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The moment we’ve all been waiting for – prepare to don the mantle of Kratos in the critically acclaimed masterpiece, God of War, now available DRM-free! You can get it with a -50% launch discount until March 28th, 11 PM UTC.

This time, the Ghost of Sparta ventures into the realm of Norse mythology, where gods, monsters, and legends collide. Armed with his Leviathan Axe and accompanied by his son Atreus, Kratos embarks on a profoundly personal journey, exploring the tumultuous relationship between father and son amidst the chaos of divine forces. The game’s stunning visuals, immersive storytelling, and visceral combat mechanics promise an unparalleled adventure that will leave an indelible mark on your gaming soul.

Now on GOG!

And don’t forget to tune in on our Twitch channel on Friday, March 15th, at 7 PM UTC, for a God of War staff stream with n_wolf, our Communication Specialist!
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Swedrami: Seems to fly off the digital shelves, as it's shot up by about 120 (of 194) pages on the all-time bestsellers list in the last 24 hours.
Yeah I found it on Page 74, Bestselling All-Time. Closing in on 73.

I suspect most releases just don't sell that many copies so it's fairly easy for a big-name title like this to move up quickly. I am surprised at the relatively low number of reviews, but maybe most people just don't have much to say / add since the game has been on Steam for 6 years already.

But in any case hopefully this'll encourage Sony to give us more, closer to months after rather than years after the Steam releases.
Post edited March 15, 2024 by tfishell
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Swedrami: Seems to fly off the digital shelves, as it's shot up by about 120 (of 194) pages on the all-time bestsellers list in the last 24 hours.
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tfishell: Yeah I found it on Page 74, Bestselling All-Time. Closing in on 73.

I suspect most releases just don't sell that many copies so it's fairly easy for a big-name title like this to move up quickly. I am surprised at the relatively low number of reviews, but maybe most people just don't have much to say / add since the game has been on Steam for 6 years already.

But in any case hopefully this'll encourage Sony to give us more, closer to months after rather than years after the Steam releases.
GoW (2018) has been on Steam since early 2022. 2018 was the console release year. :)
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foad01: You might think that people are happy that God of War has finally arrived, but then you see this thread.

The more you read the posts in this thread the more it is getting inane and insane. What was the thread about? Was there a game release?
How about: seeing BOTH positive AND negative sides? Hmm?
Is it that in YOUR view people can either be OVEJOYED and have ZERO complaints, or be outright HATERS?
Is THAT how you think?
People CANNOT be HAPPY about the release, but CAUTIOUS and give legitimate criticism?

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Atreyu666: Typical GoG forum behaviour. What did you expect? :D
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foad01: I don't know. I've just read that the Epic Game Store is a monopoly and can't stop laughing anymore.
Oh, nono, BY ALL MEANS - ENLIGHTEN us - WHAT IS it when some insert-name company has EXCLUSIVE selling RIGHTS to a product A, for a duration of time, on a given platform ( in this case, PC market ) ?
Is it NOT monopoly ( for the duration of the TIMED EXCLUSIVITY contract AT LEAST ) ? Are all worldwide dictionaries WRONG ?

You claim EGS, signing TIMED-EXCLUSIVITY contracts with publishers - where a game A CANNOT be sold on ANY other PC platform for said duration of time - is "NOT MONOPOLY", and you find this "laughable".
So by all means, I am patiently awaiting your argumentation.
I'm all ears.

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B1tF1ghter: No offence.
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WinterSnowfall: None taken.
;)

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WinterSnowfall: I'm here for the DRM-free offline installers. I'm well aware GOG isn't perfect, but then again no store truly is. One must pick the lesser of evils, or perhaps a bunch of lesser evils if one can tolerate it.
Well GOG isn't perfect, Steam is neither. But GOG is extraordinarily good at 'shadow hypocrisy', and bait and switching.
Steam NEVER promised people "ALL of our games will be 100% DRM-free", GOG DID, then they backed away, WITHOUT plastering this info all over the place, and most people seem to STILL believe that GOG is 100% DRM-free, which it sure isn't.

