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tfishell: In any case, I don't mind the game being here, but would like to see some games from other political perspectives.

This thread is gonna get locked :P
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BartonFink: Don't hold your breath about COD making it on to GOG, or any other Triple A US military shooter.
It's funny how people will get up in arms about one game satirising or critiquing the right but the ocean of unsatirical right-wing agitprop games goes uncommented on by them.
CoD post-WW2 is a Reaganomics globalist neocon series ;) also at this point I don't think they're much more "right-wing" than most action movies. I guess they have inspired people to join the military and promote the military-industrial complex to some extent.

I want a tower defense game based on Waco or Ruby Ridge where people just wanting to be left alone fight the Feds (I guess that's like Far Cry 5 but you're on the "other team"?). :p Or an fps where you defend your home and community, maybe you have to actually practice gun safety and only shoot when it's legal to otherwise you lose; Or it could be a moral thing rather than legal if the scenario is it's bigger than some rioting and looting, like an invasion by Chyna (being invaded instead of invading).

Or an Alex Jones "Basic Gestalt" game ;)

I'm curious how the ideas in my second paragraph would go over with game journos.
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BanditKeith2: Honestly that seems like the leftist media side of what they believe on Trumps election and presidency.. Granted I ain't saying he was perfect but thats nearly 1 for 1 what leftist media keep saying about Trump ..
Course it could be a cheap smear job. Thus I advice caution, even if I am interested in the premise.
...still, a game that gives off questionable vibes outright ain't as bad as the game that's presented as everything you'd like in such a game, only to deliver hours of disgusting slander and propaganda, like Company of Heroes 2 turned out.
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BanditKeith2: Eh most journalists have a ''right think'' and ''wrong think'' group think thing going on when they aren't independent journalists or independent news outlets as mainstream news outlets are similar to group think

And while the US is not via traditional places of powers dominated by the left.. the newer positions of power are as like the saying goes''control the media you control the future'' and thats what the Left has been doing more and more in entertainment and social media aswell .. So in a way you are correct yet also wrong on the US not controlled by the left as it depends what sort of ''control'' we are talking governmental or media and social media based ..

And any extreme is bad honestly in general and far left and far right are two different sides of the same coin

Still filters aren't bad as this is entertainment and thus a filter to well felter out unwanted entertainment on stuff is not bad .. now actual news articals and such with a filter would indeed be bad though
I don't think that there's "independent" journalism or media but so long as they're not transparently acting as the propaganda arm of a government or party (maybe political parties are the political arm of capitalist media interests instead?). Countires like the UK and China have state funded media but one is more independent than the other. I'd rather get my news from the BBC than the cynical brats at Fox News promoting fake news like voting machine companies operating in the US have engaged in electoral fraud. That's no different to China's state media's disinformation campaings except that it's voluntary on the part of the media.

With filter bubbles for your news, well, it's not like you have a choice. E.g. if you are into 'wellness', Facebook or Google might 'recommend' or 'suggest' 'news' about how Ivermectin is a cure for COVID and that the drug regulators are suppressing this 'fact' because they are in the pockets of big pharma. Once you go down that rabbit hole nothing counts as evidence against what's in your filter bubble or information silo. And the nutters or cynical selling you Invermectin or who get money for views on this rubbish on social media will be thanking you for your money.
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RafaelRamus: I'm fine when the devs are upfront. If they are left leaning and this is just poking Trump supporters, they should blatantly go ahead and say it - I wouldn't buy the game, but I would know it is a game I wouldn't like and move on.

But - I asked and the devs stated they actually tried to stay neutral, so all I'm doing here is gathering information, because the game certainly looks like left leaning.
Is the ocean of neocon games, like fps "poking" the left?
I've had discussions like this on these replies to GOG articles here in the past. shere I've mentioned, e.g. games like America's Army being a military recruitment tool. What about Homefront? Like I said, the ocean of neocon conformity in games like this goes unremarked, unnoticed and there is typically a reaction if a dev goes against this groupthink.

Do devs have to be upfront about making another neocon-friendly recruitment tool for the military or being far right friendly? This neocon fantasy is part of the air that we breathe when it comes to US cultural exports.
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BanditKeith2: Eh most journalists have a ''right think'' and ''wrong think'' group think thing going on when they aren't independent journalists or independent news outlets as mainstream news outlets are similar to group think

And while the US is not via traditional places of powers dominated by the left.. the newer positions of power are as like the saying goes''control the media you control the future'' and thats what the Left has been doing more and more in entertainment and social media aswell .. So in a way you are correct yet also wrong on the US not controlled by the left as it depends what sort of ''control'' we are talking governmental or media and social media based ..

