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Klumpen0815: Don't forget, that in Germany many people have to pay 80% of their income only for a very small appartment and public transportation.
That is what I meant about living costs. There will always people for whom the prices are unfair. Regardless of that the current regional pricing system in the game industry is just ridiculous...

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demonbox77: But that's point moonsineshadow, Matruchus is right.
Hmmm? I was agreeing with him, that is why I wrote that regional pricing just fixes some prices...
Post edited September 10, 2014 by moonshineshadow
Yes it's coming in 2015, but there are so many exceptions that it's completely ridiculous. When you look closer they created a minimum-wage for everyone that doesn't need one, because they already were on well-paid jobs before.
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PaterAlf: Yes it's coming in 2015, but there are so many exceptions that it's completely ridiculous. When you look closer they created a minimum-wage for everyone that doesn't need one, because they already were on well-paid jobs before.
Exactly, it's just a cruel joke.
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demonbox77: snip
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Klumpen0815: Don't forget, that in Germany many people have to pay 80% of their income only for a very small appartment and public transportation.
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/

my answer to this argument. ;)
Milan is as expensive as Frankfurth and more than Berlin
Post edited September 10, 2014 by demonbox77
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PaterAlf: Yes it's coming in 2015, but there are so many exceptions that it's completely ridiculous. When you look closer they created a minimum-wage for everyone that doesn't need one, because they already were on well-paid jobs before.
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Klumpen0815: Exactly, it's just a cruel joke.
Well we have a real minimal wage that applies to more or less all jobs (there are a few exceptions) - but it has brought us more bad effects then good ones. Before the implementation of the minimum wages you could get a permanent job now you can only get a time limited job with the most of one year employment but usualy its 3 months. The minimum wage helps those people that are already employed but it also means that we have more unemployed since the company's deem this minimum wage to be too high (I blaim ridicously hight taxes we have here). I understand the need for the minimum wage since its needed desperately but I have seen its bad effects and companies closing cause of it. And most of the time when im employed my wage is around the minimal wage but getting a job now is bordering on impossible here.
Post edited September 10, 2014 by Matruchus
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demonbox77: You like this standard or not, I personally don't, and I don't like GOG going down this path, but meh I'll adapt.
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Cavalary: And this is why publishers get away with it. You can "adapt" and just survive without leaving any trace of your presence, and allowing things to get worse as they usually do if unchecked, you can fail to adapt and be crushed, or you can stubbornly refuse to adapt and do your best to make others adapt to your demands instead. Sure seems to work for some, so why not for others as well?
Sorry for double posting, lost this one.
I agree, but except for using my money in different ways, and trying to explain everytime I can (almost got a band on Steam for a post like the one I did on the previous page here) these issues, I really don't know what else to do.
By adapt I meant this, I'll put my money where I think is worth it, and everyone should do it.
And as I mentioned in the other thread...regional pricing exits everywhere...not only in the gaming industry. Every good you buy (cars, gas, food, clothes and so on) are regional priced.

And GOG is the only company I know who don't let their customer suffer from which regulation.
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AliensCrew: And as I mentioned in the other thread...regional pricing exits everywhere...not only in the gaming industry. Every good you buy (cars, gas, food, clothes and so on) are regional priced.

And GOG is the only company I know who don't let their customer suffer from which regulation.
Cars, gas, food and clothes have costs for delivery and custom duties, while here we're speaking of digital goods, with NO delivery costs.
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demonbox77: Cars, gas, food and clothes have costs for delivery and custom duties, while here we're speaking of digital goods, with NO delivery costs.
Exactly - digital goods and physical goods can't be compared since there are no logistic, transport costs and duties to be paid (besides VAT).
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demonbox77: I agree, but except for using my money in different ways, and trying to explain everytime I can (almost got a band on Steam for a post like the one I did on the previous page here) these issues, I really don't know what else to do.
By adapt I meant this, I'll put my money where I think is worth it, and everyone should do it.
Ah, that's one thing then, obviously, "voting" with your wallet. Just that it has to be clearly stated why you don't buy something, because the lack of a sale otherwise doesn't in itself mean anything, billions of people will never purchase that thing either without a particular reason.

