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The lost chapter in the Bhaalspawn saga

<span class="bold">Siege of Dragonspear</span>, the brand new expansion that bridges the gap between Baldur's Gate I and II, is now available, DRM-free on GOG.com.

What happened to our heroes after they defeated Sarevok and before they ended up captives inside Jon Irenicus' prison lab? Did they stick together? Did they drift apart? Did Boo get to bite any more delicious eyeballs? The brand new 25-hour expansion Siege of Dragonspear promises to answer these pressing questions, which have been lingering for 18 whole years, while also delivering an adventure worth of Baldur's Gate's glorious legacy.

A powerful army led by a charismatic warrior only known as the Shining Lady has been pillaging the Sword Coast, forcibly enlisting locals and causing general unrest. Even more disturbing are the rumors of her also being the child of a god. A showdown is inevitable.
Siege of Dragonspear brings your party to entirely new areas of the Sword Coast, facing new monsters, finding new loot, and tackling new quests. All your companions from Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition return and are joined here by Captain Schael Corwin, a deadshot archer, Voghiln the Vast, a mighty northerner warrior, M’Khiin Grubdoubler, a goblin shaman (new class), and Glint Gardnersonson, the kind gnome cleric. Your RPG experience gets even more enhanced thanks to the improved UI and Infinity Engine features, which will feel both familiar and welcome to new and seasoned players alike.

If you want to get the OST from the original Baldur's Gate, plus the extra tracks composed for the Enhanced Edition and Siege of Dragonspear, you can also grab <span class="bold">Siege of Dragonspear - Digital Deluxe Edition</span>.
Note that GOG Galaxy support for achievements in Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition, and Baldur's Gate Enhanced Edition - Siege of Dragonspear is going to be implemented in the near future.

Continue the saga of the Bhaalspawn and deal with a rising power in <span class="bold">Siege of Dragonspear</span>, DRM-free on GOG.com.

Siege of Dragonspear requires <span class="bold">Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition</span> on GOG.com. You can pick up Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition at 75% off, or 85% off if you own the original saga

Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition will be 75% off until April 4 11:59 PM PDT / April 5 2:59 AM EDT/ 7:59 BST and 60% off until April 29 10:59 AM PDT / 1:59 PM EDT / 18:59 BST. The 85% discount for owners of the original saga will last until April 29 10:59 AM PDT / 1:59 PM EDT / 18:59 BST.
Post edited April 02, 2016 by maladr0Id
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IronArcturus: Is there a reason why it only works with the Enhanced Editions?
Its called money, they added a widescreen mod to the game, and unfortunately that meant everyone has to buy it again.
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Gede: I have an old BG pack on discs, and purchased the originals here on GOG too. I only played the originals for about an hour, and did not get very far. So, I'm still looking for my first "real" experience of BG.

I also remember trying to get the original game to play with the interface of BG2, with no success (I read that was recommended).

I see that GOG is currently offering the BG1 EE for a cheap price. Still, I wonder if it is worth it. I read some good reviews and some bad reviews. Many say it is very worthwhile, the most recent ones say it is full of bugs. I really don't know where to stand! :-S

Would someone care to mention if the new EE is worth buying? I would like to see improvements in the UI, and better scaling is good. However, I notice some 3D rendering-like look in some scenery that I don't fancy.

In particular, I would welcome some feedback on how each version runs on Linux. Thank you.
No, its not. If you already have the originals, look up something called big world setup. It is a program which merges the two games, and adds a ton of extra content in. That is the definitive edition of the game to my mind, and I own several different versions.
Post edited April 05, 2016 by nightcraw1er.488
So there really are people that post reviews even though they haven't played the game or have anything to contribute.
I always suspected as much.
So they forced SJW crap into this expansion? Yeah not buying until there is a mod that removes this crap. I hate these Thought Police idiots. When the modding begins for this, I'll take another look at it.
Oh my, am I glad I exercised caution and read the comments here and over the BG:EE threads before committing to buying this expansion.

That is some of the worst writing I have ever experienced in a game in my life (certainly THE worst if you only take into account story-driven games and exclude mindless FPSs or Hn'Ss).

Take this for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__6nFM5GER8

So, the developers decided to introduce a Trans-gender character.
Not what I would have thought to do (definitely not with someone else's widely beloved and already established brainchild) but OK.
Disregarding the course of action the video uploader decided to take, let's focus on the execution itself.

