Posted August 30, 2018
LootHunter
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Wolfy777
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Posted August 30, 2018
timppu: Oh yeah? So, what heroic have you done today?
I've already saved a couple of princesses (and one prince, but let's not talk about that, it was a bit awkward...), and ran over a couple of aliens while driving home. I bet by midnight before I hit the sack, a couple of werewolves and/or vampires have faced their destiny as well.
Not yet, since I'm not done studying for that monsterous exam (I'll breathe easir once it lies slain quite soon). I've already saved a couple of princesses (and one prince, but let's not talk about that, it was a bit awkward...), and ran over a couple of aliens while driving home. I bet by midnight before I hit the sack, a couple of werewolves and/or vampires have faced their destiny as well.
Tonight I'll probably: slay a few demons, rescue a pack of lost dogs, reunite a spparow mob boss with his daughter, restore a forest -> Okami (video game).
I'll also observe some most amusing mishaps in a heroic quest -> The Black Cauldron (book).
BTW, are you familiar with the concept "attacking the person and not the argument"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
A mistake if this were a logical debate.
But apparently it's not, so we can agree to disagree. :)
Wolfy777: The men wrote: "Woman, without her man, is nothing."
The women wrote: "Woman! Without her, man is nothing."
LootHunter: +1 The women wrote: "Woman! Without her, man is nothing."
This site has some similar jokes.
Link: http://people.bu.edu/wwildman/WeirdWildWeb/jokes_menwomen.htm
Post edited August 30, 2018 by Wolfy777
zeogold
The Puzzlemaster
zeogold Sorry, data for given user is currently unavailable. Please, try again later. View profile View wishlist Start conversation Invite to friends Invite to friends Accept invitation Accept invitation Pending invitation... Unblock chat Registered: Dec 2012
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Posted August 31, 2018
timppu: How is it misogynist to save the princess? Wouldn't it be misogynist not´to save the princess? Or is everything misogyny nowadays?
So how should it be instead, a woman hero saving some hapless guy? Would that be considered misandry?
The thing is, men and boys quite often like adventure and doing (or fantasizing) of doing heroic deeds where they are admired for their heroism. Women, on the other hand, enjoy cooking, raising children (preferably male children) and backstabbing each other. It's in our genes.
Hence, if you don't like games where you play a man doing heroic deeds, just skip such games. I'm sure there are enough games about cooking and raising children for you. Have you checked e.g. here?
http://www.girlsgogames.com/
There are lots of categories like cooking games, dress-up games, gossip games, backstabbing games etc.
Sure women are action heros too... in movies. But not in real life. Games are supposed to be as realistic as possible, hence male heroes. It is not a coincidence that female heroes are called "heroin(e)". Ie. like the drug. One must be on drugs to be that way, it is just unnatural.
Bless you Timppu, you glorious man. Somehow, you managed to toe the line so brilliantly that the actual sexists have taken you seriously and supported you and you've gotten somebody so pissed by it that they actually went to the trouble of breaking down your post. It's 2018, and we've finally reached the point where the forums have gone so downhill that people thought this entire thing was completely unsatirical despite the fact it was from Timppu of all people. So how should it be instead, a woman hero saving some hapless guy? Would that be considered misandry?
The thing is, men and boys quite often like adventure and doing (or fantasizing) of doing heroic deeds where they are admired for their heroism. Women, on the other hand, enjoy cooking, raising children (preferably male children) and backstabbing each other. It's in our genes.
Hence, if you don't like games where you play a man doing heroic deeds, just skip such games. I'm sure there are enough games about cooking and raising children for you. Have you checked e.g. here?
http://www.girlsgogames.com/
There are lots of categories like cooking games, dress-up games, gossip games, backstabbing games etc.
Sure women are action heros too... in movies. But not in real life. Games are supposed to be as realistic as possible, hence male heroes. It is not a coincidence that female heroes are called "heroin(e)". Ie. like the drug. One must be on drugs to be that way, it is just unnatural.
I've only ever dreamed of achieving this level of peak posting and I hope you stay on these forums long after the rest of us are gone.
jepsen1977
Nemo
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Posted August 31, 2018
I think the only true victim here is Fairfox's spellchecker who was clearly KIA.
