I never said he was energy (and the Force ain't energy), though definitively he is a person.

Like I said, the principle is nonsensical. To use your burger example, a lot of people don't like pickles, so they just scrape off the pickles. Same with games. I don't particularly care about multiplayer for any game, so should I demand a single player only version of games at a discount?

It's a non-issue in every stretch of the word.

While i'm not advocating using such, it would seem some(the more reputable ones) "abandonware" sites are doing a bit better in this regard as they often allow one to get what version they want without being made to take other versions along with them.

Abandonware sites are also free, making this even more of a non-issue.

To you....the principle matters to some just like having games be DRM free is considered proper to some and unneeded to others.

As to the example: What if the person in question can't have an item due to religious reasons(jews and pork) or is allergic(to pickles/pork/etc) and are told tnhey have to take it anyways? In some cases, simply scraping the item off can still lead to issues(some consider if an offensive item even touches something they want to use/consume that it becomes "unclean" to them, and contact with allergens of even minor amounts can affect some people).

To your mp/sp seperation example.....It's not exactly the same in one key aspect: One can easily seperate game versions(different installers/discs). This is usually not so with two game modes of the same game. Also some games DO charge you less if you choose not to partake in the MP portion(by charging you for online passes if you choose to play mp...which one would not buy if they didn't want mp for those games that offered such schemes).


Yes, but some have scruples and will not use such sites.

That's a completely different thing. Those are actively hazardous, like how games should not ship with malware. Having something that you don't care about is different, because that, you just ignore. You keep trying to come up with different analogies, but each of them do not apply here.

Not all principles are respectable, if you ask me. Principles need logical reasoning to back them up. That's what separates ones taken seriously and ones that don't. There are a long list of reasons to care about no DRM. There are a long list of reasons to care about having more features too, for those who prefer Steam. Simply stating it's a "principle" does not make it any less nonsensical, it just means the principle itself is ridiculous too.

And as for multiplayer side of things, you can actually easily separate them. A lot of console games ship with multiple disks that separate single player and multiplayer. In the old days with multiple disks to install PC games, that was the same too. If I really wanted to, I can (and have) easily removed the multiplayer files on various games I downloaded to save space. So I should demand a single player only version of the game too, right? That's how this principle works. And I can even dig further into the files and delete individual levels if I want to. So should I demand a game only give me levels 1, 3 and 10 if those are the only ones I like? It's absurd.

The only thing I can possibly understand is the increased money. But like I said, it's $5 difference. Anywhere where $5 difference is a big enough change to warrant changing your mind on, then you clearly should worry about money in other areas.

By himself he is essentially nothing, meaning he exists only once he/it/whatever is inside someone. He becomes Tchernobog only after merging with a person.

All of this is how I see it of course.

But anyway, no need to derail the thread further and argue about a fictitious character in a computer game.

I too don't care for MP in turok 2 either, and from what I understand we can play MP for it on doomseeker? least thats what I had heard

I will buy games on GOG with only Windows support since I use both OS's but its annoying that my copy of Turok 2 on GOG doesn't have linux support when the Steam version does

Oh I know, but I was just talking about it from a price standpoint.

Just a shame a lot of games are in a legal limbo where downloading them illegally is the easiest way to get them. Still waiting for Prey 2006, NOLF 1 and 2, etc.

You can keep twisting words as much as you like, the fact still remains the same: the stand-alone classic version was removed from the store, you have to buy a more expensive package in order to get it. It doesn't really matter how much more it costs now or how many potential buyers are affected, all that matters (for me at least) is that they had no valid reason for not giving us the ability to choose which version we'd like to purchase other than additional monetary gains.

It's starting to become quite clear that we see this situation in a fundamentally different way which is okay. I, for one, can't take offense in not having a version of a game included which was not previously available (like Doom 3 for example, although I'd very much like to have it) because to me that sounds like being ungrateful over something that shouldn't have been taken for granted anyway and anything could be the reason behind it. On the other hand having an already working option removed without a solid reason (which could range from technical to legal, as sad as that may sound) is something that I simply cannot accept.

If you don't see the difference between these cases then there's nothing more left for us to discuss. Peace out.

They apply in a way/to a degree(imo). If you do not see that then either i'm not edplaining myself properly(a possibility) or you don't get what i'm trying to say/point out.
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Principles can also be emotionally/culturally/etc based. And whether or not someone takes another's principles seriously or not doesn't make said principles more/less good/valid to those who choose to uphold them or objectively nonsensical.

As such, prove to me(with proof/evidence/figures/studies) that the principle I posited is nonsensical...otherwise you(as am I) are just talking from your own personal feelings and not logic.
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In regards to separating game parts to sell, that's up to the devs and would often require some work to pull off. The different game installers are already pre-made to be separate and thus they can/should offer them separately to be fair.

The basic concept/principle is sound(imo): One should not be forced(this is forcing one to do so, in a way) to buy something they don't want to get something they do if the things in question were made to be sold separately in the first place.
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Everyone has differing priorities, and the money isn't the issue....but as I said before: It's the principle of buying something you don't want/need to get something you do(when the two products were made originally to be sold separately/were originally offered separately).

In the end, you make a logical "mistake": You seem to assume that something is objectively nonsensical(principles others have) because you don't see the point/disagree with such. In the end, all principles are for the most part subjectively based and thus can be valid to some and not ton others.....this doesn't mean they are automatically disproven/bad because one says so.

I'm not sure if there's any need to actually buy it.

How is it derailing to talk about a game character in a page about that game? 0.o

Though none of Lovecraft's gods turned out to be wimps the way Tchenonborg did.....

BTW Blood is full of Lovecraft references. The designers were huge fans of Lovecraft.