And any extreme is bad honestly in general and far left and far right are two different sides of the same coin

Still filters aren't bad as this is entertainment and thus a filter to well felter out unwanted entertainment on stuff is not bad .. now actual news articals and such with a filter would indeed be bad though
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BartonFink: I don't think that there's "independent" journalism or media but so long as they're not transparently acting as the propaganda arm of a government or party (maybe political parties are the political arm of capitalist media interests instead?). Countires like the UK and China have state funded media but one is more independent than the other. I'd rather get my news from the BBC than the cynical brats at Fox News promoting fake news like voting machine companies operating in the US have engaged in electoral fraud. That's no different to China's state media's disinformation campaings except that it's voluntary on the part of the media.

With filter bubbles for your news, well, it's not like you have a choice. E.g. if you are into 'wellness', Facebook or Google might 'recommend' or 'suggest' 'news' about how Ivermectin is a cure for COVID and that the drug regulators are suppressing this 'fact' because they are in the pockets of big pharma. Once you go down that rabbit hole nothing counts as evidence against what's in your filter bubble or information silo. And the nutters or cynical selling you Invermectin or who get money for views on this rubbish on social media will be thanking you for your money.
Independent journalism was if not still is a thing .. but its gotten rather rare to find done and less and less viable when its not some no body on the internet doing Independent journalist work to be as none biased or as factual as can be at the moment.. As in the past independent journalism was a viable thing far more then it is now for varies factors and it used to not cost as much to get into in someways when its not based on checking other peoples work..

Whatever the case I don't trust any news networks as alll are full of BS of one form or another the only way to get a good deal of the truth from mainstream news outlets is literally watch as many as possible that are from both sides and shift through the different takes of the same topic to get a reasonable grasp with the truth is

But ya difference between Entertainment filters and news filters is Entertainment filters are to ensure escapism is not negatively impacted thus no inherent harm.. where as news and advent filtering is harmful as it sticks people into ''echo chambers'' or basically the'' Rabbit hole affect '' personally this MGS2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C31XYgr8gp0 clip puts most of my views of filters for anything that isn't for Entertainment filtering and most modern day journalism as a whole and how things go
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tfishell: I want a tower defense game based on Waco or Ruby Ridge where people just wanting to be left alone fight the Feds (I guess that's like Far Cry 5 but you're on the "other team"?). :p Or an fps where you defend your home and community, maybe you have to actually practice gun safety and only shoot when it's legal to otherwise you lose; Or it could be a moral thing rather than legal if the scenario is it's bigger than some rioting and looting, like an invasion by Chyna (being invaded instead of invading).
I mentioned in my post of a minute ago games like America's Army and Homefront. They sound like they can fill some of your needs.

They're not games that interest me but I'm not advocating that they shouldn't exist.
That Waco game sounds like a right wing fantasy. On that front, it would go against the US capitalist sanctioned right wing fantasy that acts as a recruiting tool for the military or would appeal to RWNJs who aim just short of wanting to overthrow the US governent in real life.
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BanditKeith2: Honestly that seems like the leftist media side of what they believe on Trumps election and presidency.. Granted I ain't saying he was perfect but thats nearly 1 for 1 what leftist media keep saying about Trump ..
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Chasmancer: Course it could be a cheap smear job. Thus I advice caution, even if I am interested in the premise.
...still, a game that gives off questionable vibes outright ain't as bad as the game that's presented as everything you'd like in such a game, only to deliver hours of disgusting slander and propaganda, like Company of Heroes 2 turned out.
Unsure what '' Company of Heroes'' is like but ya I agree on what you stated otherwise in this reply for sure.. just I can't agree on a game mentioned I can't recall playingnor that I can recall hearing off .. Whatever the case seems we are generally in agreement so far
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BanditKeith2: Whatever the case I don't trust any news networks as alll are full of BS of one form or another the only way to get a good deal of the truth from mainstream news outlets is literally watch as many as possible that are from both sides and shift through the different takes of the same topic to get a reasonable grasp with the truth is
I personally wouldn't go that far, preferring to just stick with one news outlet which I trust (by that I mean it's not practical to immerse yourself in news in general but it's a good idea to do so for specific issues. However, when listening to the news on the radio, I do mix up the stations that I listen to for the hourly bulletins). When my preferred news source gets things wrong, I expect to be informed by them about it and that usually happens. With the network that I consume, on at least one topic I find them to be propagandists but every now and again a different person on the network might make a rare, balanced piece on it.