Gonchi
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HereForTheBeer
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Posted August 31, 2018
Okay, maybe it's an irritation when a female player has to play a male character in order to rescue a female. Kinda like, "If I'm 'manly' enough to play this male character then why would a female need to be rescued anyway?"
On the other hand, who doesn't love The Princess Bride?
Done well, it shouldn't matter. Done poorly over and over again, I guess I can sorta maybe - if I squint hard enough - see how some lady players would get tired of it. But then if those games are meh, why would they be playing them anyway? Or is it just the mere existence that is problematic?
Though that begs the question from me: for you women playing games, what would you like female protagonists to be doing? As in, what sort of games do you want to see women characters taking the lead role? Maybe that's a thread... We'll see how this one goes, first.
On the other hand, who doesn't love The Princess Bride?
Done well, it shouldn't matter. Done poorly over and over again, I guess I can sorta maybe - if I squint hard enough - see how some lady players would get tired of it. But then if those games are meh, why would they be playing them anyway? Or is it just the mere existence that is problematic?
Though that begs the question from me: for you women playing games, what would you like female protagonists to be doing? As in, what sort of games do you want to see women characters taking the lead role? Maybe that's a thread... We'll see how this one goes, first.
Wolfy777
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From Slovenia
Posted August 31, 2018
HereForTheBeer: Okay, maybe it's an irritation when a female player has to play a male character in order to rescue a female. Kinda like, "If I'm 'manly' enough to play this male character then why would a female need to be rescued anyway?"
On the other hand, who doesn't love The Princess Bride?
Done well, it shouldn't matter. Done poorly over and over again, I guess I can sorta maybe - if I squint hard enough - see how some lady players would get tired of it. But then if those games are meh, why would they be playing them anyway? Or is it just the mere existence that is problematic?
Though that begs the question from me: for you women playing games, what would you like female protagonists to be doing? As in, what sort of games do you want to see women characters taking the lead role? Maybe that's a thread... We'll see how this one goes, first.
For me it depends. On the other hand, who doesn't love The Princess Bride?
Done well, it shouldn't matter. Done poorly over and over again, I guess I can sorta maybe - if I squint hard enough - see how some lady players would get tired of it. But then if those games are meh, why would they be playing them anyway? Or is it just the mere existence that is problematic?
Though that begs the question from me: for you women playing games, what would you like female protagonists to be doing? As in, what sort of games do you want to see women characters taking the lead role? Maybe that's a thread... We'll see how this one goes, first.
I don't have a problem if the game only has a male character if that fits with its story.
E.g. In "Nier" the plot revolves around a dad trying to save his daughter (Spolier: as is the final boss as his daughter has posessed the human one to keep herself alive).
However, I do count it has a big plus if the game lets you custumize your character, or at least having the option of a male or female character.
As for what the character should/would be doing, that depends on one's intrests.
I mostly play games for the story and my favourite gnere is fantasy.
Give me a good story and I'll be equally happy with a noble character or a thief rising from the gutter. :)
I like how Skyrim gives you tons of options about what you want to do.
- Join sides in a civil war or remin neutral.
- Start an adoptive family if you like.
- Play in any way you want: magic, swords, sneaking it's all in the package.
- Stay "normal" or be a vampire or even a werewolf.
Given that I like anthropomorphic animals I mostly play as a female Kahjit, usualy a thief/mage, werewolf hybrid.
I was somewhat disapointed at how the Thives Guild no longer had the "Robin Hood approach" that it had in Oblivion.
But I'm sure my character will figure out how to put her sneakiness to good use with Inigo by her side (he's the best and most entertining companion ever made in a mod in my opinion).
There's one last point I need to make.
I like to conect video games with imaginiation.
Kinda like reading a good book with a story you know in the back of your mind is ficitonal, but you enjoy it anyway + video games more or less put you in the director's seat.
- Do I like to play as a sneaky character?
Yes, a lot. Would I steal in real life? No!
- Do I like how video game characters can do well in the center of attention and can run outdoors for hours on end?
Yes. but ...
I real life I hate beeing in the spotlight and prefer a background role.
I do enjoy short walks outsides, but I'd fight having to go camping with all fours. XD
I hope I haven't strayed to much into Skyrim and that I've answered your question.
P.S. I've watched The Princess Bride and found it amusing.
