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I got a Steam account, however... it has not been used for way to long. In the past 5+ years the account was just here in order to catch the few DRM free games there, not available on GOG, 7 games in total now.

Many years ago i was playing Civ 5 as well on Steam but i stopped playing it, since the release of many other good games in the same genre, "Old World" for example, which is still updated very frequently on GoG. I am surely a bit sad there is not any new Civ being released on GoG anymore because Civ 5 is not "new" at all, from 2010... but the publisher does not seem to care anymore.

Anyway, i can live with it... there are just way to many other good games, there is no need to compensate the few missing ones with a DRM store, this is now the past, time simply has changed for me. I notice it; if i can not even play many great DRM free games anymore, simply not enough time to play them all... at this moment there is simply no need anymore accepting worse conditions.

Besides, in my mind Old World is not entirely at the same level of a Civ, yet they got a refreshing new way of handling many new gameplay elements, so, pretty interesting to play. For Civ fans... a must... but, according to the stats not even 1 of 50 is playing it... the mainstream simply need the name "Civ" else they will not even touch it.
Post edited August 28, 2024 by Xeshra
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timppu: I don't really see how using EGS instead of Steam is some kind of rebellious and brave thing to do.
There is the possibility of using something like Heroic to download games from GOG and Epic, which you can't do with Steam.

I'm not sure how big of a statement that is, but at least you are not using their official client software then.
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timppu: I don't really see how using EGS instead of Steam is some kind of rebellious and brave thing to do.
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PixelBoy: There is the possibility of using something like Heroic to download games from GOG and Epic, which you can't do with Steam.

I'm not sure how big of a statement that is, but at least you are not using their official client software then.
Well yeah, I thought his point was that he uninstalls all Steam games from his PC and refuses to play them anymore.

Many took that to mean that he will embrace GOG DRM-free gaming on his PC from now on, but I wondered because in another thread he mentioned wanting to buy that new Black Myth game from EGS (instead of Steam).

So I guess he will be playing that then, not on Steam but on EGS. I don't see much difference there.

I will still play my Steam games, and occasionally I even buy games to my Steam accounts, like the recent Monster Hunter collection that was sold on Humble Bundle, it was just too good to pass and I am 98% sure those games will not come to GOG. Before that, it must have been a couple of years since I bought any game specifically to Steam, unless I got a Steam key with e.g. buying some game DRM-free directly from a developer and also got a Steam key on top of it.

Yeah I intend to play many of the games I have on Steam, meaning to continue with e.g. Portal 2 and there are many more.
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vv221: Oh, it’s actually very easy:
Only easy if you don't care about any games not at GOG.

There are a great many great games not available at GOG, so being happy about limiting your selection and choices is where it all starts. If you are happy with that, then I guess it is easy.

Me, I tend to look at it as though GOG never existed ... then what would I have done. Would I have just gone without ... I seriously doubt that ... I'd probably limit what I bought from Steam though, which is exactly what I currently do. I hold off for the many that will eventually make their way to GOG, and just buy a handful that I know will likely never turn up there. Those few, are games and game series I was into before the advent of Steam. Aside from that, I never browse Steam to find new games, just grab the odd freebie when I find out about it.

Like many, I guess I have a Love/Hate relationship with Steam .... because Steam is not all negatives.
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Timboli: Surely the key thing is to enjoy the games you really want to play, almost regardless of the store you have them at.
Basically, yes. Still, there can be other reasons at play that can overrule that ground line.

As example, the outcry against anything Russian since the Russian invasion of Ukraine. People who before this event would have given no thought of going along with a game such as Rogue Trader turned into firm opposers.
Post edited August 28, 2024 by Zimerius
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Timboli: Only easy if you don't care about any games not at GOG.
I’m not limiting myself to GOG, actually only 20~25% of my DRM-free games come from GOG.

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Timboli: There are a great many great games not available at GOG, so being happy about limiting your selection and choices is where it all starts.
Despite my "limited" selection, I own several thousands DRM-free games. Out of an obviously much bigger pool of DRM-free games.

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Timboli: Me, I tend to look at it as though GOG never existed ... then what would I have done. Would I have just gone without ... I seriously doubt that ...
I would have shopped at other DRM-free games stores, like I actually already do. And I expect another of these stores would have taken its place as "the DRM-free place", in a similar way that I believe a world without Valve would have seen the rise of DRM anyway, only pushed by another actor.