It's also possible to try to make best use of the situation, and eg buy what's possible on GOG, but STILL buy "DRM free after INSTALLING" games on Steam anyway. So basically doing exact opposite of some eliticist grand-standing hypocritical people here on GOG forums ;)
( I'm not pointing any fingers anywhere, Im sure you have met such individuals on these forums )



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B1tF1ghter: Cyberpunk dystopias have futuristic tech and various other things this worldline so far doesn't possess.
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WinterSnowfall: I am the ignorant one, allegedly, but not the one who thinks holding a computing device in your hand capable of capturing and reproducing video, picture and sound, and as of late also generating it based on text prompts isn't "futuristic". What did you expect, flying cars?
Well you certainly ARE the one to make a pseudo-quote out of thin air. I never said anything about smartphones. Also I am not aware of any smartphone capable of neural networks computations without heating itself to the point of contending to be the next Galaxy Note 7.
Tho I am also not holding my breath for next smartphone releases so I might have overlooked something...

And I disagree that smartphones are futuristic for US, or even for us from 10 years ago.
It would be futuristic in pre-PDA days when the original non-reTOUCHED Star Wars 'a new hope' released.
It certainly isn't a futuristic piece of tech nowadays.
It's all about RELATIVITY my friend.
Relative to NOW, or 10 years ago, smartphones are nothing particularly impressive.

In fact, this technology is downright STAGNANT, and humanity has brazenly slowed down it's technological race in exchange for greedy profits race to corpo dystopian hellscape ( with SOME countries beeing way ahead in said race ). It seems like it's no longer about ingenuity and progress, just about MONEY and nothing else.

We are PERHAPS living in a dystopia, but I PERSONALLY disagree it's a cyberpunk.
Sorry, but, FOR ME at least, the tech we have is just too lame :P :D

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WinterSnowfall: In the middle ages you'd be quickly classified as a sorcerer and burned at the stake when trying to communicate with the locals in Latin by using Google Translate's instant voice translation.
This argument falls immediatelly apart because the voice translation is not done locally offline on the device.
Unless you would pack entire small Google datacenter branch, along with a generous TERABYTES ( at the minimum! ) of training data, onto your Borealis time-machine name-subject-to-change, then would ethernet your way through landscape far enough for the ship to not be immediatelly seen, you simply would get a 'connection error' :D

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WinterSnowfall: And rightly so
I feel like G T would slip the f up and mistranslate my words into something ENTIRELY else, possibly heavily insultive.
I don't know about you, but over the course of last 10 years I have seen it's English-related translations quality get actually noticably WORSE somehow :P

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WinterSnowfall: someone in the 80s would call you at best a dreamer if you explained the concept of an internet-connected smartphone
Who exactly? "Average joe" ? SURE. Scientist? Not really. For them the only imagination flex required would be to imagine a computer in your pocket.
In the 80s they already had precursor to the current global network - university specific IT networks, and ARPANET.

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WinterSnowfall: Have you even seen the original Star Trek series?
Sadly, no :/ Not so far anyway...

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WinterSnowfall: This is today. You are welcome.
Ah yes. The dystopia of RL with all the BAD, with none of the GOOD and COOL. But of course!

I mean... dude... 90s part-satire part-serious 007 scenes had more technological ingenuity and 'fun aspect' to it that today...
Today is just borring and depressingly stale :/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15RZEbeGxTY

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foad01: You might think that people are happy that God of War has finally arrived, but then you see this thread.
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WinterSnowfall: War. War never changes. :P
Well I for certain am not the type to easily give out my privacy and security for some cheap convenience...
So yeah, for ME this war will never change ;)

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Mafwek: ( Bloodborne for PC! )
Imagine playing Souls game without all gankers, hackers and exploiters, it's just not the same experience.
You must be really know nothing about MP cheaters to think ANY PC PLATFORM would be cheater free.
In fact it's PRECISELY the PS4 exclusivity that made Bloodborne MOSTLY devoid of cheaters.
The moment it comes onto PC, REGARDLESS if it's going to be on GOG, it is absolutely going to be a dam breach proportions of flood of those "people", and another Blue Sentinel-like tool will be needed very quickly...
Bloodborne also doesn't have TRADITIONAL multiplayer per se... so...

