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Posted July 24, 2015
Greetings, Hunters!

<span class="bold">Victor Vran</span>, an action filled next step in aRPG design, is available now for Windows and Mac - complete with GOG Galaxy Achievements, DRM-free, and 10% off for the first week!

In a genre that's seen immense highs and extended lows, it seems that we're always waiting for the secret formula for the perfect action RPG. Some say it's all about an overwhelming amount of loot, upgrades and treats galore. Others choose to experiment with new and innovative ways to connect their players, or to give them new types of control over making their character one of a kind. Victor Vran brings its own answers to the table.

It's a game that places movement and action first, truly putting the "action" in the aRPG, eliminating the boundaries of a traditional class system, and opting for freeform gear-based progression. A combat-oriented approach doesn't mean that Victor Vran is lacking in the other departments either - there's plenty of loot to collect and increasingly awesome weapons to find (including what looks an awful lot like a lightsaber) as well as innovative character progression. All that's there, however, is enhanced by an unprecedented movement system that will have you (and up to 4 of your co-op buddies) leaping, dodging and wallrunning. It's a game where survival is based on so much more than how hard you can hit.



GOG.com Exclusive Bonus
For a little something special, your copy of the game will come with a one-time-use GOG.com-exclusive Treasure Key! Just log in to your GOG.com account, start your single-player game, and redeem it in-game for a fountain of gold and the following drops:

- Med Kit (Legendary) - An endless healing potion.
- Hope Destiny Card (Uncommon) - Provides additional health when equipped. Can be equipped on level 2.
- Diamond Demon Power (Uncommon) - Creates a protective shield. Can be equipped immediately.
- Gift Box - A box that can be opened for random loot.
- Red, Green and Blue dyes - Used to colorize your outfit. Transmutation unlocks at level 16.




Q&A With The Devs
Have questions about the game that only the devs can answer? Join the team behind Victor Vran for a special Q&A session this coming Monday!
Boyan (Lead Designer) and Momchil (Designer) from Haemimont Games will be visiting our forums on Monday (July 27) starting 6pm GMT (8pm CEST / 2pm EST / 11am PST to answer all your questions about the game, the life behind game development, or their favorite type of sandwich. Save the date, stay tuned for the announcement thread, and come hang out with us.


Experience the definition of "a" in aRPG with <span class="bold">Victor Vran</span>, DRM-free on GOG.com! The launch discount will last for one week, until Friday, July 31, at 9:59 AM GMT.
Posted July 25, 2015
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BKGaming: GOG makes it quite clear what DRM free means to them. Which matters more than what it means to you because they advertise DRM free games and as far as I am concerned this game does not break on what they advertise as DRM free. An online check is not the same thing as online authentication. Authentication for a cheat is not an annoyance because it totally optional, but authentication for playing would be.

"DRM-Free Content: DRM-free means no copy protection, no on-line checks or any other annoyances."
Sorry but then we have already the problem as j0ekerr mentioned above: The multiplayer part needs an online check. So we have the discussion already ongoing in the right direction. And just to clarify: It would be part of a question to be asked the developer why there is this kind of multiplayer. Perhabs this has also something to do with the used framework the game is relying on.
Posted July 25, 2015
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HijacK: Isn't that the case with Age of Wonders 3 too though?
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j0ekerr: The whole AoW3 controversy flew right over my head so I have no idea.

But I do think it's a form of DRM since they are in a way, managing and limiting how you access a portion of the game content.

It's also an almost unavoidable form of DRM. Particularly where dedicated servers are concerned. But I don't even think it's all bad, It doesn't stop you from playing the game offline, yet it can get your average CODBro banned, which is always a good thing.
Dedicated servers for MP is a pretty good thing. As long as it is nicely regulated and you give me the option of maybe renting a server just to mess around with my friends I have no problem with it. Honestly, people who expect MP in 2015 with no strings attached need a serious expectation check.

I've seen so many people who want the Total War series to come here to GOG, but I don't think they even fathom how much the MP portion of the games has grown. It is like an outright strategy RPG, and all that information has to be stored on some kind of server just so you could play MP from any PC you want to.
Posted July 25, 2015
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BKGaming: GOG users are selective about what is and isn't DRM... it's like literally however there feeling in the moment. Honestly if I was a dev, I wouldn't want to release here... beyond ridiculous.
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j0ekerr: You need thick skin to survive the internet, mate.
Truthfully I don't care, it doesn't effect me at all, I just find it really silly to not only ruin possibly a good game for a silly thing and possibly ruin it for us getting more games by this dev.
Posted July 25, 2015
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classicgogger: Guys, Skysect already posted it, but some people seem to overlook it or don't care at all:
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/release_victor_vran_92633/post65

Either it's badly worded or you simply won't get these special drops without a) an internet connection and b) an online account.
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mrkgnao: I did indeed miss Skysect's post, thanks.