Firstly, it is beyond jarring that they used a "normal" female voice for the introduction line and switched to an effeminate "male" voice for the "explanation" line, making it feel like an after-through or sth someone "patched" in at the last minute without anyone else noticing.

And then of course there's the part that, political (in)correctness aside, this is just plain BAD writing, made even worse by the realization that the writers in question were so focused on ticking this box and forcefully throwing it in the player's face (with THE lamest story-telling device imaginable) that they completely disregarded a story-telling device that already was in the original game and that would have made PERFECT sense to use.

Yep, you guessed it, I'm talking about the "Girdle of Masculinity/Femininity".

Now I'm not a writer but if I were asked to introduce a Trans-gender character I would have opted to use a Lore Check and identify that said NPC was wearing the accursed girdle and then have the party comment on that. To make it even more accessible I would have made the check auto-succeed if the party had already come across said item in the original game.


To take it a step further, I would have probably been tempted to take this opportunity and make him/her a recruit-able party member instead which by default wore the girdle.

Then, possibly after checking the inventory and seeing that the character was wearing the girdle, I would have made it so the game triggered a conversation where either the Bhaalspawn or another party member would commend on the girdle and offer to have it removed, thus prompting said character reluctantly revealing that wearing the cursed item was intentional.
I believe that a GOOD writer (i.e. NOT the one that actually wrote this) would have been able to flesh out a particularly memorable and IMHO even identifiable character; perhaps not literally for many but I believe the struggle with the world around them and within themselves for acceptance would have resonated on multiple levels.

Naturally there would have to be an optional set of lines for the player to either forcefully remove the girdle or convince the NPC to accept him/her-self for who he/she is/was born as, thus opening a plethora of possible outcomes and also ticking all kinds of LGBT checkboxes since that it basically what the developers/writers' intention appears to have been.


Heck, to take it even further, it would have been possible to make said party member romance-able, thus giving a heckova lot of diversity to the game using just a single NPC (that the purists would have been able to easily ignore if it offended their sensibilities) and, again, ticking a whole lot of LGBT checkboxes if they were so inclined.
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wolfsrain: Maybe removing the reviews is a good idea?!
Or at least set a time delay between a game becoming available and reviews being allowed.
I'm a firm believer that reviews should be left to professional reviewers. I've lost count of how many "reviews" show up after less than an hour of a game's release, or give a negative rating due to "no multiplayer/ no coop/ whatever it is I don't like"
Obviously there are proper amateur reviews with good arguments, proper pros and cons and factual information but, unfortunately, they are few and far between.
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wolfsrain: The funny thing is that the original complaints were about the game's stability, the bugs and the overall bad writing. Than someone find the jab to GG and the transgender character. And from there everything went downhill. Beamdog handled the whole situation in the nost unprofessional, harmful manner for all the parties involved. When you PR pours gas on fire, to actually believe that you will get those projected sales is naive, at least...And, yeah almost forgot Trent's call for positive reviews. I think that there are certain rules on Steam and GOG for review manipulation?! Maybe removing the reviews is a good idea?!
Isn't there going to be a Baldur's Gate 3 and its being made by Beamdog?

And after this whole controversy now I wonder how BG 3 is gonna be like.
The question now shifted to "it will be a BG3, anymore?"
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YaTEdiGo: ¨Minsc doing jokes about GamerGate¨

I was going to INSTABUY this game. Good Bye BEAMDOG I do not need your TWITTER iPAD WARRIORS SHIT when I want to "disconnect" playing my games, break the 4th wall is for FRUSTRATED POLITICIANS turned out to try to be ¨GOOD¨ writers...

Not even in a discount. This is enough.
I have two comments about Minsc's joke. One thing to note, as opposed to an awful lot of people spouting vitriol towards this game, I own it, and I've actually played it.

1.) I don't know anything about GamerGate. I haven't paid attention to it, I have no idea what it's about, and I don't give a shit either way. I don't know anything about some GG tagline. When I first heard Minsc's joke, I laughed. i instantly took it as poking fun at Baldur's Gate itself. Pretty much every party of adventurers, regardless of alignment, comes to town, and immediately enters every building and searches every bench, box, bookcase and barrel for things to pilfer. I'm pretty sure most parties even search things that start with other letters. One of the great ironies of the game is that there are quests that have the option of a good aligned outcome where the quest can only be accessed by breaking into someones house! Without any sort of GG background, the joke isn't obvious.

