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I would prefer a new DLC....called "Stellaris 2"
So, uh.. Why can't i buy this if its released?
Uhm... Lets see if the other DLC´s discounts are more than the usual 50% this time...

NO!


Ok...
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arrua: Uhm... Lets see if the other DLC´s discounts are more than the usual 50% this time...

NO!

Ok...
You should know that Paradox's greed rivals even EA's and Activision's.
So... this is DLC number 47 or something? For this game?

Yuck.
Great, now I'll have to wait a few weeks for all my mods to get updated to work with this update.
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Pangaea666: So... this is DLC number 47 or something? For this game?

Yuck.
Stellaris DLCs (well at least the expansion ones) always had large amounts of new stuff to the game though.
Post edited April 16, 2021 by Crosmando
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Crosmando: Great, now I'll have to wait a few weeks for all my mods to get updated to work with this update.
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Pangaea666: So... this is DLC number 47 or something? For this game?

Yuck.
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Crosmando: Stellaris DLCs (well at the expansion ones) always had large amounts of new stuff to the game though.
haters will be haters, i'm not even sure if it is mildly relevant but, i do enjoy those sorts of people more when they chain themselves together in front of some huge conglomerate
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Crosmando: Great, now I'll have to wait a few weeks for all my mods to get updated to work with this update.

Stellaris DLCs (well at the expansion ones) always had large amounts of new stuff to the game though.
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Zimerius: haters will be haters, i'm not even sure if it is mildly relevant but, i do enjoy those sorts of people more when they chain themselves together in front of some huge conglomerate
It's not the size of the company but greed, arrogance or unethical busines practices that usually upset people the most.
Add level of disappointment that stems from being the former absolute favourite developer and you get some idea where these people are comig from. Including myself.
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Crosmando: Great, now I'll have to wait a few weeks for all my mods to get updated to work with this update.

Stellaris DLCs (well at the expansion ones) always had large amounts of new stuff to the game though.
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Zimerius: haters will be haters, i'm not even sure if it is mildly relevant but, i do enjoy those sorts of people more when they chain themselves together in front of some huge conglomerate
What I don´t enjoy is witnessing people like you two spending more than 200 euros in a game like Stellaris, or more than 300 euros in a game like EU4. It´s people like you two that back these type of prices and awful company practices. The same way many people back microtransactions and other shit, like DRM, with their money, you two back and make posible the DLC frenzy. Even mose so, it is sad to see people like you, zimerius, defending these kind of company practices in a forum, with a language and a tone that resembles the one used in sports conversations. As if you felt proud of belonging to Paradox Team in a very similar way people feel proud of belonging to the tribe of a football team. Really sad.

And don´t get me wrong, I like Paradox games very much. And I have the Stellaris main game, which I bought for 5 euros last Christmas. But I´m not willing to pay a fortune for a game. Whatever the game. I´m not crazy. I´m not the kind of fanboy willing to give his money away as if I was rich or as if I didn´t care to be robed. You are, ok. Paradox millionair owners are very thankful. I and many other players like me, on the other hand, are not.
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arrua: Uhm... Lets see if the other DLC´s discounts are more than the usual 50% this time...

NO!

Ok...
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Krogan32: You should know that Paradox's greed rivals even EA's and Activision's.
I know. I bought the base game for a few euros knowing that I might never buy the huge amount of DLCs. Is ok, the soundtrack alone was worth the purchase.
Post edited April 16, 2021 by arrua
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arrua: What I don´t enjoy is witnessing people like you two spending more than 200 euros in a game like Stellaris
I just went through my order history and I got nearly everything Stellaris and paid significantly less than that (quite a lot less actually, but there was a €/$-change in my order history I had no interest in tracking down in detail).

Even had I paid 200€ that would mean quite a bit less than 1€/hour of overall enjoyable playtime. There are games with better bang per buck (hello Grim Dawn and Factorio), but considering on what kind of crap I see some people spend a lot of money on, still a pretty decent deal. And even though there are such things I do an internal :rolleyes: on, I usually don't berate the people involved.

Maybe you should channel all that anger into something actually productive and try to make the world a better place.
Post edited April 16, 2021 by BitMaster_1980
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arrua: What I don´t enjoy is witnessing people like you two spending more than 200 euros in a game like Stellaris
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BitMaster_1980: I just went through my order history and I got nearly everything Stellaris and paid significantly less than that (quite a lot less actually, but there was a €/$-change in my order history I had no interest in tracking down in detail).

Even had I paid 200€ that would mean quite a bit less than 1€/hour of overall enjoyable playtime. There are games with better bang per buck (hello Grim Dawn and Factorio), but considering on what kind of crap I see some people spend a lot of money on, still a pretty decent deal. And even if though there are such things I do :rolleyes: on, I usually don't berate them.

