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Gremlion: Russia is really big. Boxed games never reach Siberia. Imagine $60 cost + like $100 more for aviamail,
Our internet is dire cheap (for example, I pay $5 for 10mbit, can get twice as much for 2 more), and there is no total control over it like in the country of "freedom".
Pirating games became a habit,
Now there appears circle of "Publishers don't translate games to Russian because there is no market" -> "Pirates translate game themselves" -> "Market filled, when game officially appears on Russia, niche is already filled" -> "Publishers think that there is no market".
That's a number of disparate factors not tied together well. We've already brought up the point that many other nations have equally bad, or worse, economies than Russia, yet only Russia gets the discount. And the piracy issue alone does not wash.

As a parallel example, there is a big "scanlation" movement where fans of manga scan and translate titles that aren't available in their country. Yet publishers often do eventually release the books there, and when they do, most fans buy them and the scanlation boards take down the free scans. Those fans understand that supporting the legitimate product puts money back into the hands of the creators, and shows the publishers that they want the products brought to their country.

Let me know when the majority of Russian game pirates start doing the same.

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Gremlion: Basically, only thing that forbids this - US and their control over media.
You've got one weak-ass nation if OUR media controls YOUR policy. All it does over here most of the time is make the average citizen stupider.

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Gremlion: And where US wants to see them? Obv, dead.
So it was our tanks that rolled over the border and our rockets that have killed all those Ukrainians, including civilians? I must not have noticed the stars-and-stripes on them.

One things I've learned from all this - some Russians are really good at backfilling the justification for their abhorrent acts. In one post you've tried to wash your hands of both piracy and military aggression, while trying to paint the Russians as the poor pitiful victims. And like all bullies, they cry foul when the tables are turned.
From MaGog's logs for 20 February:

* Regional price for Caribbean! in RU: $8.69 instead of $19.99
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mrkgnao: * Regional price for Caribbean! in RU: $8.69 instead of $19.99
Pirates ho! :)
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mrkgnao: * Regional price for Caribbean! in RU: $8.69 instead of $19.99
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IAmSinistar: Pirates ho! :)
Coming soon: DLC: Crimean!
Thank you, GOG, for your awesome regional prices, especially for Russian Federation. I purchased KB series. Massive assault series, Sunless Sea and Space Rangers HD. Now I am thinking what to buy: NEO Scavanger or Vangers? Or may be both? Yes, I shall purchase both games. Looking forward to see Warlock - Master of Arcane and Civilization 2 - Test of Time on GOG.com. Surely, with huge discount for Russland, as usual.
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mrkgnao: Coming soon: DLC: Crimean!
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Redfern: Its hard to believe. Average salary in most wealthy city (Moscow) is said to be 50000rub, its around 800$. With non existent local production, import around 70-80% overall (in high tech its 99%), with even less wage in other cities, inflation over 15%, constantly decreasing gold reserve, very unstable prices to oil, and ofc, unpredictable government, strange war in Ukraine, sanctions, decreasing investments, 10% budget sequester, international isolation, huge devaluation and so on so on so on its hard to see much countries in worse shape. Maybe little dark picture, but thats facts anyone interested in economics here know.
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IAmSinistar: Venezuela. Indonesia. Tanzania. Somalia. Even Greece in some parts. And that's not the full list of countries with more dire financial circumstances than Russia+. Yet ONLY Russia+ gets the discount. Do you have a depressed economy? Yes. Do other countries? Yes. So why is it that you alone deserve a discount?

And as for the military adventure in the Ukraine, that's all on you and your glorious leader. Probably a good part of the reason your economy is tanking, due to sanctions against your nation. And the blame rest squarely on Russia for that.
There is some difference. You see, that countries DO have stressed ecoonomics but basically dont have not money nor significant market. Russia have stressed economics but still have 140 millions of potential consumers and money left.
Believe or not, but Russia is still 1\6 of Earth. Its much harder to ignore then Tanzania and Venezuela.

As for Africa..ok, fine, i kinda not consider them at all. Just wait several years until we become africa too, then things will change.
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Gremlion: Мывсеумрём! Уменьшаются валютные резервы(скидывается доллар), золото прибавляется, нефть стабилизировалась, да и составляла она 9% от доходов бюджета, власть стабильна. Украина допрыгалась - 6 майданов за 20 лет, "долой воров" и поставили миллиардера, сколотившего состояние при воре. Поскольку востоку украины, грубо говоря, только карта столетней давности предписывает быть в незалежной, они послали Киев лесом. Поскольку евроинтеграция для заводов, производивших чипы для русских самолётов пятого поколения и авиадвигатели для вертолетов и ГПА означает смерть.

