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Posted April 13, 2020
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This is not a statement, if anything this is me thinking aloud on a certain behavior displayed on the wish section.
To those that would like to join in on this here is a question for you. What is the point of requesting the addition of games found on Origin, Steam, Ubistore etc ?

Take for example the mass effect wish? Why would anyone want this to be seen on GoG i wonder? What would be the extra value?
Diablo 2 now... that seems to be a perfect example that follows the moral standard GoG tries to set out from the beginning.

Don't get me wrong, i value every game gog presents us with be it new or old. I just don't understand the need for certain wishes.

Could this be found in the moral decline described in many other topics? Is the next generation of gog'ers nothing more then whining rabble not even respected for the money they spend on games?

Help me out here if you like, understanding this, i belief misunderstanding i probably have in my reasoning :)
Posted April 13, 2020
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The point is that GOG games are DRM free, so we can play them long after Uplay, Origin and Steam stop existing.
Plus we can play them whenever and wherever we want, regardless if we have an Internet connection at that time or not.
Post edited April 13, 2020 by blotunga
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blotunga: The point is that GOG games are DRM free, so we can play them long after Uplay, Origin and Steam stop existing.
Plus we can play them whenever and wherever we want, regardless if we have an Internet connection at that time or not.
Oke i can understand point 1. Seems fair and logic though, it does seem a bit unreasable to expect that Steam or Origin won't help with keeping their games available even when the companies themselfs go bankrupt but.. yea from such a point i could understand the request for a loved game such as Mass Effect.

Point 2 though seems to be bullocks if you don't mind me adressing a lie as such
Posted April 13, 2020
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Radiance1979: Oke i can understand point 1. Seems fair and logic though, it does seem a bit unreasable to expect that Steam or Origin won't help with keeping their games available even when the companies themselfs go bankrupt but.. yea from such a point i could understand the request for a loved game such as Mass Effect.

Point 2 though seems to be bullocks if you don't mind me adressing a lie as such
We have people on GOG who for example serve on submarines, with Internet access every few months or so.
Or, the stupidity of regional pricing is beside the point, if you lived for example in Russia and moved to Germany, you loose access to all your regionally locked games on Steam and co, having to re-buy them on a different account (or ask support to remove them and re-buy them all). Does that seem ok to you?

Or how about for example, that Bethesda (or Steam) in their infinite wisdom decided that Fallout New Vegas should be the russian version for all Eastern Europeans? Maybe I want to play the German version, on GOG I can do that, on Steam, not anymore.
Post edited April 13, 2020 by blotunga
Posted April 13, 2020
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Radiance1979: Oke i can understand point 1. Seems fair and logic though, it does seem a bit unreasable to expect that Steam or Origin won't help with keeping their games available even when the companies themselfs go bankrupt but.. yea from such a point i could understand the request for a loved game such as Mass Effect.

Point 2 though seems to be bullocks if you don't mind me adressing a lie as such
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blotunga: We have people on GOG who for example serve on submarines, with Internet access every few months or so.
Or, the stupidity of regional pricing is beside the point, if you lived for example in Russia and moved to Germany, you loose access to all your regionally locked games on Steam and co, having to re-buy them on a different account (or ask support to remove them and re-buy them all). Does that seem ok to you?

Or how about for example, that Bethesda (or Steam) in their infinite wisdom decided that Fallout New Vegas should be the russian version for all Eastern Europeans? Maybe I want to play the German version, on GOG I can do that, on Steam, not anymore.
hmm oke, and if something systemwide might happen you'd need a internet connection to your preinstalled steam games for them to online register again though not in the case of mass effect but i do understand your sentiment.
Posted April 13, 2020
Also some games are unable to run on modern systems and may require a lot of workarounds to function properly, GOG games are designed to run right away so the end user does not have to download additional files or edit any code to get the game running, this is especially helpful if the end user is not experienced in doing such things.

Then there are also games that are essentially broken due to the DRM no longer working or the system that the game uses shutting down. There are a number of games that just can not be played anymore due to the DRM that it used (either the company went out of business or the publisher has no interest in updating the game themselves) so having the game here ensures a legal copy can be attained without the broken DRM.

