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Posted March 10, 2016
Cutting through the galaxy.



<span class="bold">Sword of the Stars: Complete Collection</span>, the comprehensive package of turn-based 4X gameplay, real-time space battles, and intergalactic exploration, is now available, DRM-free on GOG.com with a 50% launch discount.

If you happen to find yourself in a space fight, bringing a sword is hardly going to do you any good. How about a fleet of sword-shaped spaceships, though? Yeah, those might actually provide you with the firepower needed to conquer the treacherous far reaches of the galaxy and establish your own interstellar empire.

Sword of the Stars: Complete Collection is all about carefully building an armada that feels unique, unleashing it upon the unsuspecting galaxy through the magic of faster-than-light travel, and blowing your opponents to smithereens in real-time space combat. Since the inclusion of the three DLCs, there are six playable alien factions in total, each with their own preferred technologies and ships, as well as distinct physiology. Player-designed ships and a huge variety of scenarios promise to keep you engaged for dozens of hours, as you hop between star systems, trading, raiding, colonizing, and laser-blasting your way to intergalactic domination.



Build a spacefaring empire and cut the galaxy any way you like with your <span class="bold">Sword of the Stars: Complete Collection</span>, DRM-free on GOG.com. The 50% launch discount will last until March 15, 4:59 PM GMT.
Posted March 14, 2016
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Grargar: On the other hand, we have The Pit, a game that was released at the same time as it did on Steam. Eventually, 5 DLC packs were released for the game (with more on the way) and are still sold separately, both on Steam and here. And while GOG does sell a Gold bundle that contains the base game and its two DLC packs, they still come in separate installers (3), so Kerberos making a Platinum Edition available for purchase with more DLC packs wouldn't fix the issue at all. GOG could theoretically release a Platinum Edition that comes in a single installer once Kerberos is done with the game, but I can't see a single way for them to do so without pissing off existing customers.
I don't think customers would get mad if GOG were to re-release a bunch of the DLC's as one package. Obviously Kerberos would have to agree to this, but they must already know what a pain it is to need 6+ installers to install the whole game. It just doesn't make any sense. They could still continue to release future DLC's, but having the older ones repackaged would help out a lot of customers.
Post edited March 14, 2016 by IronArcturus
Posted March 14, 2016
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JMich: No, what GOG should do is not repackage them, but allow the DLCs to be installed in any order, and not the very specific one it currently requires.
I still don't like installing multiple DLCs one after another, but I can't really think of a convenient non-client alternative. A custom installer which looks for the DLC files and install them could work in theory, but in practice would need to be updated/redownloaded each time a new DLC was released. I'm also not sure whether GOG would consider it worthwhile to create a custom installer, especially if they can't create a template out of it for use on other DLC-heavy games.
Posted March 14, 2016
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IronArcturus: I don't think customers would get mad if GOG were to re-release a bunch of the DLC's as one package.
And what if customers want a similar bundled package for their non-Platinum Edition and don't want to buy the Platinum Edition just for this reason? Don't you think they'd be angry?
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IronArcturus: Obviously Kerberos would have to agree to this, but they must already know what a pain it is to need 6+ installers to install the whole game. It just doesn't make any sense. They could still continue to release future DLC's, but having the older ones repackaged would help out a lot of customers.
Agree to what? Combine the files? I doubt they would be opposed to that. GOG, however, hasn't found a way to create a single installer out of separate purchases, as is evident by the Gold Edition.
Post edited March 14, 2016 by Grargar
Posted March 14, 2016
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IronArcturus: I don't think customers would get mad if GOG were to re-release a bunch of the DLC's as one package.
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Grargar: And what if customers want a similar bundled package for their non-Platinum Edition and don't want to buy the Platinum Edition just for this reason? Don't you think they'd be angry?
Actually, I would counter that more SotS: The Pit customers are angry because they aren't bundled. Many have complained about this very issue, and 2 years later it's still an issue. I would definitely buy a "Platinum" version of SotS:The Pit if the devs/GOG could finally merge all of the existing DLC into one package.
Post edited March 14, 2016 by IronArcturus
Posted March 14, 2016
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IronArcturus: Actually, I would counter that more SotS: The Pit customers are angry because they aren't bundled. Many have complained about this very issue, and 2 years later it's still an issue. I would definitely buy a "Platinum" version of SotS:The Pit if the devs/GOG could finally merge all of the existing DLC into one package.
You are missing my point. You may want to pay for the Platinum merging treatment. Others would prefer not having to pay for this treatment. Also, the proposed Platinum Edition would be a nice "fuck you" to early adopters.
Posted March 14, 2016
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Grargar: You are missing my point. You may want to pay for the Platinum merging treatment. Others would prefer not having to pay for this treatment. Also, the proposed Platinum Edition would be a nice "fuck you" to early adopters.
I'll have to disagree with you there. In many cases, after waiting X amount of months or sometimes years, companies will release a compilation version of their game with all the expansions included. There are many variations like this on GOG, such as Unreal Gold and FEAR Platinum. Many times these new bundles are discounted compared to just buying each expansion/DLC as they arrived.
Posted March 14, 2016
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IronArcturus: I'll have to disagree with you there. In many cases, after waiting X amount of months or sometimes years, companies will release a compilation version of their game with all the expansions included.
Sure they will. Eventually, the same thing will happen with The Pit. Whether GOG will offer a single installer for all of this, that's a different matter (again, see the treatment for the Gold Edition bundle).
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IronArcturus: There are many variations like this on GOG, such as Unreal Gold and FEAR Platinum. Many times these new bundles are discounted compared to just buying each expansion/DLC as they arrived.
Except that none of those games were released on GOG day 1. They are all old games and GOG could easily offer them as a bundle.
Posted March 14, 2016
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Grargar: You are missing my point. You may want to pay for the Platinum merging treatment. Others would prefer not having to pay for this treatment. Also, the proposed Platinum Edition would be a nice "fuck you" to early adopters.
Nah I don't think so.

