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Posted September 29, 2015
Have it your way.

<span class="bold">Way of The Samurai 4</span>, a crazy, feudal samurai adventure, is available now, DRM-free on GOG.com with a 40% launch discount.

You haven't roamed like this before (unless you played this series before). Way of the Samurai is a previously Playstation exclusive series that's famous for being positively ridiculous, and immensely influenced by your own choices. The series premieres on PC with Way of the Samurai 4, the biggest, most malleable entry so far. You arrive at a fictional Japanese port in a vaguely feudal setting, from this point on - the story is yours.

Way of the Samurai 4 presents a uniquely Japanese take on nonlinearity. You're both capable of changing the world around you, and impressively insignificant.
The world isn't going to wait up for you to make up your mind, events will continue taking place, and the end is inevitable. How you choose to play the cards you're dealt, and whether you decide do anything at all, will affect the outcome. Beneath an action-adventure layer, the game is also a true role playing sandbox - become a samurai hero, a selfish bandit, or a suave, silent protagonist. You'll have a huge amount of control in creating your character or how you play him, and if you ever want to interrupt a cutscene by slashing everyone to pieces, well, that's your prerogative.

You can also pick up the <span class="bold">Way of The Samurai 4 DLC Pack</span>, including new missions, new weapons, new clothing, and returning characters! Check it out.

Walk your path in the <span class="bold">Way of The Samurai 4</span>, available now, DRM-free on GOG.com. The launch discount will last for one week, until October 9, 12:59 PM GMT.
Posted September 30, 2015
Although I'm VERY happy to see this release on GOG, since it is a series I've wanted to try out for a while, I'm also disappointed that there is no Complete edition. Granted, though, that's because Ghostlight currently doesn't offer one.

I'm kind of divided on the issue. The discount is nice and I want to support Ghostlight, but I'm considering waiting to see if they eventually decide to make a Complete edition. Then again, GOG lately hasn't been providing Complete Editions even when they ARE available. I'm STILL waiting for the Democracy 3 Complete Edition to show up here. =/

In any case, wishlisted for now.
Post edited September 30, 2015 by Gandos
Posted September 30, 2015
bought. oh crap.is the dlc worth it?
Posted September 30, 2015
YESSS YESSSSSS YYYYEEEESSSSSS!!!!!!!!!

DREAMS HAVE COME TRUE!!
Posted September 30, 2015
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Tallima: I am of the people who cannot tell the difference. Here's some interesting stuff if you care to peruse some more:
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markrichardb: I can’t see the difference, I feel it. The responsiveness on screen is faster, as if player and input device has achieved a higher level of control. It can be the difference between a reasonable yet detached experience, and making you feel like a demi-god. Unsurprisingly everyone on either side of the argument seems more focused on what the eye perceives, which just goes to show why developers prefer dumping valuable game resources into pretty visuals. How do you market a game to the public on how it ‘feels’ when that cannot be conveyed through videos or screenshots? We humans need something more tangible.

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JinseiNGC224: This is the most bizarre release thread of comments I've ever seen. I couldn't give two squats less if it's running at 30 fps or not just as long as the game itself works and is playable.
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markrichardb: When it comes to Japanese games on PC, we can’t afford to be picky. That’s already rarer than a copy of Suburban Commando on Blu-ray!
Your absolutely right. We should be grateful this is even here, let alone being on PC at all. Ghostlight is a rare publisher indeed. Hopefully they'll port a bunch more Japanese games to PC at some point.

I would consider picking up Mugen Souls if they published it here as well, since it is a game they're porting.
Posted September 30, 2015
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Gandos: Although I'm VERY happy to see this release on GOG, since it is a series I've wanted to try out for a while, I'm also disappointed that there is no Complete edition. Granted, though, that's because Ghostlight currently doesn't offer one.

I'm kind of divided on the issue. The discount is nice and I want to support Ghostlight, but I'm considering waiting to see if they eventually decide to make a Complete edition. Then again, GOG lately hasn't been providing Complete Editions even when they ARE available. I'm STILL waiting for the Democracy 3 Complete Edition to show up here. =/

In any case, wishlisted for now.
Buy the game. Then buy the DLC. Now, you have a complete edition.



Why even bother making the distinction? Even if editions of games with extra content are offered, it's almost always split up as Game + DLC in GOG's interface anyway. Functionally, it shouldn't matter.
Posted September 30, 2015
For those that have played both series, is this sorta like Saints Row in a Samurai setting, at least the overall feel? That's the vibe I'm getting from it.
Posted September 30, 2015
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Gandos: Although I'm VERY happy to see this release on GOG, since it is a series I've wanted to try out for a while, I'm also disappointed that there is no Complete edition. Granted, though, that's because Ghostlight currently doesn't offer one.

I'm kind of divided on the issue. The discount is nice and I want to support Ghostlight, but I'm considering waiting to see if they eventually decide to make a Complete edition. Then again, GOG lately hasn't been providing Complete Editions even when they ARE available. I'm STILL waiting for the Democracy 3 Complete Edition to show up here. =/

In any case, wishlisted for now.
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Chacranajxy: Buy the game. Then buy the DLC. Now, you have a complete edition.

Why even bother making the distinction? Even if editions of games with extra content are offered, it's almost always split up as Game + DLC in GOG's interface anyway. Functionally, it shouldn't matter.
The same reason why I purchase GOTY and other such Editions instead of buying the base game and then the DLC individually; I just prefer to buy everything together rather than piecemeal. I know it is semantics and I understand if you don't seem much point or difference, but I just don't like buying games in parts. I want a (more or less) complete package from the get go.

Furthermore, there's really no reason NOT to offer such editions, at least when developers/publishers make them available. As long as they don't go overboard (by like having a million types of editions and such), having more purchasing options is good. And especially when it comes to digitally distributed games, it costs nothing to offer such editions.