I have the Mass Effect series on my PC and every now and then before I start the games) it wants to contact EA to ensure that the game is legit (despite the fact I did purchase it legally) so having a DRM free copy would be nice so I don't have to worry about the game coming up and say I don't own a legal copy even though I do. Then when you boot Mass Effect 2 and 3 try to connect to servers, the server for 2 is essentially dead so this causes a delay at startup which is annoying.
Posted April 13, 2020
It seems you're essentially asking "What is the purpose of DRM-free?"

Because that is the main point of wanting games on gog. Because people want DRM-free access to it. The ability to download the installer files, copy them to their own systems, and play them whenever they want, wherever they want, with no restrictions or obstacles or extra load.

Mass Effect games specifically originally came with SecurROM, although I don't know if they still have that. Still, the Origin store is such a horrible horrible thing to have to interact with, even though I have an account (for freebies from years ago), I've yet to play anything on it, and always look for those games on other platforms.

The second reason for wanting games on gog (if they are already free elsewhere) is simply to be able to have everything on a single store/account.
Post edited April 13, 2020 by babark
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babark: It seems you're essentially asking "What is the purpose of DRM-free?"

Because that is the main point of wanting games on gog. Because people want DRM-free access to it. The ability to download the installer files, copy them to their own systems, and play them whenever they want, wherever they want, with no restrictions or obstacles or extra load.

Mass Effect games specifically originally came with SecurROM, although I don't know if they still have that. Still, the Origin store is such a horrible horrible thing to have to interact with, even though I have an account (for freebies from years ago), I've yet to play anything on it, and always look for those games on other platforms.

The second reason for wanting games on gog (if they are already free elsewhere) is simply to be able to have everything on a single store/account.
No i am pretty sure if i would wanted a DRM discussion i'm certain i would have used that word quite specific. like; " i don't understand why people want their games DRM-Free "

Many situations described here seem quite foreign to me since i managed without an internetconnection for quite some time, though not atm.. i have to admit that at a certain point i did need to had acces to the internet but the same applies to installer files, also since i don't work on submarines or never am in a situation that i want games bought in country x to work in country y
Posted April 13, 2020
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Radiance1979: What is the point of requesting the addition of games found on Origin, Steam, Ubistore etc? Take for example the mass effect wish? Why would anyone want this to be seen on GoG i wonder? What would be the extra value?
1. DRM-Free and 2. Despite the "No Steam, No Buy, all my games in one place" cult, a lot of people believe that healthy competition is a good thing (and that's something that's sorely lacking for the majority of Steam-only titles on the market).
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Radiance1979: No i am pretty sure if i would wanted a DRM discussion i'm certain i would have used that word quite specific. like; " i don't understand why people want their games DRM-Free "
Wanting a GOG version for the offline installer pretty much is interchangeable with wanting a DRM-Free version for many. It's the store's sole Unique Selling Point and you simply cannot separate them, nor pretend it isn't a thing for a large chunk of GOG's customer base when wanting a discussion on the topic.
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Radiance1979: , it does seem a bit unreasable to expect that Steam or Origin won't help with keeping their games available even when the companies themselfs go bankrupt
From what I've seen it's far more wishful thinking that they will. Aside from the common sense that a store going out of business will shut down its download servers + bandwidth the same time as shutting down DRM authentication servers, there's long been an almost cult-like belief in "Gabe promised that in the event of Valve going out of business he will remove all DRM..." rumor, which as previously described turned out to be Steam 'subscribers' putting words into Gabe's mouth that he never 'promised' at all...