With the US, I assume that it's basically a choice between (centre politics or centre-right politics) and far right politics news media.

Maybe in Western politics there has been a move to being economically conservative and socially progressive for most countries. In other words, the economic conservative aspect is the default position whatever media you consume but the culture wars occur between parties and news media over the socially progressive aspect.

If that's right, then the groupthink is centred in on what it's permissible to cover in economics and what policies should be broadcast.
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Games based on contemporary politics should just be banned on Gog, no matter which part of the political spectrum they cater to.
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morolf: Games based on contemporary politics should just be banned on Gog, no matter which part of the political spectrum they cater to.
Agreed
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RafaelRamus: I'm fine when the devs are upfront. If they are left leaning and this is just poking Trump supporters, they should blatantly go ahead and say it - I wouldn't buy the game, but I would know it is a game I wouldn't like and move on.

But - I asked and the devs stated they actually tried to stay neutral, so all I'm doing here is gathering information, because the game certainly looks like left leaning.
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BartonFink: Is the ocean of neocon games, like fps "poking" the left?
I've had discussions like this on these replies to GOG articles here in the past. shere I've mentioned, e.g. games like America's Army being a military recruitment tool. What about Homefront? Like I said, the ocean of neocon conformity in games like this goes unremarked, unnoticed and there is typically a reaction if a dev goes against this groupthink.

Do devs have to be upfront about making another neocon-friendly recruitment tool for the military or being far right friendly? This neocon fantasy is part of the air that we breathe when it comes to US cultural exports.
A game being a military recruitment tool makes it right leaning? What? Take a look at wars started or expanded by leftists presidents in the last decades. Are all leftists militarist presidents neocons as well? No matter who is in charge, there is always someone recruiting for the military through movies and games; maybe you haven't noticed, but recently the new adds (and the movies, and the games) for the military have become more "diverse and inclusive" and all...
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BanditKeith2: Whatever the case I don't trust any news networks as alll are full of BS of one form or another the only way to get a good deal of the truth from mainstream news outlets is literally watch as many as possible that are from both sides and shift through the different takes of the same topic to get a reasonable grasp with the truth is
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BartonFink: I personally wouldn't go that far, preferring to just stick with one news outlet which I trust. When they get things wrong, I expect to be informed by them about it and that usually happens. With the network that I consume, on at least on e topic I find them to be propaganda but every now and again a different person on the network might make a rare, balanced piece on it.

With the US, I assume that it's basically a choice between (centre politics or centre-right politics) and far right politics news media.

Maybe in Western politics there has been a move to being economically conservative and socially progressive for most countries. In other words, the economic conservative aspect is the default position whatever media you consume but the culture wars occur between parties and news media over the socially progressive aspect.

If that's right, then the groupthink is centred in on what it's permissible to cover in economics and what policies should be broadcast.
See thats where you make a mistake even if you trust that news outlet its best to check another thats of the oppsite but just as trusted by others view if you aren't willing to view that many sources so as to have a fair enough balanced view of things else you are running a major risk of''' echo chambering '' yourself or ''pigeon holing'' yourself in one view of things

And for the US atleast news outlets have been largely devided by left and right politics and most companies have went the US version of ''Left '' I say thie US version as I hear other counteries version of left and right is simply the reverse of what the US's is .. Unsure if that is true though on if things are flipped .. but if so being safe to address that now in this comment

It also doesn't help many entertainment company staff proudly declare they are US left and extremely progressive and unironically pride themselves as being a ''SJW'' and even say SJW not paraphrasing.. Aswell as proudly saying they are ''woke'' .. So ya when I say the left is in positions of power in the U.S its mainly the corporate and entertainment spectrum of things rather then the far far more classic and traditional positions that exists
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BartonFink: That Waco game sounds like a right wing fantasy. On that front, it would go against the US capitalist sanctioned right wing fantasy that acts as a recruiting tool for the military or would appeal to RWNJs who aim just short of wanting to overthrow the US governent in real life.
My thinking is it'd be in the style of a left-wing fantasy game like Tonight We Riot, neither would be taken as being realistic enough to act as a recruiting tool. (But TWR certainly has greater production value than this would)