I understand this to mean that there are some side-quests (e.g. treasure hunts) that you cannot obtain unless you are connected online. Is that how you understand it?
I'm contacting the devs and I'll leave a post on the general forum when I get a straight answer. The basics of my query were; do these hunts unlock areas that are unavailable while playing offline only, do these hunts unlock loot that is unattainable if I were offline only.

I'm tired of people running in circles on the matter, so I'm going to get the information straight from the horse's mouth.
Posted July 25, 2015
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BKGaming: GOG users are selective about what is and isn't DRM... it's like literally however there feeling in the moment. Honestly if I was a dev, I wouldn't want to release here... beyond ridiculous.
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j0ekerr: You need thick skin to survive the internet, mate.
Thick skin? I do not know which thread you read, but people here are having a discussion if an ingame online claiming mechanism for single player purposes is ok in a drm free store.

Nobody got called names, no swear words, no defamation, no personal attacks. Actually the GOG community is a place where such discussions can take place without being derailed by personal attacks or any moderators to ban people.

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Looking at the reviews and what I saw on twitch, this seems like a very good game. And the game itself is not what is being discussed from my point of view..
Post edited July 25, 2015 by MaGo72
Posted July 25, 2015
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throgh: Sorry but then we have already the problem as j0ekerr mentioned above: The multiplayer part needs an online check. So we have the discussion already ongoing in the right direction. And just to clarify: It would be part of a question to be asked the developer why there is this kind of multiplayer. Perhabs this has also something to do with the used framework the game is relying on.
Now you're literally just searching for more reasons to continue this controversy. Read my post above.
Posted July 25, 2015
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BKGaming: GOG makes it quite clear what DRM free means to them. Which matters more than what it means to you because they advertise DRM free games and as far as I am concerned this game does not break on what they advertise as DRM free. An online check is not the same thing as online authentication. Authentication for a cheat is not an annoyance because it totally optional, but authentication for playing would be.

"DRM-Free Content: DRM-free means no copy protection, no on-line checks or any other annoyances."
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throgh: Sorry but then we have already the problem as j0ekerr mentioned above: The multiplayer part needs an online check. So we have the discussion already ongoing in the right direction. And just to clarify: It would be part of a question to be asked the developer why there is this kind of multiplayer. Perhabs this has also something to do with the used framework the game is relying on.
That not an online check... if have you played Sim City or Diablo 3, that is an online check.
Posted July 25, 2015
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micktiegs_8: I'm contacting the devs and I'll leave a post on the general forum when I get a straight answer. The basics of my query were; do these hunts unlock areas that are unavailable while playing offline only, do these hunts unlock loot that is unattainable if I were offline only.

I'm tired of people running in circles on the matter, so I'm going to get the information straight from the horse's mouth.
Thanks. I'd appreciate a heads up when you post.
Posted July 25, 2015
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throgh: Sorry but then we have already the problem as j0ekerr mentioned above: The multiplayer part needs an online check. So we have the discussion already ongoing in the right direction. And just to clarify: It would be part of a question to be asked the developer why there is this kind of multiplayer. Perhabs this has also something to do with the used framework the game is relying on.
About that, what I think is:

The game has dedicated servers for multiplayer.
Server maintenance and bandwidth cost money.
If there isn't any kind of check, users with pirated copies can log in freely.
The company has the servers full of players who didn't buy their game.
Somebody pulls the plug on the servers because they're bleeding money.

Yes it's oversimplified, but it's quite easy to reach that kind of reasoning, and easy to see why too.
Posted July 25, 2015
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throgh: Sorry but then we have already the problem as j0ekerr mentioned above: The multiplayer part needs an online check. So we have the discussion already ongoing in the right direction. And just to clarify: It would be part of a question to be asked the developer why there is this kind of multiplayer. Perhabs this has also something to do with the used framework the game is relying on.
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HijacK: Now you're literally just searching for more reasons to continue this controversy. Read my post above.
No I'm not searching for another reason to continue. Perhabs you've read my last conclusion here?

