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Posted July 24, 2015
Greetings, Hunters!

<span class="bold">Victor Vran</span>, an action filled next step in aRPG design, is available now for Windows and Mac - complete with GOG Galaxy Achievements, DRM-free, and 10% off for the first week!

In a genre that's seen immense highs and extended lows, it seems that we're always waiting for the secret formula for the perfect action RPG. Some say it's all about an overwhelming amount of loot, upgrades and treats galore. Others choose to experiment with new and innovative ways to connect their players, or to give them new types of control over making their character one of a kind. Victor Vran brings its own answers to the table.

It's a game that places movement and action first, truly putting the "action" in the aRPG, eliminating the boundaries of a traditional class system, and opting for freeform gear-based progression. A combat-oriented approach doesn't mean that Victor Vran is lacking in the other departments either - there's plenty of loot to collect and increasingly awesome weapons to find (including what looks an awful lot like a lightsaber) as well as innovative character progression. All that's there, however, is enhanced by an unprecedented movement system that will have you (and up to 4 of your co-op buddies) leaping, dodging and wallrunning. It's a game where survival is based on so much more than how hard you can hit.



GOG.com Exclusive Bonus
For a little something special, your copy of the game will come with a one-time-use GOG.com-exclusive Treasure Key! Just log in to your GOG.com account, start your single-player game, and redeem it in-game for a fountain of gold and the following drops:

- Med Kit (Legendary) - An endless healing potion.
- Hope Destiny Card (Uncommon) - Provides additional health when equipped. Can be equipped on level 2.
- Diamond Demon Power (Uncommon) - Creates a protective shield. Can be equipped immediately.
- Gift Box - A box that can be opened for random loot.
- Red, Green and Blue dyes - Used to colorize your outfit. Transmutation unlocks at level 16.




Q&A With The Devs
Have questions about the game that only the devs can answer? Join the team behind Victor Vran for a special Q&A session this coming Monday!
Boyan (Lead Designer) and Momchil (Designer) from Haemimont Games will be visiting our forums on Monday (July 27) starting 6pm GMT (8pm CEST / 2pm EST / 11am PST to answer all your questions about the game, the life behind game development, or their favorite type of sandwich. Save the date, stay tuned for the announcement thread, and come hang out with us.


Experience the definition of "a" in aRPG with <span class="bold">Victor Vran</span>, DRM-free on GOG.com! The launch discount will last for one week, until Friday, July 31, at 9:59 AM GMT.
Posted July 25, 2015
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Matruchus: It was explained several times already by others. First: game itself is drm-free. Second: Exclusive bonus features included with the game need online activation which falls under drm definition. And yes I know you can get the same bonus feature in game by playing it. But if a company give us a free (dlc or whatever) booster pack and I need online activation for that to get it then it certainly falls under drm. Eitherway that's my stance on this.
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micktiegs_8: So just because they gave you the option, you're completely against it? So, if the game released here with all the same features but didn't give announce that we had an appreciation gift, you'd buy the game??
I say yes
for me drm-free it's more important than stupid bonus
Post edited July 25, 2015 by LiefLayer
Posted July 25, 2015
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mrkgnao: snip
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micktiegs_8: from Gabriel Dobrev, CEO, Director, and Founder of Haemimontgames:
"Hello Michael,
Thank you for the opportunity to provide an official answer to this question.

Treasure Hunts and Bounties do not unlock new areas. In order to complete them the player must visit a number of areas which she have gained access to while playing the game. They provide new and interesting challenges to players that have already completed the story and unlocked all areas in the game.

Each Treasure Hunt and Bounty has a Treasure Key which you can share with your friends or the community so they can redeem exactly the same item. Sharing is optional and you don't get any in-game benefits from sharing.

We created the GOG special GIFT-OF-GEAR using the same item sharing system that already existed. We did not realise that this will be considered as DRM by some people. The gift is not mandatory, it's a token of appreciation to the GOG community that we created with the tools we already had at our disposal."
Thank you.

Seems pretty clear to me:
There are some side quests (called treasure hunts) that one can play only if:
(a) one goes online
OR
(b) someone else goes online and gives one the code

Since I will do neither, were I to play this game I would be missing some side quests, hence as a completionist my single-player campaign would be deficient.

No thank you, Haemimont and GOG.