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B1tF1ghter: On Linux there's innoextract ( for Innosetup based stuff ), there MIGHT be something similar for Windows which would allow you to unpack the installers directly perhaps...
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Mori_Yuki: Thanks! I hadn't thought about that. The installers can also be extracted under Windows
I gotta warn you tho, you'd have to create some Registry entries by hand probably - I say probably because "better designed" games ENSURE those entries exist and they MAKE them if not - POORLY coded games however will commit harakiri if they don't find those in the Registry.
Normally the installer is supposed to make them... depending on how you extract it... well... you get the idea...

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Ancient-Red-Dragon: but yet most GOG customers give these Sony games a "free pass" for being spyware-filled? This makes no sense to me.
Oh you know, it's the usual hypocrisy of "it's the game I love released DRM-free, I don't read EULA nor do I care about telemetry because Windows already does that on me, so since I don't see a problem, it must not be a problem" ;)

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foad01: Yes, GOG should delist all games with achievements because these games collect user data.
Achievements are disclosed on product card. Telemetry isn't ( clearly ENOUGH ). Also for achievements data to be uploaded into cloud, you need to use Galaxy, which is optional. This isn't a comparable example. Try harder mister rage baiter ;)

( this post will be once more in 2 parts, 2nd part incoming in some 10+ minutes unless someone posts anything before that, cue "GOG ancient forum CMS" )

edit:
Im sleep deprived, I confused 'new hope' with 'empire strikes back'. FIXED NOW.
Post edited March 15, 2024 by B1tF1ghter
( PART 2 / 2 )

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WinterSnowfall: Hitman GOTY -> DRM
Sony games -> "spyware"
I don't rly know about the GOG release bc I never bought it, but the Hitman 2016 on Steam - pretty sure it HAS telemetry, there's an "agree or else" screen out there somewhere - I might be misremembering but I think it might even be a "agree to our terms or we forcibly put you into offline where you literally cannot permanently unlock progression within game" or something like that.
I think this might have been identical on GOG ( telemetry included! ) but perhaps it flew under the radar because most ppl don't actually read what they agree to, they just hit "YES" and move on...

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WinterSnowfall: In fact, the GOG website and GOG Galaxy are little telemetry engines of their own. It's literally the "I heard you like telemetry so we included some telemetry in your telemetry" meme, but few people are aware of it.
Generally speaking, FEW people are generally aware of all kinds of shenanigans on GOG... most just don't know, some others are going out of their way to NOT see it, and they openly attack few others who are publicly warning about it...

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Sarang: Hello, I think that many original XBox release could be ported easily because it is a consolized/customized PC, right?
Not quite. It's hardware isn't 100% x86 compat. Just like PS4, which is JARRINGLY close to PC on hardware-wise isn't 100% x86 compat either.
Although none of this matters if given developer WANTS to port their game, they have the source code, so they can get to it, THEY can make it.
It's kinda irrelevant what the og platform was... It's mostly about WILL and MONEY ;)

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Magmarock: 1440p is short for 2560 by 1440
If you want to be completely accurate: it DOES NOT. It ONLY means "1440 rows, progressive", it says NOTHING about 2560 by default. Could as well be 1920 x 1440 ( existing resolution ). It would be better to just say QHD / WQHD.
And 2560 is closer to 3k by MATH, while 1920 is very close to 2k. Most professional sources call 1920 a 2k, 2560 is more like 2.5 k if anything. Hence why most ppl tend to just call it 1440p.

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Magmarock: reason it's called 2k is because of the 2560 that's over two thousands lines across.
And you... see the reason to tell this to ME ??
Also, so is 2048x1152...
Most people I encounter call 1440p just that, 1440p. The whole "k" thing is arbitrary and very loosely used online.

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MysterD: 1440p (2560 x 1440) is often referred to as 2K, even if it's technically really 2.5K.
often referred to =/= obvious to everyone
Where I get around, 1920 is usually referred to as 2k ( if even using the k ). It's always best to just outright call the actual resolution and not some "hopefully to be understood" abbrevations to preemptively avoid any confusion ;)

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Reaper9988: Wouldn't it be nice if we had binding Standards.
Did someone say GIGABYTE ? /s

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Atreyu666: It's not easy to find real happiness amongst gamers here. It's more like hating and fighting
Being critical of a PART of a product someone doesn't like ( the part, not the whole product ), but YOU don't mind, is not "hating", it's constructive criticism. And believe me, you don't want to live in a dystopia in which you cannot even criticise a product freely.

