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IAmSinistar: Ah, and hence the nub of our disagreement. I'm talking in the here-and-now. :)
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Pheace: There's no nub there. Neither before nor after the back to our roots statement was it going to happen instantly, it was always going to happen later, so nothing was reversed.
Well I'm done talking about it if you're going to be inflexibly entrenched. But I consider their statement to be a reversal of intent, and until it actually appears here otherwise, will continue to take them at their word. For whatever reason you don't, so there's no merit in whatever point I bring up, despite that fact that we are both talking about future events that have not happened yet. Sorry for trying to be even-handed in the discussion.

EDIT: the inevitable typo
Post edited June 06, 2014 by IAmSinistar
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Pheace: There's no nub there. Neither before nor after the back to our roots statement was it going to happen instantly, it was always going to happen later, so nothing was reversed.
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IAmSinistar: Well I'm done talking about it if you're going to be inflexibly entrenched. But I consider their statement to be a reversal of intent, and until it actually appears here otherwise, will continue to take them at their word. For whatever reason you don't, so there's no merit in whatever point I bring up, despite that fact that we are both talking about future events that have not happened yet. Sorry for trying to be even-handed in the discussion.

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Inflexibly entrenched. Sure. You seem to think this is a matter of opinion. What you don't seem to understand is that 'Take them at their word' is exactly what I'm trying to explain to you. Their words in that Back to Our Roots manifesto are quite literally:

Three: We still intend to introduce the pricing in local currencies.
Post edited June 06, 2014 by Pheace
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Phinor: Witcher 3 PC version is being sold at an RRP of 49.99€ in Western Europe retail market, yet the price is 59.99€ on GOG.com. If you take the pre-purchase discount into account, it doesn't change things much because brick&mortar stores aren't sticking to that 49.99€ RRP price either, they are going well below that. Physical is cheaper than digital, as seems to be the case almost always when digital stores decide to use regional pricing.
I'm from Europe (Slovakia) and it doesn't cost 49,99€ here, it's priced everywhere at 39,99€, and at UK Amazon it's for £31.85. I have the price 39,99€ at GOG too, but with 20% discount it's only 31,99€. I think that these prices are very low in comparison with all the other new so called "AAA" games which are sold for 49,99 or 59,99€.
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MichiGen: I'm from Europe (Slovakia) and it doesn't cost 49,99€ here, it's priced everywhere at 39,99€, and at UK Amazon it's for £31.85. I have the price 39,99€ at GOG too, but with 20% discount it's only 31,99€. I think that these prices are very low in comparison with all the other new so called "AAA" games which are sold for 49,99 or 59,99€.
Non-digital retailers tend to drop below RRP to sell copies on release.

Western EU (EU1 on Steam) on GOG is €59.99, I imagine Eastern EU (EU2 on Steam) is €39.99, United Kingdom is 49.99 Pounds.
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Cyberfrog: Here TW3 is €60 without discounts (over $80). Come on guys, that's not the price of a PC game, not even a brand new one.

With Witcher 2 I recommended everyone buy from GOG to support the awesome people at CDPR. I'll be giving no such recommendation this time.
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Pheace: I'm confused. Witcher 2 was the first example of what you're seeing with Witcher 3 now. It was also regionally priced on here. The only difference is that they allowed you to set your own region for a while. (might be misremembering a couple of things
Yes, I was charged $44.99 USD for Witcher 2. As "regional" pricing goes, it was more than acceptable.
Acceptable depends what region you're in I assume. It will depend on the game as well.
Post edited June 06, 2014 by Pheace
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Trilarion: Seeing that the difference is again about 300% from region to region worldwide their commitment somehow doesn't has much effect, not even on themselves. The huge spread again is a bit disappointing.
Same feeling. I expected regional pricing on the Witcher 3, even before the announcement of "good news" ... But this is disproportionate. Why in hell would the cost of a digital download in EU1 be 10€ / 20% higher than the cost of a retail version in the same region, whereas retail copies already present a 35% spread between EU1 and US ? I think that, as far as I am concerned, buying this game will have to wait ( more so as It's far from clear that my computer will be able to run it at the level of quality I want )
Adding the latest, and hopefully last, regionally-priced game to the GOGmix.
Are you now billing in Euros for The Witcher 3 and Divinity: Original Sin, but still US dollars for Age of Wonders 3? Although I'm not interested in any of these games, I would like to pay in US Dollars. Also, I think I found a bug in the system - why putting The Witcher 3 or Divinity: Original Sin to cart redirects you straight to the order page? This does not happen in Age of Wonders 3's case.