Here's a question for anyone, preferably American: Can America stay together as a country with such apparently divergent/radically different viewpoints on how things should "be" here? To me, on the surface/internet arguments, it seems harder and harder, but at the same time, the internet isn't real life and personally, where I live I can easily go outside and go about my business. (though the jumped-up gas prices suck of course) If Trump does get reelected in 2024, I think life will continue pretty much the same, just like it did when Biden got elected in 2020 or Trump in 2016 or Obama, etc. Nothing serious would probably happen unless our comforts got taken away.
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BartonFink: Is the ocean of neocon games, like fps "poking" the left?
I've had discussions like this on these replies to GOG articles here in the past. shere I've mentioned, e.g. games like America's Army being a military recruitment tool. What about Homefront? Like I said, the ocean of neocon conformity in games like this goes unremarked, unnoticed and there is typically a reaction if a dev goes against this groupthink.

Do devs have to be upfront about making another neocon-friendly recruitment tool for the military or being far right friendly? This neocon fantasy is part of the air that we breathe when it comes to US cultural exports.
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RafaelRamus: A game being a military recruitment tool makes it right leaning? What? Take a look at wars started or expanded by leftists presidents in the last decades. Are all leftists militarist presidents neocons as well? No matter who is in charge, there is always someone recruiting for the military through movies and games; maybe you haven't noticed, but recently the new adds (and the movies, and the games) for the military have become more "diverse and inclusive" and all...
This this is true everyone who has any proper level of sense when ruling would recruit for the military no matter what side they are on.. as its either that or forcing people into military service without a choice .. which granted the US had done afew times when big enough wars was going on but that was a exception rather then the standard
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BanditKeith2: See thats where you make a mistake even if you trust that news outlet its best to check another thats of the oppsite but just as trusted by others view if you aren't willing to view that many sources so as to have a fair enough balanced view of things else you are running a major risk of''' echo chambering '' yourself or ''pigeon holing'' yourself in one view of things

And for the US atleast news outlets have been largely devided by left and right politics and most companies have went the US version of ''Left '' I say thie US version as I hear other counteries version of left and right is simply the reverse of what the US's is .. Unsure if that is true though on if things are flipped .. but if so being safe to address that now in this comment

It also doesn't help many entertainment company staff proudly declare they are US left and extremely progressive and unironically pride themselves as being a ''SJW'' and even say SJW not paraphrasing.. Aswell as proudly saying they are ''woke'' .. So ya when I say the left is in positions of power in the U.S its mainly the corporate and entertainment spectrum of things rather then the far far more classic and traditional positions that exists
I planned on editing my previous post to suggest that in general I don't make a point of getting news from lots of different outlets, which isn't to say that you shouldn't for a particularly important matter, where it should be encouraged. Actually, I do mix up my news sources when I listen to the radio, just for something 'different'.

Maybe the US has an illusion of media diversity? After all, it's just capitalist, corporate media, isn't it? How radically different are they going to be?

Let's not forget that the US and world media was duped by the US propaganda that Saddam Hussein had WMD, so it would have been harder finding 'alternative voices' about the issue...or maybe not, if the alternatives to corporate media are easily accessible to you. It's just a lot easier when you stick to the mainstream. The danger there, of course, is that people are led into the nutty world of conspiracy theorists instead and people who profit from talking rubbish.

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BartonFink: That Waco game sounds like a right wing fantasy. On that front, it would go against the US capitalist sanctioned right wing fantasy that acts as a recruiting tool for the military or would appeal to RWNJs who aim just short of wanting to overthrow the US governent in real life.
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tfishell: My thinking is it'd be in the style of a left-wing fantasy game like Tonight We Riot, neither would be taken as being realistic enough to act as a recruiting tool. (But TWR certainly has greater production value than this would)
I tend to associate fantasies where the US government is the enemy to far right groups. I'm not aware that left-wing groups in the US have that same kind of fascination for defending themselves against the state. So a game where you are defending the Waco cult strikes me as being appealing to the far right psychology.
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