181: I'd uprate this 1000 times if GOG would let me.
Fucking prick.
Post edited February 27, 2018 by CraigGen_1970
Posted February 27, 2018
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CraigGen_1970: Unless you can prove Google's Chome is sending multiple Telemetry data, like Firefox is, then your post is nothing but hot air and fluff.
Fucking prick.
Larry, is that you?
Posted February 27, 2018
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paladin181: I'd uprate this 1000 times if GOG would let me.
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CraigGen_1970: Fucking prick.
ZFR. Nice to meet you.
Posted February 27, 2018
Another thing that is worst and worst with each major update in Firefox is the Settings menu, if Mozilla continue deprecating it, even Edge is to have a better settings menu. You like to fully turn off web push notifications? You need to go to about:config, you like to turn off stupid animations in the UI? you need to go to about:config...
Really, why the user need to use the about:config for basic and some advanced settings. Is that hard to have and advanced tab in the setting menu?
Posted February 27, 2018
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johnnygoging: so you moved from mozilla to google because of privacy-related concerns?
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CraigGen_1970: Unless you can prove Google's Chome is sending multiple Telemetry data, like Firefox is, then your post is nothing but hot air and fluff.
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paladin181: I'd uprate this 1000 times if GOG would let me.
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CraigGen_1970: Fucking prick.
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Google is a company that does its very best track your activities across the web via its running servers and their deployment of web technologies without you even touching Chrome. It then makes money off of profiling that information to sell more and pricier advertisements. Do you really think it would not use Chrome, software running right on the user's computer between them and the web to achieve its goals as well? What legal restrictions are there to stop Google from spying on you with its browser when it does so constantly with just the web itself?

Why don't YOU show ME strong evidence that shows Google isn't using Chrome to do what it tries to do without the help of Chrome? I would think it's more on someone to prove that an advertising company that makes its money off of collecting data on its users to sell advertisements, isn't collecting data with its software.

As Chrome is closed-source, nobody can easily say for sure what exactly it is programmed to do. So I guess you got me! Well shit, you got me! Only the DRM-related bits of Firefox aren't open so we can for sure know that Mozilla engages in metrics collection that you can completely disable. We can't easily prove Chrome is doing it, so I guess they probably aren't, even though they are an advertising company unlike Mozilla which is a web-technologies non-profit, and more than possibly just using TELEMETRY for improving the browser they make, also could put it to good use using TELEMETRY for profiling the user that's using that browser.

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So I'll just drop this one here which I read recently. It's current, and I think it's a nice catchup on the state of the web browser.

https://www.expressvpn.com/blog/best-browsers-for-privacy/
Post edited February 28, 2018 by johnnygoging
Posted February 28, 2018
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CraigGen_1970: Unless you can prove Google's Chome is sending multiple Telemetry data, like Firefox is, then your post is nothing but hot air and fluff.

Fucking prick.
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johnnygoging: holy shit did you just put me on the spot? holy shit you guys this guy just put me on the spot!

Google is a company that does its very best track your activities across the web via its running servers and their deployment of web technologies without you even touching Chrome. It then makes money off of profiling that information to sell more and pricier advertisements. Do you really think it would not use Chrome, software running right on the user's computer between them and the web to achieve its goals as well? What legal restrictions are there to stop Google from spying on you with its browser when it does so constantly with just the web itself?

Why don't YOU show ME strong evidence that shows Google isn't using Chrome to do what it tries to do without the help of Chrome? I would think it's more on someone to prove that an advertising company that makes its money off of collecting data on its users to sell advertisements, isn't collecting data with its software.

As Chrome is closed-source, nobody can easily say for sure what exactly it is programmed to do. So I guess you got me! Well shit, you got me! Only the DRM-related bits of Firefox aren't open so we can for sure know that Mozilla engages in metrics collection that you can completely disable. We can't easily prove Chrome is doing it, so I guess they probably aren't, even though they are an advertising company unlike Mozilla which is a web-technologies non-profit, and more than possibly just using TELEMETRY for improving the browser they make, also could put it to good use using TELEMETRY for profiling the user that's using that browser.

I could drop a reading list, but you can build a really good one with a 10 minute Bing (see what I did there?) search, but I really believe you're more concerned with not looking proven wrong on a forum (who gives a fuck) than being shown that after using Google for a few years it knows what you like and how you like it buddy.

So I'll just drop this one here which I read recently. It's current, and I think it's a nice catchup on the state of the web browser.

https://www.expressvpn.com/blog/best-browsers-for-privacy/
I agree with everything except one point: google is having a hell of a time figuring out what i like, and i don't realistically use any other search engine. The search results are awful, and when i try to do research and it doesn't get enough hits (even if it gets hits with all search terms) it usually ends up cutting off the most important term.

Want to know what those things on airplane wings that allow it to move are called? Try searching "those moving things on the wings that allow the airplane to move," it'll take out "wings" and "airplane," and give you pictures of steering wheels and legs. No! Give me ailerons, damnit!
Post edited February 28, 2018 by kohlrak
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