Oh no, sorry... I was talking about Baldur's Gate annd Planescape Torment Enhanced Edition, GOG version included the original as a goodie and I think that is a pretty nice touch, still I get "frozen something" (I don't remember his complete name) point, still I prefer to wait for a good discount and purchase the new version with the goodie. In the case of Shadowman, you can swap from one version to another with the press of a key apparently.

No, I'm going to complain, on a GOG message board, that someone threw a fit over missing ancillary functions. I'm thrilled we get DRM-Free games here while we still get them. The writing is on the wall and has been for a while now and I'm dreading the day when it comes that they will say "We can no longer promise all our offerings will be DRM-Free" or "Due to financial reasons, GOG will no longer be selling games. You have a year to back up all your purchased titles before we shut down the download servers for good." One or the other is coming sooner than later. And A year would be a huge boon, it's more likely we'll get a few months.

Good, some optimism! ;-)

That's the reason the detractors often provide here, though, which is something like "achievements are stupid and shouldn't exist for anyone".

Your motiv is at least more refined than other people, but I still disagree with your conclusion.

Standalones aren't slowed down due to the achievs existance, but due to Gog's bad implementation.
The solution isn't removing them, but instead fixing the startup checks.
Also, do you really believe that the modern Gog wouldn't still mainly focus on Galaxy, if achievs didn't exist?

The only thing some goggers are asking is to have good game-feature parity with Steam (I don't mean DRM, mtx & similar, of course).
I wish achievs were completely client-independent, but sadly very few game devs are willing to bother with that.

Well, this might be the reason why Steam wants them but obviously not, why so many users want them as well. Just search through forums both here and on Steam and you will realise how many people actually like them.

No, they want to add features Steam offers and they don't simply to get more customers - nothing else.

It is the first time I even heard about this "problem" (and never noticed it at all) and even your links provide no proof that the reason for the longer startup time for two games are in fact the achievements.

Again, I cannot see any proof i the links provided that achievements are the reason nor do I think it is a widespread problem at all.

There's a team that supports Galaxy and theres a team that has nothing to do with Galaxy. Adding less workload to the Galaxy team does not necessarily mean that GOG would spend more time on the offline installers. Also the offline installers should normally created automatically FROM the files Galxay received and last but not least: GOG is not working on achievements - this is what the devs are doing.

Such pessimism. GOG is not Epic - spending millions on exclusives. Devs decide to list their games here, no one is forcing them. Piracy exists with, or without DRM. GOG's platform is just equated with removing it - big companies wait for the 'new game' surge to subside before taking that step. Listing here then becomes a second (albeit smaller) surge of sales for the company. GOG has found their place in the sales ecosystem - it just requires patience from you, the consumer.

And only a fool can't see the direction GOG is going. They found their niche, and have promptly tried out-growing their niche.

Disco Elysium for one, is the one I'm thinking of most recently, also dying light vs the enhanced edition, divinity 2 the original ego Draconis vs the director's cut and **Darksiders vs the Warmaster edition as well, as there are no original versions either in your library or store that is offered as an offline install.
You're both right for the most part, but for Disco Elysium, **Darksiders, divinity 2 ego Draconis vs director's cut and dying light have no offline installers offered, there may be others as well, but this is just from my own library...

EDIT: **Darksiders does have a legacy edition, though you cannot download it via Galaxy...

By the way, someone might consider creating a "Shadow Man (original)" wish or similar on the wishlist.

https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games

Yeah, I think I'm going to agree with you.

Didn't Steam invent this whole achievement trend anyway? If so, why is GOG trying to duplicate this feature? Chances are, the people who are so enamored with achievements are already so mired in Steam's ecosystem, that they're never going to buy anything here anyway.

And how! lol

+1. I'm rarely bothered when a game I want to buy doesn't have feature parity with Steam because often those features don't interest me (and I only buy at decent discounts anyway).

That't totally different thing when a developer upgrade the gamę to it's final stage. I don't think they want the oryginał to exist.
But for GOG. If it's not a totally different gamę added to library but an update doesn't Galaxy rollback function deals with it? Can you check if Disco Elysium could be rolled back to pre dir cut version?

No, no you cannot do a rollback with DE, unfortunately, much like with NMS you cannot roll back to the founders and Atlus editions...

Yes the publisher usually holds the cards, and it's out of GoG's hands at that point, it still sucks that these games don't offer the original offline installers which in the case of the publishers nixing the originals you really can't predict if they will or not, which is why I originally suggested a backup of the install files.