On the one hand it's unlikely that Valve will go bankrupt. On the other hand, with no public ownership, and with Gabe approaching his 60's (and not keeping himself in the best of shape), what happens in 10-15 years time "post-Gabe" if his potential widow (Lisa Mennet Newell who by then would be in her 70's) decides it would be a much less stressful retirement to simply sell majority control of Valve out to EA, Microsoft or Epic Games who may then declare Steam to be "legacy" platform (the same way EA did with PopCap Games store). No-one knows what the future brings but regardless, offline installers give a lot of assurance against various types of unwanted cr*p happening at the store-front end of things.
Post edited April 13, 2020 by AB2012
Posted April 13, 2020
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Radiance1979: What is the point of requesting the addition of games found on Origin, Steam, Ubistore etc? Take for example the mass effect wish? Why would anyone want this to be seen on GoG i wonder? What would be the extra value?
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AB2012: 1. DRM-Free and 2. Despite the "No Steam, No Buy, all my games in one place" cult, a lot of people believe that healthy competition is a good thing (and that's something that's sorely lacking for the majority of Steam-only titles on the market).
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Radiance1979: No i am pretty sure if i would wanted a DRM discussion i'm certain i would have used that word quite specific. like; " i don't understand why people want their games DRM-Free "
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AB2012: Wanting a GOG version for the offline installer pretty much is interchangeable with wanting a DRM-Free version for many. It's the store's sole Unique Selling Point and you simply cannot separate them, nor pretend it isn't a thing for a large chunk of GOG's customer base when wanting a discussion on the topic.
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Radiance1979: , it does seem a bit unreasable to expect that Steam or Origin won't help with keeping their games available even when the companies themselfs go bankrupt
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AB2012: From what I've seen it's far more wishful thinking that they will. Aside from the common sense that a store going out of business will shut down its download servers + bandwidth the same time as shutting down DRM authentication servers, there's long been an almost cult-like belief in "Gabe promised that in the event of Valve going out of business he will remove all DRM..." rumor, which as previously described turned out to be Steam 'subscribers' putting words into Gabe's mouth that he never 'promised' at all...

On the one hand it's unlikely that Valve will go bankrupt. On the other hand, with no public ownership, and with Gabe approaching his 60's (and not keeping himself in the best of shape), what happens in 10-15 years time "post-Gabe" if his potential widow (Lisa Mennet Newell who by then would be in her 70's) decides it would be a much less stressful retirement to simply sell majority control of Valve out to EA, Microsoft or Epic Games who may then declare Steam to be "legacy" platform (the same way EA did with PopCap Games store). No-one knows what the future brings but regardless, offline installers give a lot of assurance against various types of unwanted cr*p happening at the store-front end of things.
Oke oke, this answers my question complete. I guess i am on the side of being oblivous to DRM. Yes i feel that criminals are responsible anyway, i hope that makes my point clear :D .

Thank you for that holistic answer to everything ;)
Posted April 13, 2020
glad others could answer your questions.
but ya it is about DRM, I love playing games offline and stuff, achievements and some times modding is something you miss. But achievements can really be a pain to get, the modding thing is just annoying if you can mod other versions but not the gog version.
Posted April 13, 2020
EDIT: OK I see now the discussion was covered already, but what the heck.
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Radiance1979: Take for example the mass effect wish? Why would anyone want this to be seen on GoG i wonder? What would be the extra value?
1. GOG supports its games officially as DRM-free releases, EA Origin doesn't. I'd wish to have the DRM-free version of the trilogy.

2. Related to the above, I also like how GOG provides me with standalone offline installer files for the game, that don't require a client (like GOG Galaxy or EA Origin) to run.

Were you really that unknowing of GOG's DRM-free aspect that you had to ask? Or was it more about that you can't understand why anyone would want a game DRM-free and with an easily archivable offline installer? Just let me know and I will gladly explain in more detail, ok?
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Radiance1979: Help me out here if you like, understanding this, i belief misunderstanding i probably have in my reasoning :)
Did this help?
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Radiance1979: Diablo 2 now... that seems to be a perfect example that follows the moral standard GoG tries to set out from the beginning.
What is that "moral standard"? DRM-free?

I think the only moral standards GOG, or any digital store for that matter, have and should have are:

1. Make money for your owners. (GOG apparently feels that e.g. DRM-free gaming and reviving some classic games is what brings them money, differentiating them enough from the other stores).

2. Don't break consumer laws in the countries where you operate actively.
Post edited April 14, 2020 by timppu
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Radiance1979: Oke i can understand point 1. Seems fair and logic though, it does seem a bit unreasable to expect that Steam or Origin won't help with keeping their games available even when the companies themselfs go bankrupt but.. yea from such a point i could understand the request for a loved game such as Mass Effect.
If they went bankrupt, it is not their decision anymore whether or not they keep the games available (=downloadable) for their former customers. There is no law that requires them to do that, and the creditors of the bankrupt company probably demand that their money must not be wasted on keeping up an unprofitable operation (so that the former customers could keep on playing their games on the service).