I have read almost all comments in this thread and I haven't really seen fighting. What are you projecting?

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MarkoH01: You have a COMMUNICATION SPECIALIST and yet you fail to communicate with your community? Okay, that was a shocking revelation for me.
Marko you must be sarcastic ( btw, hello again :P Been a while ).
You have been here long enough to know 99% of GOG news threads are abandoned from minute 0.
;)

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P-E-S: I just want to have some fun and escapism in whatever form pleases me.
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idbeholdME: That is what most people want.
Yeah dude. The games should be FIRST AND FORMEMOST fun. The moment someone pushes this out of a way, and makes it their PRIORITY to push an AGENDA ( of ANY kind ), is the moment the game is on a speedrun to being perceived as GARBAGE by at least some sensible people in this world.
For a game developer, it's their PRIMARY JOB to make people HAPPY. It should never matter to them WHO plays their game. The only thing that should matter is making people HAPPY, making people ENJOY it. Not arbitrarily " equating things by NUMBERS " :S

It's also quite literally a financial SELF SABOTAGE to go out of your way, ignore your core customer userbase, ignore what you KNOW they like and enjoy, and to EXPLICITLY go AGAINST it.
It's like - noone sane who knows about business or has any "degrees" ( to call out a certain GDC talk related to this whole thing... cough cough... ) would SABOTAGE a company they are working for like that...

A game should be first and foremost FUN, ENJOYABLE. It should matter NEITHER who you play AS and who you ARE rl.
And most sincerely the latter should matter NONE to the developer making said game.
Games with good story and well written characters sell themselves.

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ᛞᚨᚱᚹᛟᚾᛞ: the insufferable person who has made it their mission to
prove that the world revolves around them, everything has to be how THEY like. They cannot possibly enjoy a game unless it has precisely their ideal representation of everything. The game doesn't have to be good, and it wouldn't be enough if it would be, if it doesn't 100% echochamber their personal hidden desires. Yes, such people exist.
There are existing words for that too, one has to do with winter ;)

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ReynardFox: Yeah this baffles me, if 3840x2160 is "4k", then the only "2k" is 1920x1080. The way people keep labelling 1440p as 2k is really annoying and misleading.
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Magmarock: lol it's the 4k that's misleading. 3840x2160 is really 3K
Hey let's round up 720p to "0 k", surely it's "closer" /s

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ReynardFox: On the plus side, all the old GOW games REDACTED beautifully with shall-not-be-named.
I think you should choose your words carefully before a moody 'moderator' ( I know! The urban legend! ) with a blindfold and a mission to swing a banhammer shows up, trying to liberally apply rules, "totally not biased" for a paycheck based on "performance" ;)

Kotaku is a combination of a "professional shitpost" and "unintentional satire".
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foad01: I don't know. I've just read that the Epic Game Store is a monopoly and can't stop laughing anymore.
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B1tF1ghter: Oh, nono, BY ALL MEANS - ENLIGHTEN us - WHAT IS it when some insert-name company has EXCLUSIVE selling RIGHTS to a product A, for a duration of time, on a given platform ( in this case, PC market ) ?
Is it NOT monopoly ( for the duration of the TIMED EXCLUSIVITY contract AT LEAST ) ? Are all worldwide dictionaries WRONG ?

You claim EGS, signing TIMED-EXCLUSIVITY contracts with publishers - where a game A CANNOT be sold on ANY other PC platform for said duration of time - is "NOT MONOPOLY", and you find this "laughable".
So by all means, I am patiently awaiting your argumentation.
I'm all ears.
So in that case is every publisher a monopolist? Becouse in most cases only one company can sell and profit on particular product eg. game series. Isn't monopol when you are the only one that can sell a produkt TYPE? A country with only one internet provider, one car dealer, one oil company. I don't see that Epic forbiddens to sell digital games outside it's store...
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B1tF1ghter: ( ... )
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NewPyk: So in that case is every publisher a monopolist?
Yes and no.
First of all, EGS is a STORE, a PLATFORM, not a publisher. "Epic Games STORE". There's also "Epic Games" which afaik is not only development studio but also a publisher. But alas.
EGS is a platform.

