Posted September 10, 2014
Here it's 900 RON, 203.22€ at today's rate, and that's before the taxes paid by the employee, which eat about a quarter of it.
Cavalary
RIP GoodOldGOG:DRMfree,one price,goodies,community
Registered: May 2011
From Romania
Here it's 900 RON, 203.22€ at today's rate, and that's before the taxes paid by the employee, which eat about a quarter of it.
MIK0
New User
Registered: Sep 2008
From Italy
Posted September 10, 2014
high rated
I'd like to repost what I said here, because the thread was locked.
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/newly_regionalpriced_games/post402
And the correct response to that is: errare humanum est, perseverare autem diabolicum
(served on a silver plate :D)
More seriously, your strangerly well timed lack of communication on some matter make people rightly believe you are hiding facts to make them pass without being noticed by most of the customers. And there's no rational reason to think otherwise. You shouldn't make big announcement only when you think they are good for you, you should do them even to expose the nasty things that happen behind the scene, otherwise that cannot be called trasparency and clearly you cannot expect people to trust you.
Your main points are shown with proud on the main page, and you are constantly attacking them with your decision (or decision you think you had to make). I think that even what you do that don't actually go toward the best interest of your customer base should be shown with the same relevance.
You don't like regional price as your customers? Then why don't work with them to better respect their interest?
Customers want to have all the information they need to choose when and where purchase.
Keep regional priced game, but create a badge of shame to put on them. Maybe even a different category or tag to easly filter them. And do that regardless of the user region: if the game doesn't have the same price everywhere, make people know. Let people know which publisher enforce this kind of price so they can remember their name in the future. It's not that you do harm to the publisher, you are only give your customers information: the harm comes from the publisher decision. Every time you hide this information the customers will make uninformed purchase and so that sale is not legit and that's your fault. You can easly correct that.
Also, if publishers don't want the badge of shame on their games, they can easly change the price to not regional ones, like most publisher do. Selling this games without wanting the badge of shame on them is just dishonest.
Also. If the issue are different currency that make publisher wanting to adapt them to other store counterpart, then better get rid of them. Different currency gives less benefits than harm at this point.
If store credits is the same as paying less for the customers, then why isn't GOG who pay the difference in the first place? Maybe because it isn't the same thing. If the customers keep buying game from GOG, it won't do much of a difference, in the end GOG will only lack the last difference amout.
I find the increasing number of regional priced games really suspicious. Games that didn't need regional pricing now have it. Games from publisher that didn't use regional pricing now have it. New game added to the calague now have regional prices. It seems that this didn't increase the bargain power of GOG in any way. It seems that the recent changes of GOG made it easier for publisher to get their demand satisfied.
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/newly_regionalpriced_games/post402
And the correct response to that is: errare humanum est, perseverare autem diabolicum
(served on a silver plate :D)
More seriously, your strangerly well timed lack of communication on some matter make people rightly believe you are hiding facts to make them pass without being noticed by most of the customers. And there's no rational reason to think otherwise. You shouldn't make big announcement only when you think they are good for you, you should do them even to expose the nasty things that happen behind the scene, otherwise that cannot be called trasparency and clearly you cannot expect people to trust you.
Your main points are shown with proud on the main page, and you are constantly attacking them with your decision (or decision you think you had to make). I think that even what you do that don't actually go toward the best interest of your customer base should be shown with the same relevance.
You don't like regional price as your customers? Then why don't work with them to better respect their interest?
Customers want to have all the information they need to choose when and where purchase.
Keep regional priced game, but create a badge of shame to put on them. Maybe even a different category or tag to easly filter them. And do that regardless of the user region: if the game doesn't have the same price everywhere, make people know. Let people know which publisher enforce this kind of price so they can remember their name in the future. It's not that you do harm to the publisher, you are only give your customers information: the harm comes from the publisher decision. Every time you hide this information the customers will make uninformed purchase and so that sale is not legit and that's your fault. You can easly correct that.
Also, if publishers don't want the badge of shame on their games, they can easly change the price to not regional ones, like most publisher do. Selling this games without wanting the badge of shame on them is just dishonest.
Also. If the issue are different currency that make publisher wanting to adapt them to other store counterpart, then better get rid of them. Different currency gives less benefits than harm at this point.
If store credits is the same as paying less for the customers, then why isn't GOG who pay the difference in the first place? Maybe because it isn't the same thing. If the customers keep buying game from GOG, it won't do much of a difference, in the end GOG will only lack the last difference amout.
I find the increasing number of regional priced games really suspicious. Games that didn't need regional pricing now have it. Games from publisher that didn't use regional pricing now have it. New game added to the calague now have regional prices. It seems that this didn't increase the bargain power of GOG in any way. It seems that the recent changes of GOG made it easier for publisher to get their demand satisfied.