Seems that at all I could not count me to the target group for this game. Perhabs giving this another look when the linux-version is available. But with the missing LAN-mode it won't be my favorite. The splitscreen sounds like a little bit of fun though but it cannot replace a good LAN-session with friends or family. :-)

And just to note: Yes, I have a problem with centralized structures. As you have note the "multiplayer in 2015" that is not my personal expectation. I don't want to rent servers playing on and refuse strings attached. In fact: ONLINE-multiplayer is functional by that way. But I'm speaking about LAN-modes with no internet-connection.
Posted July 25, 2015
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HijacK: Dedicated servers for MP is a pretty good thing. As long as it is nicely regulated and you give me the option of maybe renting a server just to mess around with my friends I have no problem with it. Honestly, people who expect MP in 2015 with no strings attached need a serious expectation check.

I've seen so many people who want the Total War series to come here to GOG, but I don't think they even fathom how much the MP portion of the games has grown. It is like an outright strategy RPG, and all that information has to be stored on some kind of server just so you could play MP from any PC you want to.
I agree, dedicated server based MP does need some sort of authentication and/or control.

While technicallty DRM, it's not the bad kind of DRM, since it doesn't hamper your offline experience. not does it nag you to keep the disc in the tray or enter a serial key at different points in the game.
Posted July 25, 2015
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BKGaming: GOG makes it quite clear what DRM free means to them. Which matters more than what it means to you because they advertise DRM free games and as far as I am concerned this game does not break on what they advertise as DRM free. An online check is not the same thing as online authentication. Authentication for a cheat is not an annoyance because it totally optional, but authentication for playing would be.

"DRM-Free Content: DRM-free means no copy protection, no on-line checks or any other annoyances."
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throgh: Sorry but then we have already the problem as j0ekerr mentioned above: The multiplayer part needs an online check. So we have the discussion already ongoing in the right direction. And just to clarify: It would be part of a question to be asked the developer why there is this kind of multiplayer. Perhabs this has also something to do with the used framework the game is relying on.
To be more clear an online check is when you either need internet to play (both SP and MP) or you have to "check in" online every so often or you game access will be revoked.

Playing MP is not online check...
Post edited July 25, 2015 by BKGaming
Posted July 25, 2015
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throgh: Sorry but then we have already the problem as j0ekerr mentioned above: The multiplayer part needs an online check. So we have the discussion already ongoing in the right direction. And just to clarify: It would be part of a question to be asked the developer why there is this kind of multiplayer. Perhabs this has also something to do with the used framework the game is relying on.
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BKGaming: That not an online check... if have you played Sim City or Diablo 3, that is an online check.
You need an account to be validated on every login. The games you've mentioned have also a dedicated check in a defined amount of time if the connection to centralized serversystem could be established. But we could argue the rest of the day on that. So we should stop this here or better to say: I'll do for now. I don't want to play the forum-game who is right or who is wrong. Perhabs this question could be part of asking the devs for further answers on that. Let's see! :-)

But a little sidenote: The community itself here on GOG is very grown up regarding this discussion. I have seen other threads on external forums from publishers and developers and this one was / is very neutral on that. No insult, just critics.
Posted July 25, 2015
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HijacK: Now you're literally just searching for more reasons to continue this controversy. Read my post above.
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throgh: No I'm not searching for another reason to continue. Perhabs you've read my last conclusion here?

Seems that at all I could not count me to the target group for this game. Perhabs giving this another look when the linux-version is available. But with the missing LAN-mode it won't be my favorite. The splitscreen sounds like a little bit of fun though but it cannot replace a good LAN-session with friends or family. :-)

And just to note: Yes, I have a problem with centralized structures. As you have note the "multiplayer in 2015" that is not my personal expectation. I don't want to rent servers playing on and refuse strings attached. In fact: ONLINE-multiplayer is functional by that way. But I'm speaking about LAN-modes with no internet-connection.
LAN could be a good addition which I would support, but as far as online multiplayer goes I think people need to understand there needs to be some kind of management. Let's take this "no strings attached" view many of the people on this thread hold and transcend it into daily life. Is an idealistic system of anarchy truly better than a flawed governmental type?
Posted July 25, 2015
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BKGaming: That not an online check... if have you played Sim City or Diablo 3, that is an online check.
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throgh: You need an account to be validated on every login. The games you've mentioned have also a dedicated check in a defined amount of time if the connection to centralized serversystem could be established. But we could argue the rest of the day on that. So we should stop this here or better to say: I'll do for now. I don't want to play the forum-game who is right or who is wrong. Perhabs this question could be part of asking the devs for further answers on that. Let's see! :-)

But a little sidenote: The community itself here on GOG is very grown up regarding this discussion. I have seen other threads on external forums from publishers and developers and this one was / is very neutral on that. No insult, just critics.
Well I'm just giving you the broad definition of an online check in gaming (particularly PC), this has been what an online check is since DRM in relation to the internet became a thing...

So I won't argue with you and just leave you with that...
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