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Posted June 26, 2018
How to restrain your dragon.

Drakkhen is now available DRM-free, on GOG.com.
On a faraway island, the dragon lords stir from their slumber. If their foretold rise to power comes to pass, the age of man will come to an end, eclipsed by the winged reptiles of old. At the emperor's behest, four heroes set forth to cancel the apocalypse, traveling through 3D vector landscapes, solving devious puzzles, and fighting terrible, pixelated enemies in real-time. Prepare yourselves, heroes, for this ancient enemy is far from toothless.
Posted June 27, 2018
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Lucian_Galca: Wow, really gog? Scuuuuuuumy.
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gamesfreak64: ???? not regional price? price increase ? geg or ceg component ?
I read all kinds of weird replies... i googled but ceg or ceg only showed companies or other, nothing showed anything regarding games....

Thats why i logged in cause its al very confusing.......

Does this mean that the 1 $ is not 1 Eu will be gone soon ?
A while i ago i wrote that steam treats $ and Euros as being equal: 19.99 euros or 19.99 usd which is not true cause usd = around 85 euro cents meaning 19.88 eu pays more then the US dollar does.... which is unfair for Steam to do.

Anyway regarding any form of DRM: DRM is bad extremely bad.... we dont need more DRM cause the entire internet is full with DRM already .... as for clients i hate clients to run install things thats why i buy steam games very cheap ( big sales only) if i dont know if a steam game can run without the client ( steam client got worse after its many updates it was bad but its getting even worse 2 to 3 updates a day maybe even more which is absolutely disgusting
thats why i start the client manually when i need to buy some cheap games no autorunning that awfull piece of junk 24/7 on my pc)

Thats why i always told that GOG is the best..... cause nothing is forced......
so i hope that those weird posts here aren't for real.
Steam CEG is part of steamworks and is their own proprietary DRM module. A developer can incorporate that module if they want - I.e. It's optional - and they can include other third party ones as well if they want.
Not an expert on it by any means, but there are lists of games without any of these components, and all dosbox games I believe are as well. And you can download them via steam command line rather than using the client.
As for the other bits, well, just read the responses to release of profiles and such like in recent times. The user base wants clients and steam features, drm is irrelevant to them, online only is perfectly acceptable, it was designed that way etc. Hence gog are positioning themselves as a steamlike and trying to attract their customers - for the benefit of everyone apparently. Hence my response is, if they want to be steam, then I want to see steam prices, steam sales, like the humble farcry set recently, all games including 5 very cheap. Or the doom/wolfenstein bundle from last year which was amazing value. And by steam I mean all the little leech like key sellers as well, it's all putting money and customers in steam hands at the end of the day. So gog put their stall out that way losing their unique selling point, fine, but expect to be compared to their idol. Gone are the days of paying way over the odds just for a game I probably already own or one I can get patches for, now it's a simple price versus price and sale versus sale over exactly the same stores. As this one has highlighted gog is way more expensive, and you can't shop around to find a better deal for here.
There last I will say on the matter, not paying £4.29 for a game that costs 0.20cents elsewhere.
Posted June 27, 2018
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gamesfreak64: ???? not regional price? price increase ? geg or ceg component ?
I read all kinds of weird replies... i googled but ceg or ceg only showed companies or other, nothing showed anything regarding games....

Thats why i logged in cause its al very confusing.......

Does this mean that the 1 $ is not 1 Eu will be gone soon ?
A while i ago i wrote that steam treats $ and Euros as being equal: 19.99 euros or 19.99 usd which is not true cause usd = around 85 euro cents meaning 19.88 eu pays more then the US dollar does.... which is unfair for Steam to do.

Anyway regarding any form of DRM: DRM is bad extremely bad.... we dont need more DRM cause the entire internet is full with DRM already .... as for clients i hate clients to run install things thats why i buy steam games very cheap ( big sales only) if i dont know if a steam game can run without the client ( steam client got worse after its many updates it was bad but its getting even worse 2 to 3 updates a day maybe even more which is absolutely disgusting
thats why i start the client manually when i need to buy some cheap games no autorunning that awfull piece of junk 24/7 on my pc)