Lastly, sometimes, it's cheaper to buy everything together rather than individually. So there is occasionally also a financial benefit to doing so.

Ultimately, it's a preference. Heck, there are people who are the opposite and prefer to buy the base game and then any DLC separately, which is why GOG so often offers the base game + edition upgrade separately in addition to the Deluxe/Ultimate/Whatever edition of the game.
Posted September 30, 2015
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Chacranajxy: The eye can definitely tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps. Hell, even between 60ffps and 120fps. This is... not really anything new.
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bad_fur_day1: I've made most of my life as a motion visual artist, I don't believe the human eye can differentiate it. Unless you have scientific proof, I won't.
Then you are visually impaired and that's all there is to it, similar to how some people are color blind.
The difference is obvious to people whom have no such impairment.

http://boallen.com/fps-compare.html

http://30vs60.com/
Posted September 30, 2015
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Crosmando: What a weird thing to get all huffy about
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omega64: Weird thing?
Yeah, you know: bad ports are neat things so it's really weird to be all "huffy" about it. I must be a total stupid moron.

D'uh...
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Zoidberg: Meh... heard mostly bad things about this one (30fps lock among others)...
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Smannesman: You've become a real Debbie Downer lately man.
I thought that was my role :P
I've heard about this one and how bad it is technically, I was just making sure the info was out there for those eventually interested...

I'm not a "downer" for no reason...
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bad_fur_day1: Absolutely having to play a game at 60 frames per second is pedantic. I don't believe your eyes can even pick that up.

Do you think television or films look jittery? Film at the cinema is 24 frames per second.

That's 60! 60 frames per one, one second! Are you kidding?

Driving games maybe, but really it just sounds cooler so everyone can feel impressed with themselves.
*sigh*

This post is proof of all that is wrong with the gaming public from a technical point of view.

You like movies? Go see them, but games are totally different, just so you know...
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omega64: I'm not sure why I would even need to justify it. xD
It feels/looks worse to me, that's all I need. It's my own money and time I'm spending after all. :P

Edit: for example, I kept screwing up the timing for counters in Metal Gear Rising due to the game locking itself at 50 fps for some reason. (which I fixed by turning vsync off entirely)
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bad_fur_day1: Fair enough. I respect your right to like or dislike any game you want and not buy it for whatever reason. ^^

I was just flipping out a bit, I don't think the human eye can actually tell the difference, but that's just me.
Your BRAIN can feel it (well any rightly constituted human being at least).

As said, at a higher framerate your brain gets more information and most games (action, racing, etc) have smoother gameplay than lower framerates, FACT!

At 30fps, you have 1/30th of a second between the feedback of the image you're seeing and the following image.
At 60, you have 1/60th of a second. That's basically DOUBLE the feedback.

Games DO play better at a higher framerate than at a lower one. Just the illusion of animation (around 25fps) is not enough to make a smooth gameplay.

You don't need that for movies, although I had seen a short years ago that was at 60fps and I had found it quite much more realistic. Mostly because it is less blurry.
Post edited September 30, 2015 by Zoidberg
Posted September 30, 2015
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markrichardb: When it comes to Japanese games on PC, we can’t afford to be picky. That’s already rarer than a copy of Suburban Commando on Blu-ray!
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JinseiNGC224: Your absolutely right. We should be grateful this is even here, let alone being on PC at all.
And this is because of reactions like this that japanese devs/editors don't give a shit about offering a decent experience to those stupid "gaijins".

*facepalm*

Sorry but this is almost depressing.

At least I know I'm in the group that thinks it deserves more than this...
Posted September 30, 2015
Fair enough guys, I'll submit people born with hawk eyes can tell the difference. :P

I don't think I can differentiate one sixtieth of a second.
Post edited September 30, 2015 by bad_fur_day1
Posted September 30, 2015
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BrandeX: http://30vs60.com/
I tried that and I have to say it's difficult to really see a difference. I wish they would add a voting buttong which one is better and then randomly exchange the left-right order of the videos and then showing a statistics and if the statistics is not at least 80:20 in favor of 60 fps it probably doesn't pay off. Or maybe I'm visually impaired too.

Anyway, the game sounds nice and fun. The only question is if the emphasis is more on hack and slash or more on the adventure side?
Posted September 30, 2015
Interesting game... Looks good.
Post edited September 30, 2015 by Azrael360
Posted September 30, 2015
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Zoidberg: ...Your BRAIN can feel it (well any rightly constituted human being at least).

As said, at a higher framerate your brain gets more information and most games (action, racing, etc) have smoother gameplay than lower framerates, FACT!

At 30fps, you have 1/30th of a second between the feedback of the image you're seeing and the following image.
At 60, you have 1/60th of a second. That's basically DOUBLE the feedback. ...
Maybe the brains of some people are not fast enough to process that double amount of feedback? I mean that there must be a limit since for example the speed of information processing in our brains is highly parallel but not very fast. Signals travel along nerves with maybe a 100 m/s but not much more.

So while more fps is always better there must be a practical limit beyond which it doesn't really bring much additional gain.

Where this limit is exactly, I guess some more scientific studies with double blind conditions and good statistical analysis (to maybe identify subgroups with worse abilities) would be nice.
Posted September 30, 2015
If you enable the Vsync setting in AC2, if you are runniing at 60fps the game is fine, but as soon as you drop below that it instantly slams in to 30fps and holds it there until it can render at 60 fps again. It vary obvious and jarring to suddenly being moving in slow motion and twitchy/blurry. I disable Vsyning in that game and let it bounce from 55 to 60 as I play and it feel smooth and normal.

Oh, FF13 does this also, so I just set it to stay at 30fps
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