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Dude, I totally missed you.

Paradise Lost, the unhinged expansion pack for the unsavory cult hit POSTAL 2 is finally available DRM-free on GOG.com.

Post(al)-apocalypse has never been so wack! The Dude ventures back into his former hometown looking for his lost dog but instead finds trouble in all shapes, sizes, and heartbeats. The citizens have gone nuclearly insane, gotten themselves zombified, joined freaky factions (sort of the same thing, really), and pretty much given the Dude plenty of reasons to turn them into radioactive pulp as he free-roams this loco land.
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Lopretni: I'm not a power user or anything but I've bought stuff here over the years. Not anymore. I will not financially support any institution that caves to the mob, it makes life worse for all of us when you embolden these people. It gives them more power to ruin people's lives, attack them, and even engage in revisionism. Speak of the devil...

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PoppyAppletree: Gamergate was a hate and abuse movement, you just missed the memo.[/url]
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Lopretni: No matter how many times you say this it won't be true. Constantly lying and accusing others of being "hateful and abusive" is in itself hateful, but we both know the reason you do that is to try to take that card off the table. Projection is not a good look.

For anyone not in the know about all this I'd recommend googling "gamers are dead" some time. You can see where the real hate and abuse is coming from.
I don't think you really read my post. I didn't accuse you of being hateful and abusive, I stated that Gamergate as a movement was. As part of that movement, the original chanboard trolls duped people who honestly believed the line about games journalism to act as their shields. Go watch the video series I linked, it's very good.
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PoppyAppletree: I don't think you really read my post. I didn't accuse you of being hateful and abusive
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PoppyAppletree: I stated that Gamergate as a movement was
Hmmmm.....

So while we're on the topic, I guess calling your audience "obtuse shitslingers" and accusing them all of misogyny isn't hateful?

Hey, wanna talk about hateful and abusive? https://twitter.com/i/moments/851713200537993216

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PoppyAppletree: As part of that movement, the original chanboard trolls duped people who honestly believed the line about games journalism to act as their shields.
Yikes, and I thought the pizzagate guys were unhinged and disconnected from reality.
Post edited July 19, 2018 by Lopretni
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People were tricked? Well that's a new one, and an interesting movement in the narrative (guess they can't ignore the changes in ethics policies GG brought forever). Also not remotely what happened.

Getting information about people criticizing the press from the press is often a poor idea.
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Lopretni: So I guess calling your audience "obtuse shitslingers" and calling them all sexist isn't hateful?
You forgot basement dwelling neckbeards...the gaming journalism community is just so civil...
Boooooring. You are all so boring with your outrage and outrage about outrage and blah blaaaaah blaaauuuargh...

Here, I'll solve the whole fucking crisis for you:

1. Delete you twitter account. Because seriously, fuck that smelly armpit of the Internet.
2. Buy the game and have fun.
3. Or don't buy it and have fun with something else.
4. Congratulations, you've reached the end of my "how not to be a dipshit" tutorial.
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Breja: Boooooring. You are all so boring with your outrage and outrage about outrage and blah blaaaaah blaaauuuargh...

Here, I'll solve the whole fucking crisis for you:

1. Delete you twitter account. Because seriously, fuck that smelly armpit of the Internet.
2. Buy the game and have fun.
3. Or don't buy it and have fun with something else.
4. Congratulations, you've reached the end of my "how not to be a dipshit" tutorial.
Unfortunately the crawling apology means this is the new normal because they know this nonsense works now. So everything someone doesn't like is going to be culture war BS now.

If only they'd just deleted the tweet. Would of been forgotten in a few days.
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Is it just me, or did GOG just decided to throw RSW under the bus?
After so many nontroversies is difficult to not be a jaded individual, but to me this feels like GOG implicitly associating these devs with whatever crazy stuff the twitter mob was peddling.

