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Posted February 22, 2018
I've stopped using Firefox in 2015 and switched to Palemoon because I wasn't happy with the direction FF was going. But I still used it as a backup browser from time to time and liked it over Chrome.

Today however I discovered that the latest Firefox installer doesn't let you choose your installation directory. In fact it doesn't let you choose anything. No "click next to install". No "I've read and accept EULA". Nothing. Installation starts as soon as you run the file (to the default Program Files folder). Just double click the file and after a while you'll find Firefox installed, added to taskbar and added to Programs menu.

Heck, even Galaxy has a concealed opt-out option you can choose when installing.

This was the last straw. I'm really sad to see a browser I liked so much and used for over 15 years go, but I'm not going to use it with its "we know better what's good for you" attitude. It's become the antithesis of the first version that I started using in 2003.
There probably are some command line arguments that you can use to have a customisable installation, but at this stage, I'd rather use Microsoft's Edge that comes with Windows.
Posted February 22, 2018
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ZFR: I've stopped using Firefox in 2015 and switched to Palemoon because I wasn't happy with the direction FF was going. But I still used it as a backup browser from time to time and liked it over Chrome.

Today however I discovered that the latest Firefox installer doesn't let you choose your installation directory. In fact it doesn't let you choose anything. No "click next to install". No "I've read and accept EULA". Nothing. Installation starts as soon as you run the file (to the default Program Files folder). Just double click the file and after a while you'll find Firefox installed, added to taskbar and added to Programs menu.

Heck, even Galaxy has a concealed opt-out option you can choose when installing.

This was the last straw. I'm really sad to see a browser I liked so much and used for over 15 years go, but I'm not going to use it with its "we know better what's good for you" attitude. It's become the antithesis of the first version that I started using in 2003.
There probably are some command line arguments that you can use to have a customisable installation, but at this stage, I'd rather use Microsoft's Edge that comes with Windows.
Wait wait wait
I use Firefox, what do you mean it doesn't let you use your install directory? Are you talking about when you install GOG through it, or all files?

I never install anything through Firefox. Everything I download through it goes to "Downloads" at which point I turn off FireFox and then install.

My guess is however that being the great big idiot I am, I'm just misreading your post.
Post edited February 22, 2018 by tinyE
Posted February 22, 2018
Not trying to convince you otherwise, but did you try using the "about:config" command in the URL bar? You end up getting access to a whole bunch of configuration options. I don't see an option to install to a custom directory there, but you can still download the full offline installer and set a custom path from that installer.
Posted February 22, 2018
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OneFiercePuppy: Not trying to convince you otherwise, but did you try using the "about:config" command in the URL bar? You end up getting access to a whole bunch of configuration options. I don't see an option to install to a custom directory there, but you can still download the full offline installer and set a custom path from that installer.
Yes, I know about about:config and I've been it a lot to customize newer versions similar to what I want. And thanks for the link to the page with the offline installers. Nevertheless the main download link from Firefox's webpage takes you to an installer that automatically does everything.

Anyway, this is all a moot point since I'm using Pale Moon for the past 3 years and unlikely to change back. It's just sad to see the way FF has become.
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tinyE: ...
I mean Firefox installer, and not the installers you download through Firefox.
Post edited February 22, 2018 by ZFR
Posted February 22, 2018
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ZFR: I've stopped using Firefox in 2015 and switched to Palemoon because I wasn't happy with the direction FF was going. But I still used it as a backup browser from time to time and liked it over Chrome.

Today however I discovered that the latest Firefox installer doesn't let you choose your installation directory. In fact it doesn't let you choose anything. No "click next to install". No "I've read and accept EULA". Nothing. Installation starts as soon as you run the file (to the default Program Files folder). Just double click the file and after a while you'll find Firefox installed, added to taskbar and added to Programs menu.

Heck, even Galaxy has a concealed opt-out option you can choose when installing.

This was the last straw. I'm really sad to see a browser I liked so much and used for over 15 years go, but I'm not going to use it with its "we know better what's good for you" attitude. It's become the antithesis of the first version that I started using in 2003.
There probably are some command line arguments that you can use to have a customisable installation, but at this stage, I'd rather use Microsoft's Edge that comes with Windows.
The new MS Office does the same thing. Went back to 2010 after I installed it and there wasn't any option to install it somewhere besides c:\program files
Posted February 22, 2018
Well that sucks so hard, it's almost impossible to believe (but I'm sure you're telling the truth). Have been primarily using Chrome myself over the last couple of years, ever since Firefox pissed me off with stability issues. There was a phase when it was almost impossible to use YouTube or other streaming services due to constant freezes and crashes, that's when I abandoned it. But I'm not happy with Chrome either, will have to check out this Pale Moon you're talking about.

Speaking of which: seeing people defend Chrome's insane RAM usage in articles like this one is gloriously pissing me off. "It's good that it uses all your RAM, after all, what's the point of having free RAM?" Well, for starters, I don't have surplus RAM and need it for more important applications than Chrome, FFS. That whole argument, which I've seen being used all over the web, only holds up if Chrome is the only or at least main application you're using and I like to think that even today browsing the web is not the main purpose of desktop machines.
Posted February 22, 2018
if what you say is true then that's not good. however, i have a feeling firefox has been does this dor a really long time. no matter if i specify a different location and gb localisation, it will always screw up updates, have multiple installs and switch to US localisation. this is not good but there's nothing serious enough for me to switch to another browser - especially chrome. not the webextensions, not the html5 drm (which i have opted out of), nor anything else. firefox has been ok. not true to its values or roots, but good enough.

just to clarify, you ARE talking about the offline installers that are 30mb right? not the 300kb web installers?
Post edited February 22, 2018 by timmy010
Posted February 22, 2018
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ZFR: I've stopped using Firefox in 2015 and switched to Palemoon because I wasn't happy with the direction FF was going. But I still used it as a backup browser from time to time and liked it over Chrome.