Reg publisher. No, because while they aren't making the actual product, they are often financing it's development - they are KIND OF a "first party" - publishing contracts in gamedev world tend to focus on 1.Getting EARLY DEVELOPMENT financing 2.Promotion/marketing. This is what publisher gives TO the developer. In exchange the developer gives them exclusive rights to, well, publish their game, plus possibly some other lucrative things, usually "a cut for the publisher".

So in a way, "no, but actually yes" ;)

Also, in many cases the gamedev studio belongs to the same umbrella company as the publisher company, so you can freely imagine that many contracts are prearranged even before a "pitch idea" script for a game is written at all.
Many "large of the industry" operate that way, they throw money away at their own subsidiaries, thus giving them ( developers ) little to no choices reg the contracts and the exclusivity thereof.
Eg, studio such as Respawn cannot just easily go independent, since it CURRENTLY belongs to EA, and EA, as it's primary "money source" can DICTATE and FORCE many gamedev related decisions ( eg MONETIZATION SCHEMES, these are almost NEVER the choice of the developer, just usually some higher up or CEO of the publishing company, so eg people getting mad at "bad battlepass" should have the gripe with the PUBLISHER, not the developer ).

There are many games which have a different publisher depending on the part of the world - so in a way, given publisher has monopoly for given game for given part of a world ( in some cases: the WHOLE world ) - thus can for example artificially price gauge it's designated market.

It's also important to note here that publishers often have a certain level of autonomy, and they can sort of "override the will of the developer" - example being '505 games' ( publisher ) making a literal "LAST MINUTE" announcement, during last stages of preorders, that Metro Exodus would become 1 year EGS exclusive, which it did, getting extremely bad PR - and this was not met well from the developer itself ( 4a games ).
There are many people online who EQUATE publisher and developer, but they are separate entities, often connected, but still separate.
Developer should not be bashed for the choices of it's publisher, and vice versa.
But ofc Im not expecting average internet dwellers to recognise that. Sadly, the internet is full of uninformed people :/

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NewPyk: Isn't monopol when you are the only one that can sell a produkt TYPE?
NO.
Monopoly can be for anyting. If only one PC platform has some game, and if said platform signs contracts with publishers forbidding said publishers from selling ANYWHERE else, then THAT IS MONOPOLY.
And this IS what EGS did and afaik still does - games are FORCIBLY available ONLY on EGS for example for first full year of their sales.
This IS monopoly, regardless of how some people are trying to NOT SEE THAT.

Note here - Steam / Valve does NOT force people into such contracts. If a game is only available on Steam then it generally means it's publisher / developer decided not to release elsewhere, NOT that they were "forced".
Meanwhile EGS de facto signs timed forced exclusivity contracts. It's well known fact.

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NewPyk: A country with only one internet provider, one car dealer, one oil company.
It doesn't have to be whole country. Eg a region is enough - eg there's only one ISP serving some region, with no other one available there - they can then artificially price gouge their customers, taking advantage of the fact that they have NO CHOICE ( because again, that's the ONLY ISP in the region ), so "they will HAVE TO pay whatever price we quote them, else they don't get the service at all".

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NewPyk: I don't see that Epic forbiddens to sell digital games outside it's store...
Well then you don't know much about what happened and is still happening and you should educate yourself on the subject ;)
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B1tF1ghter: [...]