Look, I will be honest, I will NOT support a platform that wont stand by its developers, for years you sold an irreverent game that lets you shoot protestors with a cat having a shotgun sticking out of its anus. Paradise Lost lets you napalm Tim Schafer just so you can piss on him, and the gravestone joke is what deserves an apology?
And god knows you have other games with controversial themes in store.

Im not sure what is the best course of action to take, really, I have no idea, but I will not buy from GOG if they are going to pull stunts like this, we are not talking about Minority Killing Simulator 2017, this is Postal 2 we are talking about, its supposed to be irreverent, inmature, nasty satire.
And its a damn cult classic.
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tremere110: I found the tweet funny. I supported Gamergate and I could understand why they would remove it. Controversy bring a level of infamy that a business like GoG doesn't want. Then they went and posted this. Apologizing is one thing but essentially saying that those of us who supported Gamergate were part of a hate and abuse movement - that was a little much. Jumped right out of the frying pan and right into the fire with that.
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PoppyAppletree: Gamergate was a hate and abuse movement, you just missed the memo. Most likely you're one of the true believers who took the "ethics in games journalism" thing at face value. I recommend this video series:

https://youtu.be/6y8XgGhXkTQ
Question - I consider game journalism to be a corrupt, cronyist cesspool of elitist arseholes with bloated egos who believe their opinions are very important and an absolute truth. Back in 2014/15 I stated as such (and called Nathan Grayson an incompetent turd but that's besides the point) in a private group on SNS and was called a gamergate harasser who hates women - this, after accusation was spread, prompted some harassment from people I never knew and resulted in me being expunged from that particular social circle. Note that's all I said back then on the topic. Does that mean I am an abuser and, since certain people made sure to smear that online identity as an evil monster, mean I should be held in contempt by some companies who never interacted with me?
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mike_cesara: Welcome on GOG Rich!
That is ok, apology accepted ; )
I do hope, however, RWS will be more communicative in the future and we'll get Linux ports here rather sooner than later as well as Postal Redux.
One thing, could you please get a dev badge from GOG? Will be much easier for all of us.
take your time, have a peek around, grab some games perhaps? the place isn't as bad as some may think ; )
Oh, I already have a personal GOG account with tons of games on it! It simply uses a very different handle so I decided to make a new one using my RWS Name! :)

And yeah, getting a dev badge would probably be a good idea, but that would mean I'd have to bug my bosses about that, and make it a whole thing! I'm too awkward for that! But if needed, I could do something to prove that I am who I say I am.

In any case, thanks for the kind words! I definitely aim to try and be better about keeping in touch with the GOG sphere of fans, going forward.

EDIT- Oh, looks like my bosses did the developer badge for me, while I was typing this out! So yeah! :D
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PoppyAppletree: Gamergate was a hate and abuse movement, you just missed the memo. Most likely you're one of the true believers who took the "ethics in games journalism" thing at face value. I recommend this video series:
Gamergate is not a movement, it was a non-troversy, a hashtag, like the Doritosgate and 99% of the other whatevergate that happens on the Net, it should have died after maximum a week or two.

Sadly there was a bunch of morons that thought it would be a good idea to throw oil on the fire and that it would give their sites some juicy click-bait articles; it resulted on it surviving for much longer that it should have, grow tremendously and have tons more peoples joining the fray, from peoples genuinely interested in a discussion about game journalism or game censorship to the worse trolls only interested in throwing insults and death threats for fun. Which of course in turn triggered event more vitriolic articles, more strong reaction, more random insults, etc...

And here we are today with some peoples considering a random twitter hashtag (that by definition has no membership, no leader, that anybody can use whenever they want for whatever they want ) as being some crazy evil conspiracy movement responsible of all the wrong in the world from some random shooting to the extinction of the dinosaurs.


Concerning the tweet and the tombstone in Postal in particular, I think that regardless of ones opinion on GG, something was broken at that date between a sizable portion of the gamer community and the gaming press, and that's what this tombstone represent rather than a direct support for the hashtag.
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MarkoH01: So GOG really IS trying to repair their image regarding missing updates. I wonder if this also means that Perception might be fixed soon...