Plus, even if the store decided to make all their games DRM-free after backruptcy... again it is not really their decision alone, they'd have to get a permission from all the games' publishers (IP rights holders) whether they are fine with that, and again the creditors might say that no money can be used to pay the wages of the people who are supposed to "release" the DRM from games.

We have lots of examples, both in gaming and other digital stores, where people have been unable to keep downloading their games after the closure of the store/service. Desura, DotEmu, OnLive, Strategy First's store, some e-book stores whose names I don't remember etc.
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Radiance1979: also since i don't work on submarines or never am in a situation that i want games bought in country x to work in country y
I don't work in a submarine, but I certainly want my games bought in Finland still work if I take my gaming laptop abroad (e.g. to Thailand) and try to install and play the games there. I've done that already, you knows?
Post edited April 13, 2020 by timppu
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Radiance1979: Oke i can understand point 1. Seems fair and logic though, it does seem a bit unreasable to expect that Steam or Origin won't help with keeping their games available even when the companies themselfs go bankrupt but.. yea from such a point i could understand the request for a loved game such as Mass Effect.
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timppu: If they went bankrupt, it is not their decision anymore whether or not they keep the games available (=downloadable) for their former customers. There is no law that requires them to do that, and the creditors of the bankrupt company probably demand that their money must not be wasted on keeping up an unprofitable operation (so that the former customers could keep on playing their games on the service).

Plus, even if the store decided to make all their games DRM-free after backruptcy... again it is not really their decision alone, they'd have to get a permission from all the games' publishers (IP rights holders) whether they are fine with that, and again the creditors might say that no money can be used to pay the wages of the people who are supposed to "release" the DRM from games.

We have lots of examples, both in gaming and other digital stores, where people have been unable to keep downloading their games after the closure of the store/service. Desura, DotEmu, OnLive, Strategy First's store, some e-book stores whose names I don't remember etc.
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Radiance1979: also since i don't work on submarines or never am in a situation that i want games bought in country x to work in country y
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timppu: I don't work in a submarine, but I certainly want my games bought in Finland still work if I take my gaming laptop abroad (e.g. to Thailand) and try to install and play the games there. I've done that already, you knows?
Well i do value your extra input.
There does seem to be a sort of sentiment, a moral standpoint in that what you own should be yours forever to put it plainly and in that I agree.
Jewelry and clothes do seem to go with the same rights, cars are a different standpoint as are some other technicalities. From that line of thinking i could theoritize about how computers are actually quite a lot to bring into another country, especially if there are rules that excist within that country prohibiting the use of certain software for their own inhabitants. So that is another point which GoG software with their rules seem to evade.

Of course a game such as wolvenstein, i'm not sure which version you get when you buy the wolvenstein games through GoG but i guess if you have the one with the nazi logo visible you and gog are more or less in violation if you would play the game in Germany?

It might be a bit simplified and of course the ultimate question "would it be harmfull" applies here. Literally on a daily basis people loose what they have payed for in different branches. Be it because of a scam or bancruptcy, all within legal boundaries and again for that standpoint I understand the ruckus some people make.

In your case, if you go to Tailand and you would had to adjust the content of your library would that be such a big problem? and of course again i do understand the convenience a solution such as gog uses brings to the table but all in all I really don't understand the importance.. on a personal matter
Posted April 14, 2020
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Radiance1979: In your case, if you go to Tailand and you would had to adjust the content of your library would that be such a big problem?
Wrong question. The correct question is, why should I have to adjust the content just because I happen to take my laptop with me temporarily to another country, as a tourist or a work trip?

To me it sounds just as odd that if I took a book abroad with me, suddenly I couldn't read it there. Or some piece of music in my phone would become silent abroad, I couldn't listen to it there.

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Radiance1979: and of course again i do understand the convenience a solution such as gog uses brings to the table but all in all I really don't understand the importance.. on a personal matter
If you can't understand the importance, I guess I can't help you there. I prefer that there are as few strings attached as possible with my purchases, digital or physical. Less unpleasant surprises, like my purchase ceasing to work due to reason X which I couldn't anticipate.
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