2.) I've seen lots of people try and claim that the comment is "out of character" for Minsc. I disagree. Minsc is a good aligned lunatic. I'm positive that somewhere in the noggin of his, there's a set of Minsc's Ethics for Adventuring that he lives by. I didn't feel that his comment was out of character, I thought it fit his character perfectly. If they'd tacked a ", right Boo?" on the end, it would have been perfect.

I think the real problem for Beamdog/Overhaul is that people take shit way to seriously in 2016 compared to 1998.
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wolfsrain: The question now shifted to "it will be a BG3, anymore?"
Same question as how can there be a bit between the games, how can there be a baldurs gate 3? The storyline was done, finished, with BG1+2+TOB.
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I already wasn't planning on buying the new expansion (because I've had my own headcanons for more than 15 years now of what happened to my characters in between), but I was considering purchasing the base EEs with the heavy discount for owners of the originals. This silliness makes me reconsider whether to purchase even the base EEs. It's the idea of an author defending the poor quality of their writing on the grounds that "It's politically correct!" that offends me. Any author who can't separate criticism of their style from criticism of their social opinions will never be able to develop their skills and justly deserves to fade into obscurity.
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wolfsrain: The question now shifted to "it will be a BG3, anymore?"
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nightcraw1er.488: Same question as how can there be a bit between the games, how can there be a baldurs gate 3? The storyline was done, finished, with BG1+2+TOB.
Sorry for being too cryptic. Seeing the whole PR disaster, i wonder how the sales went, because Trent Oster mentioned that the sales of this new expansion will factor heavily if Beamdog will be able to start working on BG3 or not.
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nightcraw1er.488: Same question as how can there be a bit between the games, how can there be a baldurs gate 3? The storyline was done, finished, with BG1+2+TOB.
How can there be a Witcher 4?
GOG, just so you know, you have a typo in patch notes to version 2.0 of BG1 - it says patch was released 1. march, whereas it was released 31. march.
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Luned: I already wasn't planning on buying the new expansion (because I've had my own headcanons for more than 15 years now of what happened to my characters in between), but I was considering purchasing the base EEs with the heavy discount for owners of the originals. This silliness makes me reconsider whether to purchase even the base EEs. It's the idea of an author defending the poor quality of their writing on the grounds that "It's politically correct!" that offends me. Any author who can't separate criticism of their style from criticism of their social opinions will never be able to develop their skills and justly deserves to fade into obscurity.
That's harsh, from a general writing point of view, it's not harsh it's limited and giving up on reading many good stuff.

Video games is a different context but it's even worse, because historically video games tend also target younger population, many had/have a much higher focus on imposed morale than do really good writings.

Your problem here is a part of the imposed morale of the game isn't a morale you share. You probably didn't even noticed plenty other imposed morale and ton of other "politically correct" stuff. So in my point of view, it's hardly the "politically correct" your problem because original BG1 is already full of it. Your problem is more because you don't share it on this specific aspect (gay/trans) and it's important for you.

Now how video games often tend manage morale is far to be the best way to manage it, the trick shouldn't be to impose a morale point of view to a reader/a player, but instead expose the points and make him think himself about it.

In context of the game it could have been to offer to players a few interaction well thought and subtle enough, with a bit of positiveness or a bit of negativity, for or against trans/gay, the choice would have gave a chance to think a bit about the subject. More complex and more subtle would have been to build a quest and some true players choices about the subject.

A second potential error the dev eventually did, is try build a com about the subject. If their purpose was to sell better the game they probably failed, if their purpose was that the subject was argued and thought about it more by more people, they clearly succeed. :-)

Is all of that worth vote down good detailed reviews that don't bother comment negatively this aspect, in my opinion not at all, it's just players that feel they act good and feel it's justified to do so without realize they are nose handled by some anti hype. But ok down vote is a free choice, just a choice. :-)
Post edited April 05, 2016 by Senestoj
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nightcraw1er.488: Same question as how can there be a bit between the games, how can there be a baldurs gate 3? The storyline was done, finished, with BG1+2+TOB.
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Starmaker: How can there be a Witcher 4?
I have no idea. I played W1 through, great game. I have W2, not played it yet, go the boxed edition when it was released as well, computer couldn't handle at the time. So no, not nuying W3 till they make a complete edition at a reasonable price. Already had it with BG series, I have 2 physical copies of BG1, 4 physical copies of BG 2 + TOB, 1 digital of each, plus a digital of the "enhanced". I mean how many more fecking versions do I need, what with these d---heads only releasing new things for the new version.
BG1 + BG2 + Big World Setup - only way to go!