As for the greater discussion about fair regional pricing, I stated my take before: Those who make a game should determine the value they think it has, set that as standard price, they won't ask for more than that from anywhere, but inasmuch as their financial situation permits it they should set lower prices in poorer regions.
On top of that, has anyone in this business heard of competition? Because all of it is currently one huge price fixing mess, and I thought there were laws against that. I mean, if a publisher usually gets 70% of a sale, it means that for a $20 game they'd get $14. Well then, they should simply demand $14 / sale and leave the rest to each shop, not fix it to $20 (just talking of standard price, I mean). If one shop wants to sell it for $18 instead, that's just called competition, and if one wants to add some more stuff to it and sell it for $22, that's the same thing, and the customer will choose.
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demonbox77: I agree, but except for using my money in different ways, and trying to explain everytime I can (almost got a band on Steam for a post like the one I did on the previous page here) these issues, I really don't know what else to do.
By adapt I meant this, I'll put my money where I think is worth it, and everyone should do it.
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Cavalary: Ah, that's one thing then, obviously, "voting" with your wallet. Just that it has to be clearly stated why you don't buy something, because the lack of a sale otherwise doesn't in itself mean anything, billions of people will never purchase that thing either without a particular reason.
That's why I (again) openly state here, that I don't buy those games only because they are regionally priced, this even includes Wasteland 2!
Post edited September 10, 2014 by Klumpen0815
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AliensCrew: And as I mentioned in the other thread...regional pricing exits everywhere...not only in the gaming industry. Every good you buy (cars, gas, food, clothes and so on) are regional priced.

And GOG is the only company I know who don't let their customer suffer from which regulation.
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demonbox77: Cars, gas, food and clothes have costs for delivery and custom duties, while here we're speaking of digital goods, with NO delivery costs.
A car can be sold in US for 10.000$ and in Romania for 12.400$ (because of 24% VAT).
The same aplies for video games.
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demonbox77: Cars, gas, food and clothes have costs for delivery and custom duties, while here we're speaking of digital goods, with NO delivery costs.
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GabiMoro: A car can be sold in US for 10.000$ and in Romania for 12.400$ (because of 24% VAT).
The same aplies for video games.
A car is not a digital good, so even if there's a factory for that specific car in Romania, you still need the raw materials to craft it, and those have to be imported, for each and every single car, and even then you do not buy the car directly from the factory...
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AliensCrew: And as I mentioned in the other thread...regional pricing exits everywhere...not only in the gaming industry. Every good you buy (cars, gas, food, clothes and so on) are regional priced.

And GOG is the only company I know who don't let their customer suffer from which regulation.
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demonbox77: Cars, gas, food and clothes have costs for delivery and custom duties, while here we're speaking of digital goods, with NO delivery costs.
Sorry, but this is bullshit.

If a car, which was build IN germany cost here more than in China (for example), when that has nothing to do with transport cost etc. Before the eastern European expasion of the EU it was common that a german car was more expensive in germany than it was in Poland or Hungary etc.

And regional pricing takes also effects for non physical goods like the visit in a theatre or hotel. And man power.

To eliminate regional pricing the world needs one and only one currency.
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demonbox77: Cars, gas, food and clothes have costs for delivery and custom duties, while here we're speaking of digital goods, with NO delivery costs.
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AliensCrew: Sorry, but this is bullshit.

If a car, which was build IN germany cost here more than in China (for example), when that has nothing to do with transport cost etc. Before the eastern European expasion of the EU it was common that a german car was more expensive in germany than it was in Poland or Hungary etc.

And regional pricing takes also effects for non physical goods like the visit in a theatre or hotel. And man power.

To eliminate regional pricing the world needs one and only one currency.
No I really think you are wrong on this.

China isn't the best example, but again I dare you to buy your Mercedes/VW/BWM from China and then have it delivered to you in DE...

About theatres and hotels, does it cost you more booking a room/show online from DE than let's say book the same room/show online in the country it actually is?

Regional pricing is not wrong per se, is wrong in the way it's been handled by most online gaming platforms.

But I'll quit here,since i really like GOG, the point is if I want to buy Gabriel Knight from an online digital shop (like GoG) in Italy (or Germany) I'll have to pay 26.29$, instead of the 19,99$ of the States, the 10,89$ of Russia or the 19.79$ of Poland.
Vats, Exchange rate for currencies, delivery costs, custom duties and minimum/standard wages are a nice smokescreen, 'cause they are different also between Germany and Italy and still we pay the same price.