Klumpen0815
+91
Registered: Dec 2012
From Germany
Posted September 10, 2014
The 8.5€ is brutto afaik and there are a lot of taxes here which will leave you only a part of it (depending on income it can eat up to nearly half of it) but it's only for businesses which have a similar minimum wage anyway (Tariflohn) and the brutally underpaid jobs are still not affected.
565€ netto as real minimum income wouldn't be bad, many people here get less and the new law doesn't change this at all.
As I said: It's a sick and cruel joke.
Post edited September 10, 2014 by Klumpen0815
TimAhKin
New User
Registered: Oct 2011
From United Kingdom
Posted September 10, 2014
It's been couple of weeks since my last visit on gog but now I see the prices are in pounds. Why is that? :s
Cavalary
RIP GoodOldGOG:DRMfree,one price,goodies,community
Registered: May 2011
From Romania
Posted September 10, 2014
Matruchus
Don't ignore Tux
Registered: Jun 2011
From Slovenia
Posted September 10, 2014
Post edited September 10, 2014 by Matruchus
phandom
of the Opera
Registered: Aug 2012
From Greece
Posted September 11, 2014
The 8.5€ is brutto afaik and there are a lot of taxes here which will leave you only a part of it (depending on income it can eat up to nearly half of it) but it's only for businesses which have a similar minimum wage anyway (Tariflohn) and the brutally underpaid jobs are still not affected.
565€ netto as real minimum income wouldn't be bad, many people here get less and the new law doesn't change this at all.
As I said: It's a sick and cruel joke.
I totally agree on this : It's a sick and cruel joke.
AliensCrew
New User
Registered: Jun 2014
From Germany
Posted September 11, 2014
Since the past 6 years GOG grows and grows. But I think they have nearly reach their top which they get with classic games, flat prices and drm-free games. And stagnation is a setback.
By all their principles and noble purposes they are a company as well, which needs to make profit to exists. And even they grow constantly the past few years they are, compared to the big buisness rival Steam, a small light (as we say here in germany). When they go on the way they do before...they will probably vanished sooner or later. Their best chance to change things is to become equal strong or perhabs bigger than Steam one day.
On the other hand there are the publishers/devolpers who wants regional prices because they are greedy and/or they will be forced to do so by other online distributor platforms like Steam.
So, what should GOG do? They want to grow further, don't loose their customers but get new buyers as well. But where will these buyers will come from but from Steam? And why should they come to GOG if they buy on Steam for years and here are no newer games?
That is there the new (regional priced) games and the fair price package comes in. This feature not even "protects" us from regional prices (I mean those, who would suffer from it) but may also allure others to this platform (because they will spare money if they buy here - even if it is for buying additional games). If this little trick will function, GOG will get the market power to make changes. If they will do this when this time will come is not sure but that is also not impossible.
And it's a fact...if someone wants to change a common thing, he or she needs a great ammount of power to complete such a goal. We will see if GOG truely will stands for their principles when they get the power to do so or if they will betrayal us all.
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/newly_regionalpriced_games/post402
And the correct response to that is: errare humanum est, perseverare autem diabolicum
(served on a silver plate :D)
More seriously, your strangerly well timed lack of communication on some matter make people rightly believe you are hiding facts to make them pass without being noticed by most of the customers. And there's no rational reason to think otherwise. You shouldn't make big announcement only when you think they are good for you, you should do them even to expose the nasty things that happen behind the scene, otherwise that cannot be called trasparency and clearly you cannot expect people to trust you.
Your main points are shown with proud on the main page, and you are constantly attacking them with your decision (or decision you think you had to make). I think that even what you do that don't actually go toward the best interest of your customer base should be shown with the same relevance.
You don't like regional price as your customers? Then why don't work with them to better respect their interest?
Customers want to have all the information they need to choose when and where purchase.
Keep regional priced game, but create a badge of shame to put on them. Maybe even a different category or tag to easly filter them. And do that regardless of the user region: if the game doesn't have the same price everywhere, make people know. Let people know which publisher enforce this kind of price so they can remember their name in the future. It's not that you do harm to the publisher, you are only give your customers information: the harm comes from the publisher decision. Every time you hide this information the customers will make uninformed purchase and so that sale is not legit and that's your fault. You can easly correct that.
Also, if publishers don't want the badge of shame on their games, they can easly change the price to not regional ones, like most publisher do. Selling this games without wanting the badge of shame on them is just dishonest.
Also. If the issue are different currency that make publisher wanting to adapt them to other store counterpart, then better get rid of them. Different currency gives less benefits than harm at this point.
If store credits is the same as paying less for the customers, then why isn't GOG who pay the difference in the first place? Maybe because it isn't the same thing. If the customers keep buying game from GOG, it won't do much of a difference, in the end GOG will only lack the last difference amout.