Thank you and forward GOG - you are on a run :)
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dudalb: The problem here was not GOG but RWS...and I do think there a difference between a game update and an expansion.
I agree - an update is different from an expansion. But I noticed that GOG recently is getting a few long awaited updates so I thought that maybe their aproach and focus to get things here (especially long awaited things) might have changed. Maybe they talked to RWS again and maybe they resolved their problems (whatever they were) doing this. I know, there's a lot of "maybe" involved in my theory. Anyway the most important thing is that we have it here now.

Edit: I just read that the devs posted here as well explaining everything. So forget my theories :)
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Rich-RWS: First and foremost - we're all incredibly regretful that it took as long as it did for us to be able to update our games, and include Paradise Lost, on GOG. For whatever it's worth, we never had any intention of leaving our GOG fans in the dust. We had been working on getting Paradise Lost on here ever since it came out, but we kept running into issue after issue that kept stonewalling us from getting it done, to the point where we eventually had to put it aside to work on other more pressing things. Same goes for the base game updates. Our fans and supporters mean a great deal to us, and we would never intentionally do anything to screw them over, unless it was beyond our control.
Glad to hear this. So, as it has been pointed out already here ... how about a nice discount to make up for the long delay? See also this. I want to make clear that I don't demand it - it's just a suggestion :)
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dudalb: The problem here was not GOG but RWS...and I do think there a difference between a game update and an expansion.
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MarkoH01: I agree - an update is different from an expansion. But I noticed that GOG recently is getting a few long awaited updates so I thought that maybe their aproach and focus to get things here (especially long awaited things) might have changed. Maybe they talked to RWS again and maybe they resolved their problems (whatever they were) doing this. I know, there's a lot of "maybe" involved in my theory. Anyway the most important thing is that we have it here now.

Edit: I just read that the devs posted here as well explaining everything. So forget my theories :)
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Rich-RWS: First and foremost - we're all incredibly regretful that it took as long as it did for us to be able to update our games, and include Paradise Lost, on GOG. For whatever it's worth, we never had any intention of leaving our GOG fans in the dust. We had been working on getting Paradise Lost on here ever since it came out, but we kept running into issue after issue that kept stonewalling us from getting it done, to the point where we eventually had to put it aside to work on other more pressing things. Same goes for the base game updates. Our fans and supporters mean a great deal to us, and we would never intentionally do anything to screw them over, unless it was beyond our control.
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MarkoH01: Glad to hear this. So, as it has been pointed out already here ... how about a nice discount to make up for the long delay? See also this. I want to make clear that I don't demand it - it's just a suggestion :)
A big discount would be the only way I'd get it here since, after seeing how GOG version was effectively abandoned for a long time, I bought Postal 2 AND Paradise Lost again, on Steam. At full price AFAIR. :/
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wingboner: A big discount would be the only way I'd get it here since, after seeing how GOG version was effectively abandoned for a long time, I bought Postal 2 AND Paradise Lost again, on Steam. At full price AFAIR. :/
It's called diplomacy ;)
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MarkoH01: Glad to hear this. So, as it has been pointed out already here ... how about a nice discount to make up for the long delay? See also this. I want to make clear that I don't demand it - it's just a suggestion :)
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wingboner: A big discount would be the only way I'd get it here since, after seeing how GOG version was effectively abandoned for a long time, I bought Postal 2 AND Paradise Lost again, on Steam. At full price AFAIR. :/
Yeah, the timing was horribly unfortunate. We honestly didn't realize Paradise Lost was going to be on sale on Steam at the same time. If it had occurred to us, we definitely would have done a launch discount for GOG. That was a screw up on our part.

We'll definitely do discounts for Paradise Lost later on, but doing it so early after a full price launch would be unfair to those who did pick it up at full price. It's not ideal but doing it this way seems like the lesser of two evils.
I'm so sorry.