Pretty much EVERY game is subject to declining "value" over time (resulting in lower cost over time), and subject to combining "extras" into a bundle of some sort (resulting in collections with names like "Platinum Edition", etc.).

This is "normal" and not a nice "fuck you" to early adopters.

9 years ago I paid over $2100 for a 50" TV. Nowadays they go for well under $1000. That is not a nice "fuck you" to me for buying then. It's normal. As is the same thing when folks 3 years before me paid over $4000 for the same thing I paid $2100 for.

Reduced value over time is pretty much a normal thing with products. As is (in videogames at least; and also movies) bundling collections and selling them for less than the originals cost on release.

Normal stuff.
Posted March 14, 2016
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Martek: Nah I don't think so.
Let's say I have every SotS:TP item currently sold on GOG (missing a few, but just for the sake of the argument), which means I have to deal with 6+ installers. Kerberos then decides to make a new Platinum Edition, which is the content I already have, nothing extra, but instead of 6+ installers it's just one. Said Platinum Edition is not given to me, so I can either keep the 6+ installers or buy the items I already have again, to make installing easier.
This is not a remaster, this is not a different publisher, this is not a re-release, this is a product that people who waited for it get a better version than people who got it earlier.

Yes, this is normal...


Edit: A similar example would be Bethesda's Fallouts on GOG. They do not currently offer any advantage over Interplay's Fallouts, but consider if they came with anything extra (say, Linux versions). Would that be normal or a "fuck you"?
Post edited March 14, 2016 by JMich
Posted March 14, 2016
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Martek: Nah I don't think so.
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JMich: Let's say I have every SotS:TP item currently sold on GOG (missing a few, but just for the sake of the argument), which means I have to deal with 6+ installers. Kerberos then decides to make a new Platinum Edition, which is the content I already have, nothing extra, but instead of 6+ installers it's just one. Said Platinum Edition is not given to me, so I can either keep the 6+ installers or buy the items I already have again, to make installing easier.
This is not a remaster, this is not a different publisher, this is not a re-release, this is a product that people who waited for it get a better version than people who got it earlier.

Yes, this is normal...

Edit: A similar example would be Bethesda's Fallouts on GOG. They do not currently offer any advantage over Interplay's Fallouts, but consider if they came with anything extra (say, Linux versions). Would that be normal or a "fuck you"?
Indeed - you make a compelling argument on that point.

But the same argument can be applied to almost any "was separate SKU's now combined into one". Even though probably most of them don't reduce from 6 to 1 but more likely from maybe 3 to 1.

So, sure, it would be a nice gesture for them to say to owners of all the disparate parts "please take this combo edition at no cost". I'd sure like it.

But I don't consider it to be "abnormal" if they don't. It is normal - has been normal through the years.

Now your compelling argument is that it should not be normal. I might even agree with that - would be nice if it wasn't normal. Would be nice if what you're asking became the "new normal".

But that's a different thing than saying it isn't normal. It is. Maybe that can change..

Long live the New Normal! :)
Post edited March 14, 2016 by Martek
Posted March 14, 2016
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Martek: snip
I'm not talking about price. Someone paying less for a Platinum/Gold/Ultra/Holy Shit Edition than early adopters is something that I have come to both expect and accept. I'm talking about the ability to bundle an installer without paying once again.
Post edited March 14, 2016 by Grargar
Posted March 14, 2016
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IronArcturus: But that is why I wish Kerberos would repackpage the older DLC's as one large installer file.
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JMich: And who would get that installer? Anyone that has at least one of those DLCs? Anyone who has all of those DLCs? No one?
Problem with SotS:TP is a logistical one, you need a way to be able to install an arbitrary number of DLCs, and you need to have the corresponding installers. A game with 1 DLCs would need 3 installers, (base game, base game+DLC, DLC only for those that have already installed the base game and got the DLC later), but a game with 4 DLCs would need about 31 different installer combinations (base game, 15 possible DLC combination, base game plus DLC combo).
No, what GOG should do is not repackage them, but allow the DLCs to be installed in any order, and not the very specific one it currently requires.
Yeah, there's also the issue that, unlike with SotS1' expansions, for The Pit, some of the character DLC's are optional :
There's the Pit with : Marine, Engineer, Scout
Then Mind Games with : Psion, Ranger - requiring the Pit
Then Gold with : Warrior, Seeker, Striker - requiring the Pit and Mind Games