I find the increasing number of regional priced games really suspicious. Games that didn't need regional pricing now have it. Games from publisher that didn't use regional pricing now have it. New game added to the calague now have regional prices. It seems that this didn't increase the bargain power of GOG in any way. It seems that the recent changes of GOG made it easier for publisher to get their demand satisfied.
Such a publisher who don't want this "badge of shame" will probably don't change his price. Instead he will remove the game from GOG's store...and eventually other games as well.
So tell us...what do you think shall GOG do now?
Post edited September 11, 2014 by AliensCrew
Klumpen0815
+91
Registered: Dec 2012
From Germany
Posted September 11, 2014
By all their principles and noble purposes they are a company as well, which needs to make profit to exists. And even they grow constantly the past few years they are, compared to the big buisness rival Steam, a small light (as we say here in germany). When they go on the way they do before...they will probably vanished sooner or later. Their best chance to change things is to become equal strong or perhabs bigger than Steam one day.
Post edited September 11, 2014 by Klumpen0815
TimAhKin
New User
Registered: Oct 2011
From United Kingdom
Posted September 11, 2014
I'm not from UK and not in UK at this moment. Good that you can change the currency.
AliensCrew
New User
Registered: Jun 2014
From Germany
Posted September 11, 2014
Now I have read that 40% of Steams sales volume came from Western Europe. And now I believe even more than before that it is those 40 % GOG has throw an eye on with their fair price package politics...
Matruchus
Don't ignore Tux
Registered: Jun 2011
From Slovenia
Posted September 11, 2014
Then this is a bug and you need to report that or you will probably be billed the same as british users but in USD.
MIK0
New User
Registered: Sep 2008
From Italy
Posted September 11, 2014
Since the past 6 years GOG grows and grows. But I think they have nearly reach their top which they get with classic games, flat prices and drm-free games. And stagnation is a setback.
By all their principles and noble purposes they are a company as well, which needs to make profit to exists. And even they grow constantly the past few years they are, compared to the big buisness rival Steam, a small light (as we say here in germany). When they go on the way they do before...they will probably vanished sooner or later. Their best chance to change things is to become equal strong or perhabs bigger than Steam one day.
On the other hand there are the publishers/devolpers who wants regional prices because they are greedy and/or they will be forced to do so by other online distributor platforms like Steam.
So, what should GOG do? They want to grow further, don't loose their customers but get new buyers as well. But where will these buyers will come from but from Steam? And why should they come to GOG if they buy on Steam for years and here are no newer games?
That is there the new (regional priced) games and the fair price package comes in. This feature not even "protects" us from regional prices (I mean those, who would suffer from it) but may also allure others to this platform (because they will spare money if they buy here - even if it is for buying additional games). If this little trick will function, GOG will get the market power to make changes. If they will do this when this time will come is not sure but that is also not impossible.
And it's a fact...if someone wants to change a common thing, he or she needs a great ammount of power to complete such a goal. We will see if GOG truely will stands for their principles when they get the power to do so or if they will betrayal us all.
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/newly_regionalpriced_games/post402
And the correct response to that is: errare humanum est, perseverare autem diabolicum
(served on a silver plate :D)
More seriously, your strangerly well timed lack of communication on some matter make people rightly believe you are hiding facts to make them pass without being noticed by most of the customers. And there's no rational reason to think otherwise. You shouldn't make big announcement only when you think they are good for you, you should do them even to expose the nasty things that happen behind the scene, otherwise that cannot be called trasparency and clearly you cannot expect people to trust you.
Your main points are shown with proud on the main page, and you are constantly attacking them with your decision (or decision you think you had to make). I think that even what you do that don't actually go toward the best interest of your customer base should be shown with the same relevance.
You don't like regional price as your customers? Then why don't work with them to better respect their interest?
Customers want to have all the information they need to choose when and where purchase.
Keep regional priced game, but create a badge of shame to put on them. Maybe even a different category or tag to easly filter them. And do that regardless of the user region: if the game doesn't have the same price everywhere, make people know. Let people know which publisher enforce this kind of price so they can remember their name in the future. It's not that you do harm to the publisher, you are only give your customers information: the harm comes from the publisher decision. Every time you hide this information the customers will make uninformed purchase and so that sale is not legit and that's your fault. You can easly correct that.
Also, if publishers don't want the badge of shame on their games, they can easly change the price to not regional ones, like most publisher do. Selling this games without wanting the badge of shame on them is just dishonest.
Also. If the issue are different currency that make publisher wanting to adapt them to other store counterpart, then better get rid of them. Different currency gives less benefits than harm at this point.