Thats why i always told that GOG is the best..... cause nothing is forced......
so i hope that those weird posts here aren't for real.
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nightcraw1er.488: Steam CEG is part of steamworks and is their own proprietary DRM module. A developer can incorporate that module if they want - I.e. It's optional - and they can include other third party ones as well if they want.
Not an expert on it by any means, but there are lists of games without any of these components, and all dosbox games I believe are as well. And you can download them via steam command line rather than using the client.
As for the other bits, well, just read the responses to release of profiles and such like in recent times. The user base wants clients and steam features, drm is irrelevant to them, online only is perfectly acceptable, it was designed that way etc. Hence gog are positioning themselves as a steamlike and trying to attract their customers - for the benefit of everyone apparently. Hence my response is, if they want to be steam, then I want to see steam prices, steam sales, like the humble farcry set recently, all games including 5 very cheap. Or the doom/wolfenstein bundle from last year which was amazing value. And by steam I mean all the little leech like key sellers as well, it's all putting money and customers in steam hands at the end of the day. So gog put their stall out that way losing their unique selling point, fine, but expect to be compared to their idol. Gone are the days of paying way over the odds just for a game I probably already own or one I can get patches for, now it's a simple price versus price and sale versus sale over exactly the same stores. As this one has highlighted gog is way more expensive, and you can't shop around to find a better deal for here.
There last I will say on the matter, not paying £4.29 for a game that costs 0.20cents elsewhere.
Thanks for the reply and explanation.
Now i remember again: i read a lot about this ceg in the past, but it is /was soo much she ites my memory locked it up and hid it somewhere it would not be able to cause any harm.

Steam is a pile of ...... fill in whatever you want we all know that, the only reason i joined was because i read about the existence of the evil steam in the GOG forums they also talked about GG (= gamersGate) thats why i learned they existed.

I always said that GOG was the only one i felt my games would be safe and they would still be there the next time i logged in because steam is........ well its evil , every time i login to buy a new casual game i wonder: will all games still be there? i mean if the client f...s up BOOM the game might not show up, they might even be 'gone' cause i don't trust clients so i always told everyone GOG = the safe place to be
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Same goes for GG: everytime i login : i wander: oh god will my games be there? are they still downloadable cause boy they mess up a lot, game versions that say they wont work while they do on win 7 but some part of the database/website messed up and would download bad versions etc etc etc...its bad for the health and the old ticker.

Anyway if you need some old fashioned adrenaline to pump regulary: join GG and Steam :D
both are not good for the health as a gamer.

GOG was the safehouse, the shelter, the bunker that would withstand anything and anyone i felt comfortable..... but since that profile stuff ( it was 'reversed/adapted in a away) the rest and feeling at ease and comfy disappeared, thats why i logged in after seeing some parts of new posts here....

To end this reply i want to add that when GOG started to add almost any/every type of game here i got worried, that in an attempt to race the evil Steam they might add almost everything to increase the good old collections....and they did... many of which i felt they were more like 'Steam" games or even GamersGate games ( GG in short)

I also felt that something was growing... some uneasyness slowly crept in democracy seemed to be slowing changing and fading....which left a very uncomfortable feeling as if you have to stand up every time to defend your democracy and the freedom to start a healthy discussion without the fear of being silenced....

I feel quite sad ,......

As for prices you talked about: i agree.... if the entire world wants to steam its way... okay but then we need prices at 10 cents at a summer/winter sale cause you cant have your cake and eat it.
Its either all steam including the 90% discount leaving games to sell at 10 cents :D ( yiha)
or continue the same way they always did: steady as she goes now and then some new games but mainly GOG games , the old games we joined for in the first place the old games is what made GOG known, not the new ones.
Post edited June 27, 2018 by gamesfreak64
Posted June 27, 2018
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nightcraw1er.488: Steam CEG is part of steamworks and is their own proprietary DRM module. A developer can incorporate that module if they want - I.e. It's optional - and they can include other third party ones as well if they want.
Not an expert on it by any means, but there are lists of games without any of these components, and all dosbox games I believe are as well. And you can download them via steam command line rather than using the client.
As for the other bits, well, just read the responses to release of profiles and such like in recent times. The user base wants clients and steam features, drm is irrelevant to them, online only is perfectly acceptable, it was designed that way etc. Hence gog are positioning themselves as a steamlike and trying to attract their customers - for the benefit of everyone apparently. Hence my response is, if they want to be steam, then I want to see steam prices, steam sales, like the humble farcry set recently, all games including 5 very cheap. Or the doom/wolfenstein bundle from last year which was amazing value. And by steam I mean all the little leech like key sellers as well, it's all putting money and customers in steam hands at the end of the day. So gog put their stall out that way losing their unique selling point, fine, but expect to be compared to their idol. Gone are the days of paying way over the odds just for a game I probably already own or one I can get patches for, now it's a simple price versus price and sale versus sale over exactly the same stores. As this one has highlighted gog is way more expensive, and you can't shop around to find a better deal for here.
There last I will say on the matter, not paying £4.29 for a game that costs 0.20cents elsewhere.
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gamesfreak64: Thanks for the reply and explanation.
Now i remember again: i read a lot about this ceg in the past, but it is /was soo much she ites my memory locked it up and hid it somewhere it would not be able to cause any harm.