So in a way, "no, but actually yes" ;)
[...]
Ok, I can agree to most of it but still by your definition almost every maker of goods is a monopoly (only one company can produce Coca-Cola etc.) even GOG. They have "only on GOG" selection of games and I think it in the contract with producer / publisher. Monopol! It's... quite riddicules. I think you have personal issuses with Epic and tries to find any argument agains it. Everything will do cuz you know even with monopol thinks aren't that easy and sometimes monopoly can be a good thing *gasp*.
A -70% or -75% should bring the price to a fair offer, in all honesty.
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NotMyGOG: A -70% or -75% should bring the price to a fair offer, in all honesty.
In 2 years it will probably hit that
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Mafwek: ( Bloodborne for PC! )
Imagine playing Souls game without all gankers, hackers and exploiters, it's just not the same experience.
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B1tF1ghter: You must be really know nothing about MP cheaters to think ANY PC PLATFORM would be cheater free.
In fact it's PRECISELY the PS4 exclusivity that made Bloodborne MOSTLY devoid of cheaters.
The moment it comes onto PC, REGARDLESS if it's going to be on GOG, it is absolutely going to be a dam breach proportions of flood of those "people", and another Blue Sentinel-like tool will be needed very quickly...
Bloodborne also doesn't have TRADITIONAL multiplayer per se... so...
It is true that I know a little of MP cheaters, but I know that hypothetical GOG version of Bloodborne would (almost) definitively be cheater free because GOG version would (almost certainly) lack multiplayer. No multiplayer, no multiplayer cheaters.
Post edited March 15, 2024 by Mafwek
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Hirako__: In 2 years it will probably hit that
I truly believe it will, by the end of this year.
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MarkoH01: You have a COMMUNICATION SPECIALIST and yet you fail to communicate with your community? Okay, that was a shocking revelation for me.
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B1tF1ghter: Marko you must be sarcastic ( btw, hello again :P Been a while ).
You have been here long enough to know 99% of GOG news threads are abandoned from minute 0.
;)
Of course I was sarcastic. I simply found it funny that they have a person they call "specialist" when "communication" imo is one of the things GOG is actually terrible with and which is also the thing they actually COULD change if they really would want to do so.

Hello to you too. :)
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Jalister: I'll buy it here, even if it lacks the multiplayer (with a discount). However, I actually liked the multiplayer part of this game a lot.
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Syphon72: What MP are you talking about??
https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/ghost-of-tsushima/legends/
Boy...

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B1tF1ghter: Oh, nono, BY ALL MEANS - ENLIGHTEN us - WHAT IS it when some insert-name company has EXCLUSIVE selling RIGHTS to a product A, for a duration of time, on a given platform ( in this case, PC market ) ?
Is it NOT monopoly ( for the duration of the TIMED EXCLUSIVITY contract AT LEAST ) ? Are all worldwide dictionaries WRONG ?

You claim EGS, signing TIMED-EXCLUSIVITY contracts with publishers - where a game A CANNOT be sold on ANY other PC platform for said duration of time - is "NOT MONOPOLY", and you find this "laughable".
So by all means, I am patiently awaiting your argumentation.
I'm all ears.
These semantics discussions are usually pointless and are the reason why many threads here are derailed. It is also completely off-topic and has nothing really to do with God of War.

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foad01: Yes, GOG should delist all games with achievements because these games collect user data.
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B1tF1ghter: Achievements are disclosed on product card. Telemetry isn't ( clearly ENOUGH ). Also for achievements data to be uploaded into cloud, you need to use Galaxy, which is optional. This isn't a comparable example. Try harder mister rage baiter ;)
Joke
<----
Your head
Post edited March 15, 2024 by foad01
i DID say that i wasn't going to comment further on the sbi situation - largely because there's a lot of weird, very bad faith/circular arguments going on around it, but!

a question occurred to me and i figure i may as well ask it:

a poster here pointed at a kotaku article that specifically dealt with the sbi situation as it stood. other folks were like, OH NO KOTAKU.

my question is aimed at those folks.

given that nature of video game journalism [which isn't /really/ traditional journalism to begin with], how do you propose someone gets to the bottom of any situation like this?

if it is impossible to just straight-up trust reporting from kotaku, who are you meant to trust?

youtubers? you can't trust them. they have a profit incentive. [and besides, youtubers aren't what i would call "journalists" - they're several steps removed from real, serious journalistic practice which involves having [real] sources and citing verifiable facts. this isn't even getting into having a background in actual, honest-to-god journalism or the fact that MOST youtube videos are clickbait, at best.]

blogs? can't trust them. again. profit motive. plus, if they're a /big enough/ blog, then they likely have some sort of agreement with the larger publishers and are under various nda's and embargoes.

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my point is: given the landscape of video game journalism, i would rather trust good-faith writing about the subject than bad-faith demagoguery that exists only to make people angry.

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while i'm here and you're reading this, do feel free to suggest blogs or the like that you think are credible and that have good, verifiable information about topics as they pertain to video games.

i lost the couple of good sites that i really appreciated that did good work in this area and would very much appreciate it if i could find a decent site that i could visit every day and read that wasn't /just/ "here'a a review for current game x."

there's too much of that already.