If store credits is the same as paying less for the customers, then why isn't GOG who pay the difference in the first place? Maybe because it isn't the same thing. If the customers keep buying game from GOG, it won't do much of a difference, in the end GOG will only lack the last difference amout.
I find the increasing number of regional priced games really suspicious. Games that didn't need regional pricing now have it. Games from publisher that didn't use regional pricing now have it. New game added to the calague now have regional prices. It seems that this didn't increase the bargain power of GOG in any way. It seems that the recent changes of GOG made it easier for publisher to get their demand satisfied.
Such a publisher who don't want this "badge of shame" will probably don't change his price. Instead he will remove the game from GOG's store...and eventually other games as well.
So tell us...what do you think shall GOG do now?
Your above response is correct, but in the same way it would be if instead of regional prices we have drm.
There are games that would be here on GOG if drm would be allowed. But they are not, and that's fine.
RWarehall
Ja'loja!
Registered: Jan 2012
From United States
Posted September 11, 2014
To be fair to GoG, if you actually have read the forums for the months prior to this change, there was a clamoring for first release games. There were many threads about the impending death of GoG if they would not change their policy in some way. People pointing out that there are a finite number of classic games, and eventually GoG would have to get new releases or die the way of the dinosaurs. From what I had read on these very forums prior to the first announcement for regional pricing, I would have thought regional pricing would have been welcomed for first run games.
Clearly this was not to be, but I wouldn't be surprised if GoG read it the same way I did. So before you just claim GoG did this to grub more money, consider that they might also have done this because they thought this is what the users wanted. And if some of the bestseller lists are true, then it might still be true as it appears many people are buying these games. Maybe those against are just a very vocal minority.
Personally, I generally stay away from first releases. My disgust with the typical too early release followed by a year of patches before it's mostly stable, followed by another year or two of DLC's and/or expansion packs, is one of the reasons I came to GoG. I wanted to play great but already complete games, download them once and its good. Regional pricing, I really don't like it, but as with most things, it's not all black and white. I'm glad to see more first-run games, wish they weren't regionally priced, but I'm not sure GoG would be better off without them.
Clearly this was not to be, but I wouldn't be surprised if GoG read it the same way I did. So before you just claim GoG did this to grub more money, consider that they might also have done this because they thought this is what the users wanted. And if some of the bestseller lists are true, then it might still be true as it appears many people are buying these games. Maybe those against are just a very vocal minority.
Personally, I generally stay away from first releases. My disgust with the typical too early release followed by a year of patches before it's mostly stable, followed by another year or two of DLC's and/or expansion packs, is one of the reasons I came to GoG. I wanted to play great but already complete games, download them once and its good. Regional pricing, I really don't like it, but as with most things, it's not all black and white. I'm glad to see more first-run games, wish they weren't regionally priced, but I'm not sure GoG would be better off without them.
Cavalary
RIP GoodOldGOG:DRMfree,one price,goodies,community
Registered: May 2011
From Romania
Posted September 11, 2014
Clearly this was not to be, but I wouldn't be surprised if GoG read it the same way I did. So before you just claim GoG did this to grub more money, consider that they might also have done this because they thought this is what the users wanted. And if some of the bestseller lists are true, then it might still be true as it appears many people are buying these games. Maybe those against are just a very vocal minority.
Personally, I generally stay away from first releases. My disgust with the typical too early release followed by a year of patches before it's mostly stable, followed by another year or two of DLC's and/or expansion packs, is one of the reasons I came to GoG. I wanted to play great but already complete games, download them once and its good. Regional pricing, I really don't like it, but as with most things, it's not all black and white. I'm glad to see more first-run games, wish they weren't regionally priced, but I'm not sure GoG would be better off without them.
The first group is necessary for momentary growth, but it's fickle, they'll move away the moment somebody else puts something that seems in some way better on the table. The second, on the other hand, may be smaller and will little growth potential but will stick around if the reasons why they got here in the first place remain.
And anyway, as they also keep saying, they started with one publisher and a couple dozen games, and that was after a long time of trying to get others to agree to DRM-free. And they're doing the same with movies now, saying the big studios don't dare be the first. So why's this any different?
And there will always be more older games, for the simple reason that nobody figured out how to freeze time yet.
And yeah, most of what I played tended to be in the 5-10 y/o range, but more recently it's going even in the 10+ y/o range. (Currently have one game installed that's only 3 y/o, but more bought (retail) to support the concept, barely touched it. Rest ranging from 5 to 27...) Why bother with overpriced and buggy, and possibly also incomplete, new stuff (that often requires a better computer than what I have anyway) when you can just wait for it when it'll be fixed, possibly with more content added as well, and available way cheaper? Not like there aren't a whole lot of games out there to play meanwhile...
Post edited September 11, 2014 by Cavalary