For example, I could simply do these steps with Age of Wonders 3:
1. For security reasons, change password for a short period of time.
2. Use a Russian proxy server, login, add Age of Wonder 3 to cart and logout.
3. Login again without using a proxy and change password back.
4. Click on a cart - it should still show a price $19,99 (standard) or $24,99 (deluxe)
5. Checkout - Because now I'm browsing without a proxy server, playment will be safe.
6. Done. Regional pricing bypassed.

You should make it possible for both The WItcher 3 and Divinity: Original Sin.
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JamesBond007: You should make it possible for both The WItcher 3 and Divinity: Original Sin.
I think you're not supposed to be doing that in the first place. This isn't a moral opinion of mine, strictly speaking from a legal/policy angle.
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JamesBond007: ...snip...
2. Use a Russian proxy server, login, add Age of Wonder
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6. Done. Regional pricing bypassed.
Well, if you'd use American proxy server, indeed you would bypass regional pricing. In your example you're actually cheating not to pay fairly but to pay less than everyone (including what people would pay if there were no regional prices at all).

Will you buy game the cheapest this way? Yes. Will you make GOG or publishers not use regional pricing? No - actually the most likely thing to came out of it is that if enough people will be doing it, either publisher will try to force GOG to lock accounts "traveling" between regions or simply take away their games from GOG.

I'd understand you doing it if the store didn't give a flying f*** about this problem, but GOG is refunding customers paying more for locally priced games from their own pockets.
Post edited July 09, 2014 by d2t
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IAmSinistar: I think you're not supposed to be doing that in the first place. This isn't a moral opinion of mine, strictly speaking from a legal/policy angle.
I think it's (legally) the same thing as pirating the game: You get something that's not offered to you by the rights owner.

From a moral point of view: circumventing the regional pricing sucks and is worse than pirating the game. If you pirate the game, no one really cares. Everyone knows that pirates gonna pirate. But if you circumvent GOG's security measures, you're asking for a reaction. GOG will have to make their regional pricing system even more restrictive (they have to invest time and money) AND they'll have to explain the devs/publishers, why they've lost some money. This could affect their relationship and maybe even future releases.

Don't circumvent the regional pricing. You don't like the price? Don't buy the game. But don't do funny things to get a semi-legal license. And DON't post a "How to rip of GOG and devs/publishers" guide on the forums!
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real.geizterfahr: [...]

Don't circumvent the regional pricing. You don't like the price? Don't buy the game. But don't do funny things to get a semi-legal license. And DON't post a "How to rip of GOG and devs/publishers" guide on the forums!
Well, s/he's James Bond 007, so regular rules don't apply to him/ her? :-P

Couldn't resist. ;-)
Regional pricing could work on GOG, but it needs to be done differently.

For example, there is a game available in multiple languages, including English, Russian and other European languages. You could still bypass the regional pricing, but each region will have different available languages:
1. Russian version - the cheapest, but only in Russian.
2. American version, with standard price, but only in English.
3. European version - the most expensive, but will all available languages, includong Polish.

Because I don't speak Russian, first option is not for me. I could select the second option, but the third option has my native language. In other words - if you bypass the regional pricing and pay less, you'll get less.
Post edited July 09, 2014 by JamesBond007
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real.geizterfahr: snip
Well stated. I didn't want to weigh in morally because I don't feel up to it today. But you did a wonderful job of it.