Steam is a pile of ...... fill in whatever you want we all know that, the only reason i joined was because i read about the existence of the evil steam in the GOG forums they also talked about GG (= gamersGate) thats why i learned they existed.

I always said that GOG was the only one i felt my games would be safe and they would still be there the next time i logged in because steam is........ well its evil , every time i login to buy a new casual game i wonder: will all games still be there? i mean if the client f...s up BOOM the game might not show up, they might even be 'gone' cause i don't trust clients so i always told everyone GOG = the safe place to be
.
Same goes for GG: everytime i login : i wander: oh god will my games be there? are they still downloadable cause boy they mess up a lot, game versions that say they wont work while they do on win 7 but some part of the database/website messed up and would download bad versions etc etc etc...its bad for the health and the old ticker.

Anyway if you need some old fashioned adrenaline to pump regulary: join GG and Steam :D
both are not good for the health as a gamer.

GOG was the safehouse, the shelter, the bunker that would withstand anything and anyone i felt comfortable..... but since that profile stuff ( it was 'reversed/adapted in a away) the rest and feeling at ease and comfy disappeared, thats why i logged in after seeing some parts of new posts here....

To end this reply i want to add that when GOG started to add almost any/every type of game here i got worried, that in an attempt to race the evil Steam they might add almost everything to increase the good old collections....and they did... many of which i felt they were more like 'Steam" games or even GamersGate games ( GG in short)

I also felt that something was growing... some uneasyness slowly crept in democracy seemed to be slowing changing and fading....which left a very uncomfortable feeling as if you have to stand up every time to defend your democracy and the freedom to start a healthy discussion without the fear of being silenced....

I feel quite sad ,......
Don't be sad mate, I just been playing doom 2016 and it is way better than doom 3/bfg, and GTA 5 was leagues better than GTA 4 so there is hope :o)
Posted June 27, 2018
Thumbs up for this release! Thanks, GOG.
Posted June 27, 2018
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gamesfreak64: Thanks for the reply and explanation.
Now i remember again: i read a lot about this ceg in the past, but it is /was soo much she ites my memory locked it up and hid it somewhere it would not be able to cause any harm.

Steam is a pile of ...... fill in whatever you want we all know that, the only reason i joined was because i read about the existence of the evil steam in the GOG forums they also talked about GG (= gamersGate) thats why i learned they existed.

I always said that GOG was the only one i felt my games would be safe and they would still be there the next time i logged in because steam is........ well its evil , every time i login to buy a new casual game i wonder: will all games still be there? i mean if the client f...s up BOOM the game might not show up, they might even be 'gone' cause i don't trust clients so i always told everyone GOG = the safe place to be
.
Same goes for GG: everytime i login : i wander: oh god will my games be there? are they still downloadable cause boy they mess up a lot, game versions that say they wont work while they do on win 7 but some part of the database/website messed up and would download bad versions etc etc etc...its bad for the health and the old ticker.

Anyway if you need some old fashioned adrenaline to pump regulary: join GG and Steam :D
both are not good for the health as a gamer.

GOG was the safehouse, the shelter, the bunker that would withstand anything and anyone i felt comfortable..... but since that profile stuff ( it was 'reversed/adapted in a away) the rest and feeling at ease and comfy disappeared, thats why i logged in after seeing some parts of new posts here....