Maybe you should channel all that anger into something actually productive and try to make the world a better place.
Damn, I really seemed angry? I apologize for that. I wrote fast, and criticizing certain things in a non-too-aggresive way is not always an easy thing to do, I guess.

Still, I mean everything I wrote in my previous message. Back with your money certain business practices and you will be accomplice of those business practices. There are times in which, sadly, you can´t choose. We see it with the clothing business, in which slave labor is involved. Or the food business, in which eco-friendly products are very expensive. But when it comes to entertainment, one always has the chance to choose what to back.

I find that 1euro/hour argument a falacy. The fact that a game has big replaying possibilities, is no excuse for impossing abusive prices or a greedy business model. I miss that videogames era in which a game got one or two expansions with actual content. Like a minicampaign and/or new ways of playing the main game (the Grim Dawn game you mentioned being a good recent example of that). And shortly thereafter, if the game was successful, a sequel was released. Nowadays, a DLC doens´t bring near that much content, cost the same, and the base game is designed to bring the minimum content so that the company has an excuse to realease "new" content for years. How old is Stellaris? How old is EU4? And it is sad, that all this I´m writing is something you already know. Everybody knows. And yet, you happily swallow all this consumer mistreatment.

PD: Regarding that last line you wrote. When I want to safe the world, I rant in the right forums. When I want to safe the game industry, I rant in a videogames forum. It´s only logical, isn´t it? At the end of the day, yelling at the wind is the only option we are allowed to do if we are not happy about the state of the world we live in. And still, we have censorship.
Post edited April 16, 2021 by arrua
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arrua: Still, I mean everything I wrote in my previous message. Back with your money certain business practices and you will be accomplice of those business practices. There are times in which, sadly, you can´t choose. We see it with the clothing business, in which slave labor is involved. Or the food business, in which eco-friendly products are very expensive. But when it comes to entertainment, one always has the chance to choose what to back.
I wear my clothes until they fall apart. What I mostly need is shoes because I walk a lot and I'm not on the light side. Whenever possible, I buy EU-made ones but that requires being willing to pay more.

Food, especially meat, is ridiculously cheap because too many bad practices are allowed. Ecological and socially sustainable food will always be more expensive. We can argue about how much is justified and how to reduce that, but it will be more expensive.

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arrua: I find that 1euro/hour argument a falacy. The fact that a game has big replaying possibilities, is no excuse for impossing abusive prices or a greedy business model. I miss that videogames era in which a game got one or two expansions with actual content. Like a minicampaign and/or new ways of playing the main game (the Grim Dawn game you mentioned being a good recent example of that). And shortly thereafter, if the game was successful, a sequel was released. Nowadays, a DLC doens´t bring near that much content, cost the same, and the base game is designed to bring the minimum content so that the company has an excuse to realease "new" content for years. How old is Stellaris? How old is EU4? And it is sad, that all this I´m writing is something you already know. Everybody knows. And yet, you happily swallow all this consumer mistreatment.
There are plenty of games which are essentially static with maybe an expansion or two. However, those games typically do not invest time and resources in fundamentally changing and evolving core mechanics (even for the expansions). If you do not feel comfortable in other models, do not buy games that follow other models.
I once again want to point out that there are plenty of things people pay money for I completely do not understand why you would pay money for that. I do not spend any time on any forums ranting at them.

Your sequel argument is essentially the fallacy in my view. A good example of that would be the Tropico series. It gets expanded a couple of times and then a sequel comes out. The sequel is (give or take a few details) the baseline of the previous game again. And then you buy the expansions again to get back what you missed from the predecessor.

In my opinion, I'm getting a better deal in the Stellaris model.

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arrua: PD: Regarding that last line you wrote. When I want to safe the world, I rant in the right forums. When I want to safe the game industry, I rant in a videogames forum. It´s only logical, isn´t it? At the end of the day, yelling at the wind is the only option we are allowed to do if we are not happy about the state of the world we live in. And still, we have censorship.
As far as I can see from your posts you do not really have a good understanding of what changes in Stellaris over which timeframes and why people might be willing to accept their business model for that. That is fine, to make sense of that you need a considerable investment into the game (emotionally and time, not financial) as well as the right psychological fit to be sufficiently interested in the subject. They invest quite a bit of time and energy (which cost money) into what is essentially a niche market.
I have been looking in quite a few places to scratch that particular itch and despite some grumblings and occasional missteps Stellaris still proves to be the most reliable one for this. If you do not want to pay for Stellaris, then don't pay for Stellaris. There are plenty of others out there doing something in that general direction, maybe you find the happiness with them I did not find there.
Let me put it here for future generations:
• $3.24 • -75% • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition Upgrade Pack
• $9.99 • -75% • Stellaris
• $12.49 • -75% • Stellaris: Galaxy Edition