Today however I discovered that the latest Firefox installer doesn't let you choose your installation directory. In fact it doesn't let you choose anything. No "click next to install". No "I've read and accept EULA". Nothing. Installation starts as soon as you run the file (to the default Program Files folder). Just double click the file and after a while you'll find Firefox installed, added to taskbar and added to Programs menu.

Heck, even Galaxy has a concealed opt-out option you can choose when installing.

This was the last straw. I'm really sad to see a browser I liked so much and used for over 15 years go, but I'm not going to use it with its "we know better what's good for you" attitude. It's become the antithesis of the first version that I started using in 2003.
There probably are some command line arguments that you can use to have a customisable installation, but at this stage, I'd rather use Microsoft's Edge that comes with Windows.
You're overreacting a bit, latest Firefox (58.0.2) installs where you want it to, provided you don't click "next next next". Anyways I recorded a video showing all the install options: Link
Posted February 22, 2018
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Ganni1987: You're overreacting a bit, latest Firefox (58.0.2) installs where you want it to, provided you don't click "next next next". Anyways I recorded a video showing all the install options: Link
i've not tested myself because i don't have time to reinstall firefox right now, but i'm guessing he's talking about the web installer - which are normally designed for simplicity not customiseability. the offline installers probably offer customiseability.
Posted February 22, 2018
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Ganni1987: You're overreacting a bit, latest Firefox (58.0.2) installs where you want it to, provided you don't click "next next next". Anyways I recorded a video showing all the install options: Link
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timmy010: i've not tested myself because i don't have time to reinstall firefox right now, but i'm guessing he's talking about the web installer - which are normally designed for simplicity not customiseability. the offline installers probably offer customiseability.
I think so too, in that case he's looking for this: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/
Post edited February 22, 2018 by Ganni1987
Posted February 22, 2018
the denouncements sound like meaning until you realize they've just moved from firefox to niche-firefox without the ability to really exist without firefox or chrome.

seems firefox users are today encountering problems that chrome users already had in 09 or so. could have used these earlier off to chrome I go.

so sick of your shit Firefox.

god this feels so good.
Posted February 22, 2018
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ZFR: I've stopped using Firefox in 2015 and switched to Palemoon because I wasn't happy with the direction FF was going. But I still used it as a backup browser from time to time and liked it over Chrome.

Today however I discovered that the latest Firefox installer doesn't let you choose your installation directory. In fact it doesn't let you choose anything. No "click next to install". No "I've read and accept EULA". Nothing. Installation starts as soon as you run the file (to the default Program Files folder). Just double click the file and after a while you'll find Firefox installed, added to taskbar and added to Programs menu.
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Have you tried Waterfox?
Posted February 22, 2018
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timmy010: just to clarify, you ARE talking about the offline installers that are 30mb right? not the 300kb web installers?
No. The web installer. Offline ones work as before. Still, clicking on "Download" from Firefox's website takes you to the online installer. Not to a webpage where you can choose whicherver one you want.

It's like the Galaxy bundled installers. You can still get the classic one, but you have to know that you need to click on "More" and "Classic installers" first.

Anyway, the online installers used to let you select where you install last I tried them (last year). This still is new.
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IronArcturus: Have you tried Waterfox?
Yes, of the two I liked Pale Moon better, but Waterfox was a close second.
Post edited February 22, 2018 by ZFR
Posted February 22, 2018
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ZFR: No. The web installer. Offline ones work as before. Still, clicking on "Download" from Firefox's website takes you to the online installer. Not to a webpage where you can choose whicherver one you want.

It's like the Galaxy bundled installers. You can still get the classic one, but you have to know that you need to click on "More" and "Classic installers" first.
as a uk user, i have been doing this for over a decade. last time i used adobe reader for example, i didn't have the option of installing to a location until i found a secret admin build that let me specify the location. this has been a common practice for a long time. i don't see why this is any more complicated.
Posted February 22, 2018
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timmy010: just to clarify, you ARE talking about the offline installers that are 30mb right? not the 300kb web installers?
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ZFR: No. The web installer. Offline ones work as before. Still, clicking on "Download" from Firefox's website takes you to the online installer. Not to a webpage where you can choose whicherver one you want.

It's like the Galaxy bundled installers. You can still get the classic one, but you have to know that you need to click on "More" and "Classic installers" first.

Anyway, the online installers used to let you select where you install last I tried them (last year). This still is new.
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IronArcturus: Have you tried Waterfox?
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ZFR: Yes, of the two I liked Pale Moon better, but Waterfox was a close second.
I've been using Waterfox and Chrome for a while now. I run a business and need to be able to check the site from my login and from a user login at the same time, so I keep two browsers open.

I hear you about the RAM usage in Chrome. I built this machine 6 years ago with 8 GB RAM and upgraded to 16 about 3 years ago when RAM was cheap. If I hadn't have done that, I would have ditched Chrome and would probably be using Palemoon as my 2nd browser.
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