[P.S. And I'm not even talking about the exclusive ome-time-use bonus here]
Post edited July 25, 2015 by mrkgnao
Posted July 25, 2015
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HijacK: Additional file? You do realize these files already exist in the game, right? And what's it to stop someone from just uploading these "miraculous files" for people to use on other services? Where's the exclusivity then? And as a matter of fact, why do people bitch about such an nonsensical thing when they don't even have to use the freaking code to get the items. Just use the console commands and get on with your lives.
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jsjrodman: Indeed, with any DRM-free game, there is no technical measure that stops that experience from being duplicated for other users.
Not that with DRM is any other way. As I pointed out, and you obviously ignored like an ignorant prick that doesn't want to listen and only yells "lalalalalalala", there are no files that are downloaded, added, changed, or removed. This code only tells the game files to move around. Game files that, yes you guessed, you already have! Tadaaa. And you can do whatever you want with them in the console commands. Guess what? You can do even more shit with the GOG version because it's DRM-FREE!

This thread went from sad to disgusting to outright pathetic. Do people really have to be that much of tunnel visionaries? I want to understand everybody's concern, but this has gone way out of proportions. From overreacting to outright lies and spreading of bad publicity and hatred because some people didn't get exactly what they wanted. It's no wonder some devs avoid this place.
Post edited July 25, 2015 by HijacK
Posted July 25, 2015
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jsjrodman: Indeed, with any DRM-free game, there is no technical measure that stops that experience from being duplicated for other users.
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HijacK: Not that with DRM is any other way. As I pointed out, and you obviously ignored like an ignorant prick that doesn't want to listen and only yells "lalalalalalala", there are no files that are downloaded, added, changed, or removed. This code only tells the game files to move around. Game files that, yes you guessed, you already have! Tadaaa. And you can do whatever you want with them in the console commands. Guess what? You can do even more shit with the GOG version because it's DRM-FREE!

This thread went from sad to disgusting to outright pathetic. Do people really have to be that much of tunnel visionaries? I want to understand everybody's concern, but this has gone way out of proportions. From overreacting to outright lies and spreading of bad publicity and hatred because some people didn't get exactly what they wanted. It's no wonder some devs avoid this place.
The sky is falling. Grab one of my extra umbrellas and enjoy the show.
Posted July 25, 2015
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micktiegs_8: from Gabriel Dobrev, CEO, Director, and Founder of Haemimontgames:
"Hello Michael,
Thank you for the opportunity to provide an official answer to this question.

Treasure Hunts and Bounties do not unlock new areas. In order to complete them the player must visit a number of areas which she have gained access to while playing the game. They provide new and interesting challenges to players that have already completed the story and unlocked all areas in the game.

Each Treasure Hunt and Bounty has a Treasure Key which you can share with your friends or the community so they can redeem exactly the same item. Sharing is optional and you don't get any in-game benefits from sharing.

We created the GOG special GIFT-OF-GEAR using the same item sharing system that already existed. We did not realise that this will be considered as DRM by some people. The gift is not mandatory, it's a token of appreciation to the GOG community that we created with the tools we already had at our disposal."
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mrkgnao: Thank you.

Seems pretty clear to me:
There are some side quests (called treasure hunts) that one can play only if:
(a) one goes online
OR
(b) someone else goes online and gives one the code

Since I will do neither, were I to play this game I would be missing some side quests, hence as a completionist my single-player campaign would be deficient.

No thank you, Haemimont and GOG.

[P.S. And I'm not even talking about the exclusive ome-time-use bonus here]
The side-quests are only 'run here do a challenge, run there do a challenge, bam you got a gift box'. Gift boxes are given to you every time you level up (if you choose them). The challenges are simple 'destroy these things' or 'do this so many times' etc. The same challenges you have while playing normally throughout the game. All these are, are opportunities for random loot once completed. Once completed you have a code with the gift box that you send to someone else so they can get it too. These are not online exclusive quests.
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micktiegs_8: So just because they gave you the option, you're completely against it? So, if the game released here with all the same features but didn't give announce that we had an appreciation gift, you'd buy the game??
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LiefLayer: I say yes
for me drm-free it's more important than stupid bonus
that logic is just stupid... no better way to say it.
Post edited July 25, 2015 by micktiegs_8
Posted July 25, 2015
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mrkgnao: Thank you.

Seems pretty clear to me:
There are some side quests (called treasure hunts) that one can play only if:
(a) one goes online
OR
(b) someone else goes online and gives one the code

Since I will do neither, were I to play this game I would be missing some side quests, hence as a completionist my single-player campaign would be deficient.

No thank you, Haemimont and GOG.