To end this reply i want to add that when GOG started to add almost any/every type of game here i got worried, that in an attempt to race the evil Steam they might add almost everything to increase the good old collections....and they did... many of which i felt they were more like 'Steam" games or even GamersGate games ( GG in short)

I also felt that something was growing... some uneasyness slowly crept in democracy seemed to be slowing changing and fading....which left a very uncomfortable feeling as if you have to stand up every time to defend your democracy and the freedom to start a healthy discussion without the fear of being silenced....

I feel quite sad ,......
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nightcraw1er.488: Don't be sad mate, I just been playing doom 2016 and it is way better than doom 3/bfg, and GTA 5 was leagues better than GTA 4 so there is hope :o)
i hope so mate... i really do .... thats why i also hope they wont remove our posts or change them a feeling which i never had before , only at steam and GG i felt they would remove or change repleis/posts thats the way steam and GG go....

Now i have to go offline play some games cause i'm getting too sad while i used to get happy replying and being here ....so i need to flush away the sadness :D
Post edited June 27, 2018 by gamesfreak64
Posted June 27, 2018
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Cavalary: As for the game itself, from the shots here it does strike me as looking surprisingly good for something released in 89. But not knowing anything else about it, that's all I can say.
It had several releases and re releases. It seems the VGA version is from the late 1990 or 1991 and I think it was released later than the European one.
Posted June 27, 2018
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htown1980: I don't really understand why you say gog is steam. For me the key is DRM, I hope to never be forced to buy something that is subject to DRM or requires me to be online and gog allows me to do that. I've never used gog galaxy so I haven't notice any change over the years (admittedly I have only been here since 2011 so maybe it was different before then).

In what way is gog steam?
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nightcraw1er.488: Have you not read a single thing on here over the last two years?
I haven't been very active on this forum in the last few years, so its probably not accurate to say I haven't read a single thing on here over the last two years, but I also haven't been steeped in this forum.

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nightcraw1er.488: Or in fact read any of the posts I presented above?
I am not sure what you mean by "the posts presented above". I don't know what posts you have "presented".

You posted something about how this game was available on steam with some other games for $1. Then you posted this comment about steam that I replied to (post 25). At post 40 you said that gog want to be steam (which I note is very different from saying gog is steam - in fact it necessarily follows that if gog wants to be steam, it cannot already be steam, as then gog would be wanting to be something that it already is - which doesn't make a lot of sense).

My question enquiring about the ways in which gog is steam is post 88.

So, firstly, as there is only one post between your post 25 and my post 88 posing a question, there are no "posts", secondly, I don't see what is in your post 40 which would enlighten me about how gog is steam (which as I said above implies that gog cannot be steam).

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nightcraw1er.488: The only thing that gog does not as yet have is an optional ceg component. I say optional as there are lots of games on steam which are drm free, i.e. Do not have the ceg component, like this title.
So this doesn't really answer my question, I am asking you for the ways that gog and steam are similar, you are responding by giving me an example of the ways that gog and steam are different.

I have never really used steam so I cannot speak about the similarities but I know that the 300+ games I have on gog are all DRM free and I don't need an internet connection to play any of them and I can play them on any computer I like, whether it is mine or not and whether I have logged into my gog account on that computer or not. As I understand it, there are a lot of games on steam that are not DRM free and do need an internet connection to play. That seems to me to be quite a fundamental difference. I also like that I don't need a client to download or install any games - I think steam uses a client for downloads (but again I am not sure).

Its unclear to me why you say they are the same. You obviously don't have to answer my question, and it is clear from your terse response that you are quite defensive about the question, but I think it would be instructive to know what fundamental aspects of gog and steam you think are the same so I can at least work out for myself whether you are a rational person or not.

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nightcraw1er.488: As for required online, try playing Gwent, absolver, etc. Offline.
I haven't played Gwent or Absolver and don't have any interest in them. Aren't they multiplayer games? I don't play multiplayer games. Isn't it fairly obvious that they would be online then? Do people play card games on LAN or something?

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nightcraw1er.488: It's been made clear at each and every juncture that if steam does it, then gog will do it, client, regional pricing, profiles etc. Hence gog=steam which is exactly what they want, to be competing at that level.
I haven't used gog's client. And I have never felt any desire to do so. Is steam's client also optional? Like I can go to the steam website and buy and download and play their games without a client? Do you think gog and steam are the same because they both have optional clients?