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Timboli: Like many, I guess I have a Love/Hate relationship with Steam .... because Steam is not all negatives.
To each their own, but to me the DRM is too much of a negative to be overcome by anything. Even for free, I simply do not want DRM in my games (or any other software/media by the way).
Post edited August 28, 2024 by vv221
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timppu: .

Many took that to mean that he will embrace GOG DRM-free gaming on his PC from now on, but I wondered because in another thread he mentioned wanting to buy that new Black Myth game from EGS (instead of Steam).

So I guess he will be playing that then, not on Steam but on EGS. I don't see much difference there.
All versions of the insanely hyped Black Myth Wukong are using Denuvo Anti Tamper, a strong DRM.

Despite the heavy PC demand, over 1 million gamers are currently playing it on Steam, i guess many PCs are gonna become vapor-devices.
I'm soooooooo happy 'Menace' will at least release on EPIC games... ;-)

nothing yet about a GoG release tho.. Maybe with Hooded Horse as publisher that chance will be higher as previously thought? I mean, i think i read somewhere that during the game's first announcement, the sentiment was not in favour of GoG. If i remember correct HH was also not yet in the picture at that time... I imagine Battlebro's being one of GoG's better sellers so i found the news a bit dissapointing
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Xeshra: All versions of the insanely hyped Black Myth Wukong are using Denuvo Anti Tamper, a strong DRM.

Despite the heavy PC demand, over 1 million gamers are currently playing it on Steam, i guess many PCs are gonna become vapor-devices.
Yeah, it does seem to be that way to be honest. Im not heavily involved in the piracy scene but apparently, Denuvo is insanely difficult/tedious to crack so piracy is effectively dead. Unless devs choose to go no DRM or remove Denuvo and other DRM after several years, the game will be vaporware. Not only does this mean that games wont run at "peak perfornance," it adds another risk of games becoming unplayable from Denuvo itself crapping out.
https://www.pcgamer.com/a-great-day-for-drm-as-denuvo-lapse-renders-tons-of-games-temporarily-unplayable/

And yeah, this apparently affected offline, single player games too.
I did another surprisingly difficult thing. I decided to decrease the installed game count to 50 (see attachment) Now i hate myself for doing it!
Pre non-steam era i've grown accustomed to have more than 300 titles installed. Somewhere along the way tho, i started with a chain of thoughts that atm suggest that large amounts of installed games actually hamper my cul the backlog initiative.

Time will tell

oops

Somehow, Origin managed to crawl into a corner. The Origin games not showing are - ME Trilogy Remastered, NFS Payback and Command and Conquer Remastered. Totalling 50 titles To note, the image displays games bought from different sources namely EGS,GoG,Ubisoft connect and XboX(windows)

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Vote for Memoriapolis dudes :D

https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/memoriapolis_5pm_studio

I need it here!!!!!!!
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Zimerius: I did another surprisingly difficult thing. I decided to decrease the installed game count to 50 (see attachment) Now i hate myself for doing it!
Pre non-steam era i've grown accustomed to have more than 300 titles installed. (…)
Do you really play that many games at the same time?

Here, beside the games I am currently working on, I rarely have more than 4~5 games installed at once for the purpose of actually playing them. Right now that would be Alpha Centauri (that one I never uninstall) and Stellaris (currently playing a nice custom-made cyberpunk empire).
Post edited September 01, 2024 by vv221
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Zimerius: I did another surprisingly difficult thing. I decided to decrease the installed game count to 50 (see attachment) Now i hate myself for doing it!
Pre non-steam era i've grown accustomed to have more than 300 titles installed. (…)
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vv221: Do you really play that many games at the same time?

Here, beside the games I am currently working on, I rarely have more than 4~5 games installed at once for the purpose of actually playing them. Right now that would be Alpha Centauri (that one I never uninstall) and Stellaris (currently playing a nice custom-made cyberpunk empire).
Well of course not, you always play one game at a time good sir ;).

I think it was comfortable to me to have a lot of games installed.
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vv221: Oh, it’s actually very easy:
1. Don’t create an account on any DRM store
2. No step 2 ;)
I have an account on Steam. I created it to view aggregated review scores for erotic games (many of them, you can't view unless you have an account).

But I have zero purchases on the Steam store which can be annoying, because it means I can't post there (the devs are often more active replying to inquiries in the Steam forums). Still, sticking to my guns on this one.