Post edited August 31, 2018 by Wolfy777
timppu
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From Finland
Posted August 31, 2018
Shadowstalker16: Butt y u xpekt gaem daevleppors two maek unly stuff u paersonalee appprove off? Dun't thaey has teh freedom two maek thaeir gaem hou thaey wunt?
Gonchi: It's spreading. Should have put down the fox when we had the chance. Tht rmnds m tht vn f drp ll th vcls w, ppl cn sl ndrstnd th txt. nd t tst tht t.
Shit, it didn't work. Maybe it was only in the Finnish language... I don't recall where I read it.
Post edited August 31, 2018 by timppu
dtgreene
vaccines work she/her
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From United States
Posted August 31, 2018
Wolfy777: I don't have a problem if the game only has a male character if that fits with its story.
E.g. In "Nier" the plot revolves around a dad trying to save his daughter (Spolier: as is the final boss as his daughter has posessed the human one to keep herself alive).
Personally, I find the argument that only a male character would fit a story to be rather suspicious. For example, is there a reason the story wouldn't work if it were a mom trying to save her daughter? I find it hard to believe that the story wouldn't survive a gender swap. (Even a case like Dragon Quest 5 I could see working if the main character would be made female, particularly some suspicious events that happen around the point the main character's wife gets pregnant.) E.g. In "Nier" the plot revolves around a dad trying to save his daughter (Spolier: as is the final boss as his daughter has posessed the human one to keep herself alive).
Eschalon Book 1 I think was a particularly nasty example here; you are, when you start, presented with a character creation screen that has a spot for gender (or is it sex? I don't remember the term used) which is set to male. However, if you try to change it, you are presented with some BS along the lines of "this story only fits a male character". I note that Books 2 and 3, which are continuations of the same plot, do allow you to play as a female character, so this excuse really is BS.
So, no, I don't buy this excuse.
timppu: Oh yeah? So, what heroic have you done today?
I've already saved a couple of princesses (and one prince, but let's not talk about that, it was a bit awkward...), and ran over a couple of aliens while driving home. I bet by midnight before I hit the sack, a couple of werewolves and/or vampires have faced their destiny as well.
Wolfy777: Not yet, since I'm not done studying for that monsterous exam (I'll breathe easir once it lies slain quite soon). I've already saved a couple of princesses (and one prince, but let's not talk about that, it was a bit awkward...), and ran over a couple of aliens while driving home. I bet by midnight before I hit the sack, a couple of werewolves and/or vampires have faced their destiny as well.
Tonight I'll probably: slay a few demons, rescue a pack of lost dogs, reunite a spparow mob boss with his daughter, restore a forest -> Okami (video game).
Post edited August 31, 2018 by dtgreene
LootHunter
Political non-Euclidean
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Wolfy777
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Shadowstalker16
Jaded optimist
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Posted August 31, 2018
dtgreene: Personally, I find the argument that only a male character would fit a story to be rather suspicious.
That's infinite possibilities of stories you're dealing with. What if all women were kidnapped at the time of character creation? What if the story is about the personal and emotional journey of a male? His gender doesn't play a role in that? What if the y chromosome has shrunk to non-existence in game's timeline and males are extinct (now now, don't get excited here)? The idea that one thing can work for all stories is a retarded fallacy. Also never mind the need of an excuse in the first place. Why make games if you have to bow to everyone's ideas about plot? Then its better off to go make someone else's game because you'll never have creative freedom either way.
KneeTheCap
Nasse-Setä
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Posted August 31, 2018
dtgreene: *snip*
Personally, I find the argument that only a male character would fit a story to be rather suspicious.
*snip*
Traum, for instance, does not work at all if the main character was female. On top of that, if it was a female, it would have caused an uproar among certain people. Personally, I find the argument that only a male character would fit a story to be rather suspicious.
*snip*
See for yourself.
dtgreene
vaccines work she/her
dtgreene Sorry, data for given user is currently unavailable. Please, try again later. View profile View wishlist Start conversation Invite to friends Invite to friends Accept invitation Accept invitation Pending invitation... Unblock chat Registered: Jan 2010
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Posted August 31, 2018
Wolfy777: The Great Tournament had a mandatory male character.
The plot was that the player's character would go from a squire to a knight.
