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I'm surprised so many people still have such strong feelings about Castro...personally I have no sympathy for him or his regime (he clearly was demented in some ways, during the missile crisis he urged the Soviets to do a first strike on the US, thankfully Khruschev was reasonable enough to refuse this), but I don't think he was in the same league of evil as Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot or Kim Il-Sung. Maybe in a way he could be compared to Franco on the right, clearly flawed and repressive in many ways, but you sort of might understand why he ended up doing what he did.
That Hamilton guy though seems pretty dubious...but then standards in the 70s were different, hard to be sure if he really was a pervert.
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timppu: I tend to agree, however yesterday I read some article suggesting that Castro wasn't too thrilled about US suddenly becoming friendlier with them, as there Castro lost a good arch enemy. As if Castro really didn't want to be friends with US?

But maybe at this point it didn't matter that much to him anymore...
Well, to be fair, he didn't have the best of experiences with the US (with Batista, the attempted invasion, the countless assassination attempts, not to mention the trade embargo).

One would hope he would have gotten over it in the ensuing 50 years, but I guess sometimes, it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks. I'd say that would put him on average in the grudge department. It would take an exceptional individual to get over all those things.
Post edited November 27, 2016 by Magnitus
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Magnitus: I'd say that would put him on average in the grudge department.
I don't blame him for holding a grudge, he actually travelled to the US and was snubbed by Eisenhower, who was too busy playing golf to see him.

And then there's the CIA assassination attempts and the Bay of Pigs invasion.
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infinite9: Good riddance to Fidel Castro. I find it ironic how many liberals praise him despite how he basically admitted to targeting homosexuals for being homosexual or how he targeted political dissenters and alleged political dissenters for simply holding or expressing different opinions.

Apparently, some people believe that iron-fisted policies like political repression, the dismantling of free speech, and the prosecution of gays for being gay are fine as long as they done in the name of "equality" or the "working class."
Come on, don´t be a butthurt Beverly. Funny how some US americans still are not able to forget how a few cubans toppled US plans for an island at their doorsteps. Kind of a dwarven grudge in Warhammer...
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Cuba, the kind of "dictatorship" where there are elections and you have granted access to a house for living, medical care (best of latin america and one of the best of the world), completly free education. The kind of dictatorship where you can say bullshit as Yoani Sánchez and not going to jail. Yeah, that kind of dictatorship. The kind of pure evil which has an evil army of medics to help other nations in case of need, even the ones opposed to you.

Meanwhile, in other democracies of the free world, you can die in the street from cold if can afford to pay for a rent, to have hunger because you lost your job and don't find any, to die in front of a hospital because you can't afford medical care and not have access to the university (or even lower levels). But hey, you can still what those shiny products in shops, even if you can't afford them! And you can report your government or your enterprise for bad practices as Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning or Hervé Falciani. Ah, and you can choose between two Kang and Kodos to rule you.

Even most of the critics can't deny some of the achievements of the revolution like the heathcare system or the educational system.

Gracias, Fidel. Hasta siempre, comandante.
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DracoMagister: Cuba, the kind of "dictatorship" where there are elections and you have granted access to a house for living, medical care (best of latin america and one of the best of the world), completly free education. The kind of dictatorship where you can say bullshit as Yoani Sánchez and not going to jail. Yeah, that kind of dictatorship. The kind of pure evil which has an evil army of medics to help other nations in case of need, even the ones opposed to you.
Sounds like another great dead dictator, Gadaffi.
Also free schooling, free health care, free health care (abroad if necessary) and $3000/month or more pocket money for foreign medical treatments, money and housing for newly weds, free land for people who wanted to become a farmer, working on getting the land fertile, ...
People opposing him however weren't treated so nice, death, rape, torture ...

As for Fidel:
Check http://cubaarchive.org/wordpress/ for the not so nice side of the revolution.
Cuba exports health care the way other countries export physical goods. For money. It's their best export product.
The documentary about the Cuban rap group Los Aldeanos will give you a more realistic view of Cuba. Including images of extreme poverty in Cuba, which the authorities and tourist organizations won't show you. http://www.moviemaker.com/archives/articles/los-aldeanos/ for more info.
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Melvinica: Strange world we're living in where people sympathize with a dictator.
Considering how many people idolize Che Guevara, who did his own fair share of bad shit, it really isn't that surprising. I find that a lot of people also don't do due diligence on their "heroes." (I hate to generalize, but it's hard to identify with people who willfully violate human rights.)
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Melvinica: Strange world we're living in where people sympathize with a dictator.
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LiquidOxygen80: Considering how many people idolize Che Guevara, who did his own fair share of bad shit, it really isn't that surprising. I find that a lot of people also don't do due diligence on their "heroes." (I hate to generalize, but it's hard to identify with people who willfully violate human rights.)
Like most American presidents to this day and onwards.
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infinite9: Good riddance to Fidel Castro. I find it ironic how many liberals praise him despite how he basically admitted to targeting homosexuals for being homosexual or how he targeted political dissenters and alleged political dissenters for simply holding or expressing different opinions.

Apparently, some people believe that iron-fisted policies like political repression, the dismantling of free speech, and the prosecution of gays for being gay are fine as long as they done in the name of "equality" or the "working class."
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TheyLive1984: Come on, don´t be a butthurt Beverly. Funny how some US americans still are not able to forget how a few cubans toppled US plans for an island at their doorsteps. Kind of a dwarven grudge in Warhammer...
Dwarven grudge?
Fidel Castro democratically debating a political opponent.
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LiquidOxygen80: Considering how many people idolize Che Guevara, who did his own fair share of bad shit, it really isn't that surprising. I find that a lot of people also don't do due diligence on their "heroes." (I hate to generalize, but it's hard to identify with people who willfully violate human rights.)
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Klumpen0815: Like most American presidents to this day and onwards.
I won't debate that. I'm not the type of person to willfully ignore when my government does messed up things, and frankly, US government isn't that popular with most people here either. A lot of us have learned to separate patriotism and the government. I love my country and consider myself fortunate to have been born here, but loving my country and loving its bureaucrats are two entirely different things, and I think that you'd find most people agreeing with that point of view.
2016 has already taken a lot of good people. About time it takes some bad ones, too.
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But it doesn't shock me the nazi's on gog support the evil trash.
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morolf: Maybe in a way he could be compared to Franco on the right, clearly flawed and repressive in many ways, but you sort of might understand why he ended up doing what he did.
Ha. Haha. HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

No.
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morolf: Maybe in a way he could be compared to Franco on the right, clearly flawed and repressive in many ways, but you sort of might understand why he ended up doing what he did.
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P1na: Ha. Haha. HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

No.
Why not?