I don't know if I have a profile, I mean I have a profile in this forum, but that's just a website, that isn't linked to the games at all. And I have had my forum profile since 2011. What do you mean by profile? And is it that both gog and steam have the option for users to make forum profiles that makes you say they are the same?

I understand they both have regional pricing, but, as I live in a rich country, I don't expect people living in poorer countries to pay the same as me. That doesn't bother me, but I appreciate it may bother some.

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nightcraw1er.488: Perhaps with cyberpunk they will release their optional geg component that provides user security in knowing they have an acurate non-pirated copy. I assume all the gog defenders posting here will be voraciously defending such a thing as online with modern gaming and a benefit to all of us.
I know what a ceg component is, but what is a geg component?
Posted June 27, 2018
GEG component ? typo i guess i make a lot of typos cause i want to type fast otherwise i'd be typing 30 minutes to get 3 lines of text online :D

GEG does exits but its google stuff:

GEG (Google Educator Group)
Posted June 27, 2018
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gamesfreak64: GEG component ? typo i guess i make a lot of typos cause i want to type fast otherwise i'd be typing 30 minutes to get 3 lines of text online :D

GEG does exits but its google stuff:

GEG (Google Educator Group)
Perhaps a mashup of gog + ceg? Oh and need a mod gogshop as well, probably why they have been so close with nexus recently, perhaps NMM will be GOGs mod workshop basis.
Posted June 27, 2018
AHA GAMEGRUMPS played the Japanese version of this long ago, man this game is funny as hell. got to get it!
Posted June 27, 2018
Wow, the price was quite high even before the increase...
OK, shame on me, but I've decided to purchase that Fanatical bundle for 1 euro.
Posted June 28, 2018
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eiii: Increasing the price one day after release... not nice!
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Cavalary: Increasing for those outside Europe...
And not only for those outside of Europe.
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Posted June 28, 2018
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gamesfreak64: GEG component ? typo i guess i make a lot of typos cause i want to type fast otherwise i'd be typing 30 minutes to get 3 lines of text online :D

GEG does exits but its google stuff:

GEG (Google Educator Group)
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nightcraw1er.488: Perhaps a mashup of gog + ceg? Oh and need a mod gogshop as well, probably why they have been so close with nexus recently, perhaps NMM will be GOGs mod workshop basis.
Maybe... anno 2018 everything is possible before we know it pigs will fly and hel will freeze over... the downside would be that so many promises made will have to be followed through ... the fun side would be to see it all happen
Posted June 28, 2018
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Posted June 28, 2018
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Cavalary: Increasing for those outside Europe...
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eiii: And not only for those outside of Europe.
to all people inside Europe.... bad luck for you i guess ( oh darn i live ine Europe aswell :D)
To all people outside Europe , EU loves to expand ( EU= not to be mixed up with Europe: EU= A non physcial thing its a European Union , its more a written thing some 'clever' people came up after they throwed away the old working EEC ( European Economic Comunity or Europese Ecomische Gemeenschap ( EEG in Dutch)

Europe is something else: ( Europe = good .....)

the idea of EU = basically good but it has become 90% ( maybe more) politcally , it used to be trading and good relations ( 99%) but went ofcourse by wanting to control everything without enough transparancy

wikipedia:

Europe is a continent located entirely in the Northern Hemisphere and mostly in the Eastern Hemisphere. It is bordered by the Arctic Ocean to the north, the Atlantic Ocean to the west and the Mediterranean Sea to the south. Wikipedia
Area: 10.18 million km²
Population: 741.4 million (2016)
EU (wikipedia)

The European Union is a political and economic union comprising Germany and its twenty-seven vassal states that are located primarily in Europe. It has an area of 4,475,757 km² and an estimated population of over 510 million. Wikipedia
Members: United Kingdom, Germany, Italy, Poland, France, Croatia, MORE Trending
Headquarters: City of Brussels, Belgium
Founded: November 1, 1993, Maastricht
Unemployment rate: 7.1% (Feb 2018) Eurostat
Currencies: Euro (EUR; €; Eurozone), MORE
Founders: Germany, Italy, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg
Anyway, if possible they would allow the entire globe to join EU which might be good cause then every gamer can ben benefit the from the Euro ( and all % off games prices)



While Googling the results also included this: the fun part is the US, cause US also means us so the text reads that EU took advantage of us



Trump: EU was ‘set up to take advantage’ of US
Politico Europe
47 mins ago
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