[P.S. And I'm not even talking about the exclusive ome-time-use bonus here]
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micktiegs_8: The side-quests are only 'run here do a challenge, run there do a challenge, bam you got a gift box'. Gift boxes are given to you every time you level up (if you choose them). The challenges are simple 'destroy these things' or 'do this so many times' etc. The same challenges you have while playing normally throughout the game. All these are, are opportunities for random loot once completed. Once completed you have a code with the gift box that you send to someone else so they can get it too. These are not online exclusive quests.
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LiefLayer: I say yes
for me drm-free it's more important than stupid bonus
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micktiegs_8: that logic is just stupid... no better way to say it.
It would have been easier to just explain what you get online as a sharing code you simply get as different loot offline (since loot is randomized if I understand correctly) without the sharing code. Just for yourself. Offline. Off-the-grid. The way so many people here like it.
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HijacK: Not that with DRM is any other way. As I pointed out, and you obviously ignored like an ignorant prick that doesn't want to listen and only yells "lalalalalalala", there are no files that are downloaded, added, changed, or removed. This code only tells the game files to move around. Game files that, yes you guessed, you already have! Tadaaa. And you can do whatever you want with them in the console commands. Guess what? You can do even more shit with the GOG version because it's DRM-FREE!

This thread went from sad to disgusting to outright pathetic. Do people really have to be that much of tunnel visionaries? I want to understand everybody's concern, but this has gone way out of proportions. From overreacting to outright lies and spreading of bad publicity and hatred because some people didn't get exactly what they wanted. It's no wonder some devs avoid this place.
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CarrionCrow: The sky is falling. Grab one of my extra umbrellas and enjoy the show.
You know what? I'll take you on that offer. I'll just sit back and float and enjoy the show. I mean, if one can laugh at people doing and saying ridiculous things on the internet how is this any different?
Post edited July 25, 2015 by HijacK
Posted July 25, 2015
The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

How about some delicious camembert? Mmm, mmm, good!
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Posted July 25, 2015
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mistermumbles: The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

How about some delicious camembert? Mmm, mmm, good!
Looks delicious. Shall I bring the wine and rum?
Posted July 25, 2015
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groze: ...as we say in Portugal: leva lá a bicicleta (you can take the bike).
Quite a curious expression.
Posted July 25, 2015
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mistermumbles: The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

How about some delicious camembert? Mmm, mmm, good!
Don't think I've ever had that before, so I'll definitely take you up on the offer. =)
Posted July 25, 2015
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HijacK: Shall I bring the wine
It's already been brought, and some are close too drowning! Quick, call the cheese float brigade!
Posted July 25, 2015
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mistermumbles: The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

How about some delicious camembert? Mmm, mmm, good!
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CarrionCrow: Don't think I've ever had that before, so I'll definitely take you up on the offer. =)
Alright. It's a party then!
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HijacK: Shall I bring the wine
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mistermumbles: It's already been brought, and some are close too drowning! Quick, call the cheese float brigade!
Somebody messed with the wine though. Smells a little bit funny. Kinda like kool aid.
Post edited July 25, 2015 by HijacK
Posted July 25, 2015
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HijacK: You know what? I'll take you on that offer. I'll just sit back and float and enjoy the show. I mean, if one can laugh at people doing and saying ridiculous things on the internet how is this any different?
Might as well. This isn't a discussion, it's not constructive, nothing of actual importance is happening, no hearts or minds will be changed.
The only question is, do you want to be one of the people enjoying themselves, or one of those who aren't? =)
Posted July 25, 2015
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Scorpionscythe: Please excuse me from breaking into your back and forth with the other person, but if exclusive content is blocked off from players through online activation, that is drm. GOG prides itself on being drm so to lock out exclusive GOG content through online activation was a really dumb idea even if the base single player experience is drm free.
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groze: I excuse you but I'm not engaging in a discussion with you. I'm tired of all the vitriol that has been filling the GOG forums as of late, and I don't want any part in it.

I was answering a question a person asked concerning the game and how it works. You and others are just shouting and provoking and you don't want answers, you just want *to be right*, you want the game *to have/be DRM*, and nothing we will say or prove will change your opinion, so, as we say in Portugal: leva lá a bicicleta (you can take the bike).
You, sir, deserve a +1 for an amazing explanation and for making me laugh with that Portuguese saying. Cheers!
Posted July 25, 2015
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jsjrodman: Indeed, with any DRM-free game, there is no technical measure that stops that experience from being duplicated for other users.
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HijacK: Not that with DRM is any other way. As I pointed out, and you obviously ignored like an ignorant prick that doesn't want to listen and only yells "lalalalalalala",
On the contrarary, that is precisely what you have just done.
there are no files that are downloaded, added, changed, or removed.
You are not reading carefully. I described one of *many* possible ways that a special feature could be enabled gog users without a server phone-home. This was *not* a description of what occurs.
You can do even more shit with the GOG version because it's DRM-FREE!
Unfortunately rude assertions will not remove the server-side logic that prevents the side quest content from being available.
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