There is no comparison between colour and black and white photos and 1986 CGA graphics and later VGA, SCGA, modern graphics. Its not just an issue of number of colours, its pixel size, processing power, the tools that the programmers had at the time, the skills of the people making games at the time. You would know that there weren't a lot of musicians involved in the making of game music in the 1986 CGA era of pc gaming.

I'm not talking about photorealism, I'm talking about the difference between 4 colours and giant pixels and 256+ colours and smaller pixels. There is a reason why modern retro indie games don't emulate CGA graphics or pc speaker sound.

I don't play many modern games, My favourite era of games is the early to mid 90s. No matter how artistic you are, there is only so much you can do with a pc speaker and 4 colours, particularly with programming technology at 1986. (contrast for example to the wonderful work that was done with the pc speaker in the late 80s, early 90s with "real sound")

I didn't say games from the 80s had bad game music. I said I personally wouldn't want to listen to the soundtrack of a game from 1986. There is a subtle difference.

I would love for you to show me a pc game from 1986 that you believe had wonderful game music.

This was my original feedback for your Wings Remastered Edition, it was harsh, but an honest opinion.

I remember when they did the original kickstarter for this, I gave them a harsh email. I mentioned they spent more time and money on the blonde advertising the game than the actual footage of the game. I said it looked tacky and cheesy and then went on how they should at least have a playable demo to advertise the game properly.

They then came back to kickstarter with a demo, I tried it; dreadful. So many problems... The look and feel seems tacky and cheesy. The explosions are no way as good as the original Wings. The enemy planes seem to fly with no AI. It is essentially a mobile/tablet game when it should have been more PC focused. The attention to detail is atrocious. For example, when you get hit in the remastered version the screen goes red. The original showed a sequence where you collide with the enemy giving you the chance to ditch your plane and survive for another day. Your pilot could also be shot, or your plane may go completely out of control through gunfire. I see no passion put into this game. If this is the quality of the remastered version then I am not interested to see if they do 'It Came from the Desert' or 'Rocket Ranger', all three are favourites. The originals will always be the best until someone decides to give the games the respect they deserve.


Side Note: If there is a new demo I have not tried it. I actually felt pretty disgusted as to how you treated the remaster and how you advertised the game when you first put it on Kickstarter. It is essentially a mobile device game dumbed down for that particular audience. The graphics also did not reflect the quality of the concept art which I thought was good, but like you say it is a WIP.

Anyway...I haven't tried the new demo so I won't speculate to accumulate so to speak.

Thank you for the Amiga games though, many of them were terrific from your TVSports games, The Lord of the Rising Sun to Wings. I did complete Wings back in the day too and if I remember correctly there were hmmm...241 or was 244 missions.

Hi Cinemaware why did you not provide the more superior CDTV/CD32 version?

I bet Cinemaware made that in-house emulator also because they are making money off the android ports too with it.
And good for them!
But if this is the only route gog's getting amiga games, Cinemaware would have to share that with other people who want to do these pc ports of amiga games, and yeah like that's gonna happen for free :)

But better not hang on to negative things too much, this is PROGRESS! ;)

Ah sorry, thanks for correction!
Amiga matters are as bizarre as they ever were :)
There was some story saying the Main Man is dead anyhow, who was called the Father of Amiga or something.

Well, sometimes it's different for some people, even for me. It's not uncommon for people to buy things, especially games and music, just to support whomever is selling it, and for a variety of reasons. Maybe they think they're just cool people. Maybe they have a common agenda. Maybe they like things they've done in the past.

However, when you're running a business, you should never ever count on that effect. If your products can't be sold on their own merits, you will eventually go out of business. When you take people's money in exchange for goods or services rendered, those people are your customers, first and foremost.
Of course not ;-) I do believe I've made it clear that my distaste for the PC music is just that, distaste. And taste is subjective. However, I also believe that the vast majority of people who do like the PC music only like it for nostalgic reasons. Which, again, is perfectly fine :-)

Well, I see no reason to rant and rave like they said something nasty about my mother. On the other hand, the honest opinions of paying customers are important to people who run a business (or should be important anyway).

Positive feedback is nice of course, but negative feedback is probably more helpful in the long run, even if it isn't very fun to read for the recipient. I'm not saying people should nag developers about every tiniest little detail (although they do), but if there is something about a product, be it a game or something else, that you truly feel detracts from the value of said product, be it an attribute of the product itself, the way it is sold, the post-sale support, etc., I think you should inform the people selling the product of it. If they get 1000 emails, 998 of which say that everything about the product is fantastic, and only two saying that this or that is wrong with it, then at least they know not to worry too much about those bits. Of course, if it's the other way around...

Some people seem to have an attitude of "If you're not going to say something nice, don't say anything at all", which is about as wrong as it can be when we're talking business. What people who sell things really need to know, is what it would take to sell more things than they do now.
Oh, I agree. I think it's fantastic that they are here and are talking to us. But then I also think it's in their own best interest to do so.
Well, when I played the game on my Amiga back in the day, the mouse cursor did not traverse the entire width of the screen when I moved the mouse a mere inch. The game also didn't suddenly choose a completely arbitrary menu option when I clicked somewhere unrelated on the screen. I didn't mention that last bit earlier because someone else already had, but the focus of the discussion of the problems with the release seems to have narrowed down to only my remarks, which is a pity.
If you read my review on the game card, you'll see me saying the exact same thing ;-) However, that doesn't mean that there aren't also additional issues with the release that were not in the original game.

Defender of the Crown is a nice little game that I love to play on my GBA every now and again. But I can't really see why I should play it on my PC as well.

Technical quality, yes. And in some cases, like with PC speaker music, the technology is so limited that the compositions never get a chance to shine through.

It doesn't take much though. The C64 had some of the most amazing game music, and it only had three sound channels. Of course it helped that the SID chip (the sound chip used in the C64) is basically a complete analog synthesizer, which is still being used to this day. And three channels is enough for the compositions themselves to come into their own. Enough to let your imagination "fill in the blanks" and imagine the composition being played by a full symphonic orchestra, or a rock band, for that matter. Yes, from a purely technical viewpoint, C64 music is quite limited, but there is more to music than technical quality. The compositions are important.

Here are a few examples of, in my opinion, really great compositions from C64 games.

The Last Ninja - The Wastelands

Warhawk - Main Theme

And of course, my personal favourite, Monty On The Run - Main Theme

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Will Wings: Remastered be coming to GOG and if so, will Kickstarter backers be able to receive their copy as a GOG redemption code?

Thanks.

For what it's worth, I just played a bit of Defender of the Crown and it seems just as I remember it. I didn't notice any glaring issues with the emulation. Bring on IT CAME FROM THE DESERT and ANTHEADS!

Could you please clarify? Are you saying that Wings Remastered is not coming to GOG at all or that backers will not be allowed to redeem their copy on GOG?

Wings! Remastered Edition will not be on GOG for some time to come. Backers will get their download codes directly from Cinemaware.

Thank you for the information, though I am confused as to why Cinemaware would delay the release on GOG.