The only time I'd ever install the Steam client on a machine would be if I wanted to release a game (for troubleshooting purposes, Steam has too big of a market share to ignore), but I'd install it on a separate test machine. Wouldn't dream of polluting my main computer or even my side gaming boxes with one of those dreadful third party bloatware that runs in the background all the time. I'm the owner, captain and master of my computers, thank you very much.

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JakobFel: Even when I was a GOG fanboy, I knew I couldn't entirely remove Steam games from my system. Partially because my library over there is massive (over 1200 games total, though only roughly 850 are paid games; many of them I got from giveaways), but also because they still have a superior amount of games to buy.

However, GOG has been on the rapid downslope for me over the past year and a half and I've since found myself using Steam so much more. It sucks because I still love DRM-free and hate how Steam basically created the DRM crisis in PC gaming, but Steam offers a better product (more useful store, better client), way more value to their customers, they don't force you to consent to data theft, they make it convenient for non-credit card holders due to prepaid wallet cards, and their service has so many more features (profile customization is phenomenal there). Not to mention the existence of the Steam Deck and their pretty useful mobile apps.

But hey, what are we gonna do? When even someone who had communication with GOG staff and regularly engaged with them online can't seem to get feedback through to them, there's not much else I can do except go where I feel valued as a customer.
To each his own. I hate drm in purchased products so much that if I didn't have a viable drm-free alternative to purchase from (that promotes games as drm-free, not that might be drm-free and perhaps I have to do hacks and whatnot), I'd stop purchasing games and I'd just play what I have (which is enough to last me a lifetime).

Under such a scenario, the only way I'd possibly consider paying for games in the future would be if a service like Netflix emerged for gaming. As in, you charge me about 20$ a month and give me access to thousands of games I don't own.

Its not ownership and it is horrible for preservation, but it is cheap and honest about what it is and I can respect that. And if game creators complain that they aren't making enough from their games under such a model, I'll tell them it is their own freaking fault for not selling their games drm-free. Want to make real money from your games? Then, give up some control. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

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Xeshra: All versions of the insanely hyped Black Myth Wukong are using Denuvo Anti Tamper, a strong DRM.

Despite the heavy PC demand, over 1 million gamers are currently playing it on Steam, i guess many PCs are gonna become vapor-devices.
You know, I think the aholes making those decisions are not getting enough flak.

They should have their name and picture recorded for prosperity. That way, future generations can know that access to this or that game was lost forever, because such and such a CEO wanted to squeese the very last possible dollar from their product.
Post edited September 01, 2024 by Magnitus
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Zimerius: Well of course not, you always play one game at a time good sir ;).
My bad, the phrasing was not clear.

By "at a time", I meant having pending saved games in many games at a time, switching from one to the other without waiting for the completion of the previous game.

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Magnitus: The only time I'd ever install the Steam client on a machine would be if I wanted to release a game (for troubleshooting purposes, Steam has too big of a market share to ignore), but I'd install it on a separate test machine. Wouldn't dream of polluting my main computer or even my side gaming boxes with one of those dreadful third party bloatware that runs in the background all the time. I'm the owner, captain and master of my computers, thank you very much.
I’m with you on that, I even install LGOGDownloader in a container to avoid polluting my main system with QtWebEngine, a.k.a. Google Chrome (the Debian build comes with support for the Web login, relying on QtWebEngine).
Post edited September 01, 2024 by vv221
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Zimerius: Well of course not, you always play one game at a time good sir ;).
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vv221: My bad, the phrasing was not clear.

By "at a time", I meant having pending saved games in many games at a time, switching from one to the other without waiting for the completion of the previous game.
I think it is because i don't see many games similarly as to uhm......, let's say books or movies. I've been enjoying games from quite some time now, and sometimes i play a game just to enjoy it's specific 'loop'.

I just started playing Far Cry 5, a game with a assumed budget of 80 to 130 million dollar

The game starts with a nice action scene but after those first few minutes, when you enter the open world all interaction becomes so moronic shallow. It is like laughable. Will i finish this game, maybe... but i only will enjoy the shooting reaching objectives part because the story.. like lol you know

So i start playing for maybe the first 10 hours before i become utterly dulled. Then in a couple of months i'll pick up the story and see how far i manage then.
Post edited September 01, 2024 by Zimerius