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Filthgrinder: Tax? Well that I would accept.

Except it's not the government/state/country behind it. It's just a TV company that has been enforcing this on them, and have even managed to make it "law" that people HAVE to pay them.

Think of it this way: BBC demands you pay them X amount of money just because you have a TV. Even if you do not watch their channel, or have access to their channel.
Isn't that what happens with the UK tax? I mean the government collects it and then it funds the BBC and the arts, right?

Are you saying this is a for profit station? Or just that you feel like they shouldn't be able to bill you directly?
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Filthgrinder: Tax? Well that I would accept.

Except it's not the government/state/country behind it. It's just a TV company that has been enforcing this on them, and have even managed to make it "law" that people HAVE to pay them.

Think of it this way: BBC demands you pay them X amount of money just because you have a TV. Even if you do not watch their channel, or have access to their channel.
So, you have to pay for this channel even if you don't subscribe to it? That's...that's weird.

Or is this a national television network, sort of like the CBC in Canada, where tax dollars largely fund them?
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orcishgamer: Wow, no FCC equivalent with stupid decency standards? I would be in Nirvana.
Nothing. :)

To be honest, I haven't listened or watched radio / TV in a few years now (and counting...). I have the internet for watching when Real Madrid play (thats pretty much the only thing I watch (I barely watch movies or anything else)), and the only "radio" I listen to is di.fm.
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orcishgamer: Are you saying this is a for profit station? Or just that you feel like they shouldn't be able to bill you directly?
No, we have to pay for a TV Licence, which goes directly to the BBC.
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orcishgamer: Are you saying this is a for profit station? Or just that you feel like they shouldn't be able to bill you directly?
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nmillar: No, we have to pay for a TV Licence, which goes directly to the BBC.
Yea, I guess it sounds like the same thing as the NRK thing in Norway. Of course, we American's don't have that so I may be missing some fine point.

Incidentally, I'd pay the UK tax just to have highspeed, foreign access to the BBC content. You guys should seriously consider it:)
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orcishgamer: Incidentally, I'd pay the UK tax just to have highspeed, foreign access to the BBC content. You guys should seriously consider it:)
Just realised I quoted the wrong bit of your post, but I guess you figured out what I was talking about anyway! :)
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Filthgrinder: Tax? Well that I would accept.

Except it's not the government/state/country behind it. It's just a TV company that has been enforcing this on them, and have even managed to make it "law" that people HAVE to pay them.

Think of it this way: BBC demands you pay them X amount of money just because you have a TV. Even if you do not watch their channel, or have access to their channel.
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orcishgamer: Isn't that what happens with the UK tax? I mean the government collects it and then it funds the BBC and the arts, right?

Are you saying this is a for profit station? Or just that you feel like they shouldn't be able to bill you directly?
Filthgrinder's situation sounds a little different because it was mentioned that the channel has advertising. The BBC isn't allowed to have advertising because it's funded by the TV license.
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orcishgamer: Isn't that what happens with the UK tax? I mean the government collects it and then it funds the BBC and the arts, right?

Are you saying this is a for profit station? Or just that you feel like they shouldn't be able to bill you directly?
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eyeball226: Filthgrinder's situation sounds a little different because it was mentioned that the channel has advertising. The BBC isn't allowed to have advertising because it's funded by the TV license.
Right, I didn't know the BBC didn't have other sources of revenue. Yeah, the advertising thing sucks, but you almost can't get pay TV anywhere w/o advertising (at least anywhere in North America). Is it still non-profit, even with the advertising? Do they have the distinction in Norway between non-profit and for-profit institutions? If it was a for profit channel I'd be pissed too. If their accounting is open and they don't hoard money then that's merely one of their sources of revenue.
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orcishgamer: Right, I didn't know the BBC didn't have other sources of revenue.
Well... that's not true.

They sell their shows to other countries, by things like BBC America, selling the rights to other countries TV networks or as things like the alternate versions of Top Gear.

They also make money from merchandising (especially Dr. Who stuff recently).
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eyeball226: Filthgrinder's situation sounds a little different because it was mentioned that the channel has advertising. The BBC isn't allowed to have advertising because it's funded by the TV license.
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orcishgamer: Right, I didn't know the BBC didn't have other sources of revenue. Yeah, the advertising thing sucks, but you almost can't get pay TV anywhere w/o advertising (at least anywhere in North America). Is it still non-profit, even with the advertising? Do they have the distinction in Norway between non-profit and for-profit institutions? If it was a for profit channel I'd be pissed too. If their accounting is open and they don't hoard money then that's merely one of their sources of revenue.
Like Andy_Panthro said, they do have other sources of revenue, and I'm pretty sure the NA channel BBC America is subscription only and has advertising. But they aren't allowed to advertise on the main UK channels they provide. The TV license is specifically meant to fund them (although the government keeps raiding it for other things like the digital switchover).
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Filthgrinder: Think of it this way: BBC demands you pay them X amount of money just because you have a TV. Even if you do not watch their channel, or have access to their channel.
I struggle with the idea of having a TV, but not being able to get BBC. Up until recently, you could pretty much get BBC on a wet piece of string.

EDIT: Eyeball, go look in the Forum Mafia thread.

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eyeball226:
Post edited December 09, 2010 by Damuna
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Equlan: Oh! I also have a question for the folks from southern Europe! I'm here thinking of pretty much everyone south of Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands. I don't know if it's a commonly held belief. But my impression has somehow become that it isn't that common to drink beer in those countries. Wine being preferred or some such. Is there any validity to that?
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svmariscal: Not at all, at least here in Spain; although I guess we drink a lot more wine than most northern european countries, we still drink A LOT more beer than wine. Of course it's a generalization but, in Spain beer is a drink for almost any social occasion, while wine is more closely associated with food. You won't see folks in a pub drinking wine while watching a soccer match.
As an example, when you're on a dinner with people, it's very common to have one or two beers for starters and then go for a red wine with the main course.
And a last word of advice: never, repeat, NEVER buy bottled sangria when you're in Spain. Spaniards very rarely drink sangria, It's a mixture of cheap wine with soda and fruit juices we only make and consume when in summer parties and such, very much like your punch. And when we do, it's never one of those poisonous bottled concoctions.
Thanks, that sounds just like here. Wine is usually drunk with food as well. I think recently beer has become more acceptable in such circumstances as well, though. Specialist brews and stuff like that becoming more "high brow" than beer normally has been considered.

Is this something people have experienced in other countries?
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KneeTheCap: Question to...well, everyone :)

Do you guys know any finnish athletes/celebrities? I'm quite curious :D
I'm a bit embarrassed to say that without Googling, Paavo Nurmi is the only one that comes to mind. ( I ran distance in HS and college).
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KneeTheCap: Question to...well, everyone :)

Do you guys know any finnish athletes/celebrities? I'm quite curious :D
The first names that came to my mind were, in this order, Paavo Nurmi, Janne Ahonen, Jari Litmanen (whom I've seen playing live, once) and, ah, Tom of Finland.
being from germany, and i want to know if jacob (or jakob) eklund is somehow known in sweden

i ask because i like the three movies and the following 6 part tv series where he is a policemen named johan falk
swedish titels being
noll tolerans
Livvakterna
Tredje vågen, Den
and the tv series: GSI

its basically semi jack bauer like, but still realistic and good detailed stories, dont expect things like explosions and shootouts from my description, its not like nobody ever shoots or something, but its more realistic crime stuff

if you are interested, you can go from here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0198837/
imdb should provide links for the other movies and series under "connections"

so for any swedish guys here:
do you know what a cool crime franchise you guys have?