Из этих 15000 большая часть ипешки, существующие для попилинга и откатинга.
У нас после этого "кризиса" наконец-то вакансии на металлоообрабатывающем участке закрылись.
А, поцреот...ну-ну. Какое тебе дело до Украины? Это другое государство и пусть оно хоть растворится - до лампочки. Что вам вечно горит спасать весь мир, особенно если он того не просит? У себя в подьезде порядок устроить не пробовали?
Вот, млин, сил уже нет, прямо детектор какой-то - только начинаешь указывать объективные проблемы в России и сразу "а вот ан украине"...

А что до заводов - ну все понятно. "Заводы стоят!" Никакую иную форму кроме зводов по изготовлению металлических полуфабрикатов, которые наверняка идут на экспорт не воспринимаем?
Пожелал бы пойти накатить, да ночью же реклама алкогодя запрещена...
Post edited February 21, 2015 by Redfern
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IAmSinistar: As a parallel example, there is a big "scanlation" movement where fans of manga scan and translate titles that aren't available in their country. Yet publishers often do eventually release the books there, and when they do, most fans buy them and the scanlation boards take down the free scans. Those fans understand that supporting the legitimate product puts money back into the hands of the creators, and shows the publishers that they want the products brought to their country.
Actually you a re very wrong. Those scanlation not...taken down, really. they just became hidden. Even i know some sources where all that stuff still stored.
1) Once you upload and share thing you cannot surely delete them anymore.
2) USA is no whole world. Thing published in USA is not automatically published elsewhere
3) Translation work done. Do you want to trash your whole life results?
Oh no, it's one of those discussions.
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Urnoev: Oh no, it's one of those discussions.
Yeah... How about we focus on a recap and drawing some conclusions after exactly one year since the "good news" moment?
I think we can agree on regional pricing not being done right on GOG or any other popular online store. (and I doubt it will ever happen)
Hm? MaGog just split the countries that used to be included in RU from that region, listing them as unknown with no pricing info. Did something happen?

Meanwhile, split off the flat-priced games with regional pricing publishers/developers into its own thread. No longer including the regionally priced ones, so at the moment fits in one post even including the full list of companies, but that's a bit of a problem, since I was planning to split it in 3 posts, to leave room for the unavoidable growth, yet since it edited the first one when I posted the rest, that didn't work. Ah well, will split off companies at a later point I guess, then see.
Post edited February 21, 2015 by Cavalary
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Cavalary: Hm? MaGog just split the countries that used to be included in RU from that region, listing them as unknown with no pricing info. Did something happen?
Just woke up to see the change myself. Glad to see someone using my metrics.

Here is what I found.

MaGog checks region composition only once a week, so the change could have happened at any time since last Saturday. Specifically, it happened when the two editions of The Book of Unwritten Tales 2 were released. For some reason, the prices for these two games differ between Russia and the other nine countries, so MaGog split the ten countries into two regions (because a region is defined by all its countries having identical prices for all games).

The prices for Russia:
* Regional price for Book of Unwritten Tales 2, The in RU $8.69 instead of $34.99
* Regional price for Book of Unwritten Tales 2 Almanac Edition, The [Premium] in RU $11.69 instead of $44.99

The prices for the other nine countries:
* Regional price for Book of Unwritten Tales 2, The in UZ $18.99 instead of $34.99
* Regional price for Book of Unwritten Tales 2 Almanac Edition, The [Premium] in UZ $24.99 instead of $44.99
You will (or will not) notice that these are the Ukraine (UA) prices for these games.

For all the other 105 games regionally priced in Russia, the nine countries continue to follow Russia (RU), not Ukraine (UA).

I will be creating a new region for the nine countries (symbol: UZ), hopefully tomorrow.
Post edited February 21, 2015 by mrkgnao
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mrkgnao:
Was checking to link to it on that new thread, and say which table number I'm referring to :) May have checked while it was updating, because I got a read error (visible in source, I mean) while it was loading table 7 data the first time around.

So now the Russia+-discount has an exception too. This will complicate things a bit.
If this trend continues, we'll end up with just as many regions as there are countries in the world.