Then the Pilgrim - requiring the Pit, Mind Games and Gold
Then the Juggernaut - which seemingly only requires the Pit and Gold... (which makes sense seeing how the Juggernaut isn't into Psionics!) but then you need Mind Games for Gold anyway...
(BTW, it doesn't look like you can buy The Pit without Mind Games and Gold on Steam anymore, even though you still *can* separately enable/disable them. I wonder what happens if you disable just Mind Games? Would the Juggernaut still work?)
Then the Necromancer - requiring the Pit and Gold
It's likely that it will be the case too with the upcoming Medic... and very possible that we'll get a "Complete Collection" shortly after that as it feels like with the Pit 2 announcement incoming they might not make another character for the Pit 1 after that (for a while at least!)

These last 3 (4?) characters look like they can be installed in any order (they all also bring other content like items and monsters with them).
Posted March 15, 2016
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CJstratGamer08: Space Game Junkie did a play through of Sword of the Stars complete. If you want to see it in action, check it out.

https://www.spacegamejunkie.com/

It handles the Space Combat very well. The lore is interesting, the races all have their own unique adaption for FTL travel, plus the randomly generated tech trees are nice as well.

Must buy!
Heeyyy, that's my site! Thanks for the link!
Posted March 15, 2016
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JudasIscariot: Nothing we can do about it as that's what the game requires to run on Windows as well.
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haydenaurion: Hey Judas, don't mean to bother you, but can you please pass on the version 1.5.5 issue with SotS: The Pit to the higher-ups or whoever is in charge of this kind of thing at gog?
This!

I've already contacted Kerberos and wrote GOG about this. GOG has the patch, according to Kerberos (the developer of SotS: The Pit) but over a year has gone by and GOG has not released the patch.

I don't think GOG customers of this game should be denied it while Steam users, etc. had it back in February of 2015.

So could you please let the higher ups know about this as Hay was saying?
Posted March 17, 2016
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Maxvorstadt: Hm, Wikipedia says, that the turns have a timer, so it`s not really turn based, more a mix of TBS and RTS style. I don`t like it when a game forces me to make my turn within a certain amount of time, I want to look at everything and plan my turns the way I want.
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BlueTemplar: You can set up a timer for turns (between 1 and 9.75 minutes) if the other players slow the game down too much, but you're not forced to use it.
But IMHO, if you can't even agree with the other players to be civil that, you might not want to play a hours-long, multiple-sessions game with them anyway.)

The game is balanced around a combat timer of 4 minutes, but you can set the combat timer from 1 to 10 minutes.
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IronArcturus: I see. So this must be the 2006 version. Is it similar to Homeworld? Or is everything on a 2D plane?
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BlueTemplar: No, it should be the fully patched 2010 version with the 3 expansions and the extra content.

Strategic map is fully 3D, combats are controlled in a 2D plane, but ships can move (or be pushed!) up or down the plane.
(They'll try to go back to the plane if they can, which might be problematic if their engines are destroyed.)
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Faithful: Great game, but years ago I think Kerberos was short sighted. I posted on their forum to consider placing the game on gog and was chided for trying to promote gog on their site (which was not the case, I only wanted the game to do well).

I do not remember Paradox being part of the mix then.

Clearly Kerberos was simply behind the curve and now finally up to speed and placing SotS on gog.
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BlueTemplar: It was when SotS1 publisher was Lighthouse?
GoG.com existed already back then?
Could you please find and link that thread?

Also, there was no announcement of this on Kerberos nor Paradox forums
(the latter don't even have a SotS1 subforum anymore, only a "buried" SotS2 subforum).

But I'm still leaning towards Paradox pushing this as they're the publisher and get all the money (up to some (sky-high?) amount).
I did look up the incident and I stand corrected, it was about copy protection not gog. That was a different post I made there. One when gog was still in beta to consider selling the original SotS on gog. I had them confused in my head, clearly.

Here is a link to the offending post Be aware, I removed what was the offending part so it would not look like I was promoting another game (for the life of me I cannot recall since 2007 when it was posted).

Here is the post I made about gog while in beta (2008).

Thanks for the push to make sure and as such I was in error speaking about Kerberos not wanting to be on gog.

*Also, I had no idea how to trim down the quotes to your direct question to me.
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