Sticking to at least a minimal amount of realism makes that impossible for a female.
And there's a scene where your mentor is trying to inspire ill-prepared soldiers for a longer battle and his speech goes along the lines:
"I know you're frightened and that you'd rather be doing something else. I'd much attend a tournament, fuck and drink so much I'd forget what I did by morning.
...
But as we were ordered by the king on this mission, we have to fulfill it.
So: fight for your families, your lives and the life of the man next to you.
Tonight might be the last time you see your home. Take a moment to remember it."
Would that speech work in a different context and not with male farmers turned into soldiers overnight? I doubt it.
I don't see any reason that plot wouldn't work with a female character; all that would really need changing is replacing the word "man" with "person". Also, there's nothing unrealistic about having a female character go from a squire to a knight. The plot was that the player's character would go from a squire to a knight.
Sticking to at least a minimal amount of realism makes that impossible for a female.
And there's a scene where your mentor is trying to inspire ill-prepared soldiers for a longer battle and his speech goes along the lines:
"I know you're frightened and that you'd rather be doing something else. I'd much attend a tournament, fuck and drink so much I'd forget what I did by morning.
...
But as we were ordered by the king on this mission, we have to fulfill it.
So: fight for your families, your lives and the life of the man next to you.
Tonight might be the last time you see your home. Take a moment to remember it."
Would that speech work in a different context and not with male farmers turned into soldiers overnight? I doubt it.
Wolfy777: In response to the second part:
Sorry, but I'll have to laugh at that one. XD
If you meant to replay to the user I replied to I get it, but otherwise, it makes 0 sense.
This response is somewhat of a joke, but it is the sort of thing I actually sometimes do when playing games. Sometimes I'll save the game, try doing something that might not be a good idea, and then reload, just to see what will happen. Sorry, but I'll have to laugh at that one. XD
If you meant to replay to the user I replied to I get it, but otherwise, it makes 0 sense.
I really love to experiment when playing games; sometimes I discover interesting things. For example, I'll attach a screenshot of something strange I remember discovering decades ago. (If you're not familiar with the game, the bottom of the screen shows the party, and the upper right is the combat log; this screenshot was taken during a battle.)
dtgreene: *snip*
Personally, I find the argument that only a male character would fit a story to be rather suspicious.
*snip*
KneeTheCap: Traum, for instance, does not work at all if the main character was female. On top of that, if it was a female, it would have caused an uproar among certain people. Personally, I find the argument that only a male character would fit a story to be rather suspicious.
*snip*
See for yourself.
Post edited August 31, 2018 by dtgreene
LootHunter
Political non-Euclidean
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From Russian Federation
Posted August 31, 2018
Wolfy777: The Great Tournament had a mandatory male character.
The plot was that the player's character would go from a squire to a knight.
Sticking to at least a minimal amount of realism makes that impossible for a female.
And there's a scene where your mentor is trying to inspire ill-prepared soldiers for a longer battle and his speech goes along the lines:
"I know you're frightened and that you'd rather be doing something else. I'd much attend a tournament, fuck and drink so much I'd forget what I did by morning.
...
But as we were ordered by the king on this mission, we have to fulfill it.
So: fight for your families, your lives and the life of the man next to you.
Tonight might be the last time you see your home. Take a moment to remember it."
Would that speech work in a different context and not with male farmers turned into soldiers overnight? I doubt it.
dtgreene: I don't see any reason that plot wouldn't work with a female character; all that would really need changing is replacing the word "man" with "person". Also, there's nothing unrealistic about having a female character go from a squire to a knight. The plot was that the player's character would go from a squire to a knight.
Sticking to at least a minimal amount of realism makes that impossible for a female.
And there's a scene where your mentor is trying to inspire ill-prepared soldiers for a longer battle and his speech goes along the lines:
"I know you're frightened and that you'd rather be doing something else. I'd much attend a tournament, fuck and drink so much I'd forget what I did by morning.
...
But as we were ordered by the king on this mission, we have to fulfill it.
So: fight for your families, your lives and the life of the man next to you.
Tonight might be the last time you see your home. Take a moment to remember it."
Would that speech work in a different context and not with male farmers turned into soldiers overnight? I doubt it.
Post edited August 31, 2018 by LootHunter